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1561 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | BradK | 194454 | ||
Miller, Please stop being absurd! The burden of proof is on YOU to prove otherwise! If you still think there are prophets, then by all means provide the Forum with the appropriate scriptures to back it up. Otherwise, stop the speculation and "shoot-from-the-hip" conjecture! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1562 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | BradK | 194458 | ||
Hi Tim, Thanks for your perspective on this. I wouldn't disagree as to what these scriptures say. I acknowledge that there are no scriptures which say that spiritual gifts have ceased- or in this case the office of prophet has been done away. However, what I contend is based upon the 2 following verses: 1 Cor 13:8 - Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. Cor 13:13- But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love. Does not vs. 8 state that "if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away"? If so, doesn't this impact and negate the gift/role of prophet? I think so. In vs. 13 there are only 3 remaining- faith, hope , and love. Absent are prophecy, tongues and knowledge! Why only these 3? If prophecy is still in efect, why does Paul not mention them? I believe there is some grammatical support on this too! Additionally, I find little- if anything- in the rest of the Pauline Epistles that argue for the continuation of this office (other than Eph. 4:11). This has served to convince me that the cessationist view certainly more than not, holds merit:-) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1563 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | BradK | 194483 | ||
Hi Tim, As I view it, there is a transition happening during this period of Acts that coincides with the writing of 1 Corinthians. The gifts had not yet ended at the time Paul writes 1 Corinthians (obviously). Yet, in 13:8 he says that love (which is not a "sign" gift) "never fails". I believe the Greek verb 'pistei' translated can mean "become null and void". The overall characteristic God desires in the life of believers is love.(13:1,13) Other temporary gifts will be done away with, cease and end, but love is permanent! With respect to prophecies, Paul says, "They will be done away". The Greek noun 'propheteiai' used in this context, refers to one of the early gifts given to members of the Church (Rom. 12:6, 1 Cor. 12:10, 13:2). The gift enabled those to whom it was given to recall and speak via the Spirit to those in local assemblies (cf 14:22, Eph. 3:5). The person who had the gift of prophecy edified, exhorted and taught believers (14:3-4, 33). My point is this: Even though gifts of prophecies were very important for establishing the Church, Paul says, "they will be done away". The verb here translated "they will be done away" is in the future tense and passive voice, which means that God -who gave them - will remove (cancel, make null)them. With the completion of the Canon of Scripture, this gift was (and is) no longer necessary. So, the question as to exactly WHEN these gifts cease (or ceased) is answered.(Heb. 1:1-2) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1564 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | BradK | 194656 | ||
Miller, While we can all agree that Jesus has obviously not returned, the question is- to what does the coming of that which is perfect, completed and accomplished refer? There has been a great deal of speculation regarding the meaning of this verse. I've heard it refers to the completion of the NT Canon, Christ, and even Love. However, the noun which is rendered "perfect" in 13:10 is 'to telieon' (Gr.). In Greek grammar, the noun must agree in gender with that to which it refers. Since "perfect" is in the neuter gender, it must have a corresponding agreement to the object referred. 'Jesus' is in the masculine gender and would thereby not agree! Grammatically, that's probably not the answer! My best, reasoned asnwer is that no one really seems to know what the "perfect" is! "...But then I shall know even as I have been known" (Vs. 12) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1565 | Are there any true prophets/prophetss' t | Eph 4:11 | BradK | 194692 | ||
Wow, miller your ignorance of Greek grammar is only exceeded by your silliness! Stop playing games and stick with the the study of scripture. You do not know what you're saying! BradK |
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1566 | Prophets in the church | Eph 4:11 | BradK | 209791 | ||
Hello blood..., This is highly debatable in all honesty. If there are indeed prophets, then they must be 100 percent accurate 100 percent of the time! In Eph. 4:11, the word for prophet would carry the thought of a preacher expounding the Word-speaking forth- than it would as an actual office! "The gift of prophet seems to have been a temporary gift given by the Christ for the laying of the foundation of the church. Prophets were foundational to the church (Ephesians 2:20). The prophet proclaimed a message from the Lord to the early believers. Sometimes a prophet’s message was revelatory (new revelation and truth from God) and sometimes a prophet’s message was predictive (see Acts 11:28 and 21:10). The early Christians did not have the complete Bible. Some early Christians did not have access to any of the books of the New Testament. The New Testament prophets “filled the gap” by proclaiming God’s message to the people who would not have access to it otherwise. The last book of the New Testament (Revelation) was not completed until late in the first century. So, the Lord sent prophets to proclaimed God’s Word to His people. Are there true prophets today? If the purpose of a prophet was to reveal truth from God, why would we need prophets if we have the completed revelation from God in the Bible? If prophets were the “foundation” of the early church, are we still building the “foundation” today? Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others? Absolutely! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy? No." [Gotquestions.org] Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1567 | Prophets in the church | Eph 4:11 | BradK | 209802 | ||
