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NASB | Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?" |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty (subtle, skilled in deceit) than any living creature of the field which the LORD God had made. And the serpent (Satan) said to the woman, "Can it really be that God has said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?" [Rev 12:9-11] |
Bible Question:
My mother-in-law (Roman Catholic) believes that in the story of the fall, the forbidden fruit represents intercourse between Adam and Eve. She says that original sin and the fall of man wouldn't have occurred just by "eating some fruit". I told her man's fall occurred because they disobeyed God, by eating the fruit. I couldn't convince her, I told her that there was nothing in the text that would indicate that the fruit represented anything other than the fruit. She apparently learned this in Catholic grade school 50 years ago. Does anyone else hold to this view? Am I right to read this story literally? Emmaus - I tried to check the Catechism, but couldn't find anything in there (but I'm not that good at finding my way through that beast), do you know if this is Catholic doctrine? Thanks, reilly |
Bible Answer: Serpent Seed Doctrine Murray teaches, Eve and Adam had sex with Satan; Satan being the fruit, the tree, and the snake, in that story. Eve got pregnant with Satan's son and with Adam's son. Cain and Abel were twins; but Cain was Satan's son. (Tape #436) NOW where is that in Scripture? How would this be possible if they were twins? They would both be Satan's sons. Was Adam Satan? Because this is what he would have to be, as Scripture states in Gen.4:1-2 “ Adam knew his wife” (it was not Satan) and Cain was conceived. Both children are called Adam's offspring. Even the Lord calls them brothers in v.9, but not twins. When Eve bore Cain she said he was from the Lord, not Satan. She bore again this time his brother, they were not twins. The Hebrew language does not allow for this in the word “brother”, as well as the construct of her bearing twice. Clearly the implication is she conceived and then bore again. Murray interprets this as Eve having sex with Satan first, then with Adam. The Bible teaches that Adam had sex with his wife after the fall not before, and both Cain and Abel are called Adam's offspring. This conception of Cain took place after Adam and Eve are put out of the garden