Hello Nevvine, Thanks for your response. The focus of my reply was to imply that I choose to believe in the sufficiency of the Word of God, not "so-called" modern-day Prophets! I have confidence in what God's Word says (John 17:17)! However, I do not believe that any true Prophets exist today! Jude 1:3 implores us to "...contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints." Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1568 | Prophets in the church | Eph 4:11 | BradK | 209815 | ||
Hello Nevvine, Let me phrase my response, by asking 2 questions: 1. Who are the Prophets" since John the Baptist?; 2. What in the completed canon of scripture is lacking that would necessitate a Prophet? Beyond that, "what sayeth the scripture?" (Rom. 4:3) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1569 | Eph. 4:11 gifts applicable today? | Eph 4:12 | BradK | 173077 | ||
bro raymond, Were any of them with the Lord some 2000 years ago? Your diligence is noted but your conclusion is not only highly speculative, it is without foundation! Did you arrive at this conclusion on your own? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1570 | Eph. 4:11 gifts applicable today? | Eph 4:12 | BradK | 173084 | ||
dear bro raymond, The position you asserted ( I believe) was that Apostolic Succession is in order today. I disagree and do not think you've provided anything concrete from scripture to establish your position. Those who are "apostles" today are the ones I was referring to. 1. This is a public Forum (with guidelines), so expect that all of our views would be open to scrutiny (mine included); 2. Since you are the one making the assertion (or claim), the burden of proof is on you to establish it's validity; As I see it, the qualification for an apostle is one who was with the Lord and/or witnessed His resurrection (Acts 1:22). Paul saw the Lord and spent time with Him (1 Cor. 15:8, Gal. 1:12, 15-16). I trust that this will help to establish a fruitful dialog:-) BradK |
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1571 | Slain or knocked down | Eph 4:14 | BradK | 103989 | ||
khuck, I'm glad that I could be something of a voice of reason to you:-) I think being "weirded out" is probably an apt description of this type of phenomena. I can't tell you how common this practice is, but it does seem to be more prevalent in the Word of Faith (WOF)movement and their churches. If you tune in to TBN (which I only recommend with reservations), you'll see the likes of Benny Hinn, Juanita Bynum, Rod Parsley, et al all engaged in this practice- regularly! You are wise to be hesitant, sceptical, and indignant at this type of nonsense. God did not ask us to check our brains out at the door! We need to be mindful, discerning, and circumspect as believers ( 1 Thess. 5:21, 1 John 4:1) Sound doctrine in my mind implies Biblically patterned practices that are also founded upon historic Orthodoxy. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1572 | Pearls of Wisdom from the pen of bumpas5 | Eph 4:14 | BradK | 121769 | ||
Rowdy, FYI- you're not missing anything, my friend. This individual has had numerous aka's and has been repeatedly kicked off the Forum due to anti-biblical nonsense, etc. As said in the Wizard of OZ, "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain". Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1573 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | BradK | 154001 | ||
Hi ekletos, I'm still unclear as to your definition of "hermeticism." I see the definition of "hermetical" as: 1 often capitalized a : of or relating to the Gnostic writings or teachings arising in the first three centuries a.d. and attributed to Hermes Trismegistus b : relating to or characterized by occultism or abstruseness : recondite 2 [from the belief that Hermes Trismegistus invented a magic seal to keep vessels airtight] a : airtight (hermetic seal) b : impervious to external influence (trapped inside the hermetic military machine —Jack Newfield) c : recluse, solitary (leads a hermetic life) Biblically, I'm not making the connection. Could you elaborate? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1574 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | BradK | 154006 | ||
Hi eklektos, Yes, your definition does clear things up and I do better understand where you're coming from though I respectfully disagree with your conclusions:-). I do agree that we must define our terms in theological discussions. This is where many misunderstandings have occurred. Please feel free to check out my User info to get to better know me and where I'm coming from. Would love to have you include some background on yourself as well, should you feel so led. Good Chatting with you. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1575 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | BradK | 154179 | ||
Hi Hunting, I can appreciate your comments, and sense where you're coming from. I too would caution with the oft-misused text of Heb. 13:8. The text does not have anything to do with the perpetuity or cessation of particular spiritual gifts! The context of the passage needs to be rightly understood. God does not change- He is immutable. However, by taking the logic of this passage to the extreme, we'd still be under the Levitical law:-) Here are some points to ponder from A. W. Pink in his "Attributes of God" : "First, God is immutable in His essence. His nature and being are infinite, and so, subject to no mutations. There never was a time when He was not; there never will come a time when He shall cease to be. God has neither evolved, grown, nor improved. All that He is today, He has ever been, and ever will be. "I am the Lord, I change not" (Mal. 3:6) is His own unqualified affirmation. He cannot change for the better, for He is already perfect; and being perfect, He cannot change for the worse. Altogether unaffected by anything outside Himself, improvement or deterioration is impossible. He is perpetually the same. He only can say, "I am that I am" (Ex. 3:14). He is altogether uninfluenced by the flight of time. There is no wrinkle upon the brow of eternity. Therefore His power can never diminish nor His glory ever fade. Secondly, God is immutable in His attributes. Whatever the attributes of God were before the universe was called into existence, they are precisely the same now, and will remain so forever. Necessarily so; for they are the very perfections, the essential qualities of His being. Semper idem (always the same) is written across every one of them. His power is unabated, His wisdom undiminished, His holiness unsullied. The attributes of God can no more change than Deity can cease to be. His veracity is immutable, for His Word is "forever settled in heaven" (Ps. 119:89). His love is eternal: "I have loved thee with an everlasting love" (Jer. 31:3) and "Having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end" (John 13:1). His mercy ceases not, for it is "everlasting" (Ps. 100:5). Thirdly, God is immutable in His counsel. His will never varies. Perhaps some are ready to object that we ought to read the following: "And it repented the Lord that He had made man" (Gen. 6:6). Our first reply is, Then do the Scriptures contradict themselves? No, that cannot be. Numbers 23:19 is plain enough: "God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent." So also in 1 Samuel 15:19, "The strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for He is not a man, that He should repent." The explanation is very simple. When speaking of Himself. God frequently accommodates His language to our limited capacities. He describes Himself as clothed with bodily members, as eyes, ears, hands, etc. He speaks of Himself as "waking" (Ps. 78:65), as "rising early" (Jer. 7:13); yet He neither slumbers nor sleeps. When He institutes a change in His dealings with men, He describes His course of conduct as "repenting." Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1576 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | BradK | 154184 | ||
Hi javelin, Instead of just bashing, discarding, and dismissing "anti-tongues-type answers" as "junk theology with zero biblical basis", could you not demonstrate your point BIBLICALLY! That's a rather brash assertion. My friend, that is simply YOUR opinion. It is proper protocol on this Forum to make your case by providing a biblical basis for your point. You'd also be wise to realize that there is legitimate disagreement among good, evangelical, Bible-believing Christians on the matter of Spiritual gifts. This matter certainly carries a high degree of emotionalism on both sides. However, I think it prudent to ultimately allow others- myself included- to agree to disagree agreeably on this matter:-) By the way, you quote the Mark 16:17. (Which is all-too-often overused as a proof-text) I think it reasonable to ask, did you purposely leave out verse 18? If so why? By the same measure of "faith" that you proclaim, do YOU also pick up serpents, drink deadly poison, and lay hands on the sick and they recover? Those "signs" are all in the same context... Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1577 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | BradK | 154187 | ||
Hi Javelin, Cool it down, my friend. No need to rant. Please don't hear what I'm not saying. There is no need to put words in my mouth either! First off, I'm not trying to attack you, pick a fight or otherwise debate you. What gives you that impression? I asked what I thought are very reasonable questions seeking clarification. You offer nothing but YOUR opinions and conjecture. It appears to me you didn't take time to read what I really said. Second, all I asked for was scriptural support for your position. You didn't give any and you still haven't. There is a huge difference between an opinion and a scripturally founded position. The burden of proof is on you, javelin. Third, don't be so melodramatic! It serves no purpose. If you wish to discuss these matters, please do so in a more calm, deliberate manner. I'd be happy to respond. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1578 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | BradK | 154388 | ||
Hi Hunting, I generally do not respond to such rebuttals, as I'm not one to seek argument for the sake of argument! But, I feel some correction is in order if I may. You apparently didn't catch the harsh tone in javelins' remarks? I was merely pointing out such. That doesn't mean I haven't received the Holy Spirit- I have. According to 1 Cor. 12:13 we ALL have if we're believers. You obviously misunderstood what I said or glossed over it. I'm not sure how you could make the remarks you did otherwise:-) Simply because one does not see eye-to-eye on matters of the Spiritual gifts does not make one "in the flesh"! My questions back to you- in love- are these: 1. You said "Verses are not overused or abused, etc. When I hear those phrases coming out of people, I know they are speaking from their flesh, not from the Spirit." How do you know? Scripture says otherwise. Look at 2 Pet. 3:16, "...as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction." So, you're saying that verses cannot be taken out of context and otherwise be "misused" or "abused"? 2. You admit to not being a theologian or scholar. That's fine, I'm not either, and I'm certainly not calling you anything less, but is it possible you might be mistaken? When you come to "learn", you must be open to views that don't necessarily agree with yours. They're called presuppositions. We all have them, myself included. There is a great deal to be said about "agreeing to disagree, agreeably"! In my estimation and in my Christian "experience", it's one sign of spiritual maturity! The bottom line is this: There's plenty of room for disagreement on these non-essential matters (Rom. 14:1). We have far more to agree on doctrinally than we with which to disagree. However, when someone wants to take cheap, unfounded pot-shots at those who simply disagree with them, I'll stand up to correct 'em every time. I hope that makes sense, at that you'll take these comments in love from someone who's been around the Forum awhile. Many other "javelins" have come and gone. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1579 | tongues | Eph 4:14 | BradK | 154389 | ||
Hi Hunting, I generally do not respond to such rebuttals, as I'm not one to seek argument for the sake of argument! But, I feel some correction is in order if I may. You apparently didn't catch the harsh tone in javelins' remarks? I was merely pointing out such. That doesn't mean I haven't received the Holy Spirit- I have. According to 1 Cor. 12:13 we ALL have if we're believers. You obviously misunderstood what I said or glossed over it. I'm not sure how you could make the remarks you did otherwise:-) Simply because one does not see eye-to-eye on matters of the Spiritual gifts does not make one "in the flesh"! My questions back to you- in love- are these: 1. You said "Verses are not overused or abused, etc. When I hear those phrases coming out of people, I know they are speaking from their flesh, not from the Spirit." How do you know? Scripture says otherwise. Look at 2 Pet. 3:16, "...as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction." So, you're saying that verses cannot be taken out of context and otherwise be "misused" or "abused"? 2. You admit to not being a theologian or scholar. That's fine, I'm not either, and I'm certainly not calling you anything less, but is it possible you might be mistaken? When you come to "learn", you must be open to views that don't necessarily agree with yours. They're called presuppositions. We all have them, myself included. There is a great deal to be said about "agreeing to disagree, agreeably"! In my estimation and in my Christian "experience", it's one sign of spiritual maturity! The bottom line is this: There's plenty of room for disagreement on these non-essential matters (Rom. 14:1). We have far more to agree on doctrinally than we with which to disagree. However, when someone wants to take cheap, unfounded pot-shots at those who simply disagree with them, I'll stand up to correct 'em every time. I hope that makes sense, at that you'll take these comments in love from someone who's been around the Forum awhile. Many other "javelins" have come and gone. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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1580 | Free Masonry | Eph 4:14 | BradK | 232155 | ||
Free Masonry: One of the major issues with Free Masonry is Theologically, the denial of Christian truth and blaspheming God! In our theological analysis and elsewhere (Secret Teachings, chapters 5-16) we have seen that Masonry: (1) denies the deity of Christ, (2) rejects the nature of God, (3) denies salvation by grace and teaches salvation by works, (4) distorts the Scriptures;34 (reinterprets the Bible to teach the "truths" of Masonry), (5) replaces allegiance to God with allegiance to Masonry, (6) contains contradictory theology, and 7) blasphemes God. All these are characteristic of allegedly "biblical" cults. What these characteristics represent are (1) a rejection of God’s interests and (2) a corruption of the Church. The late Dr. Walter Martin, an acknowledged authority on comparative religion and cultism, observed: "I think there is a motivation in Masonry as there is in the entire cultic structure that we study in The Kingdom of the Cults. "Human nature is perfectible by an intensive process of purification and initiation." That is the Masonic initiation. Good works is the pathway to salvation in all pagan religions and the pathway to justification…. What we are dealing with in Masonry is a non-Christian cult with a lot of very nice people in it who are very sincere and very dedicated but very mistaken. In the words of Scripture, "There is a way that seems right unto a man but the end thereof are the ways of death." |
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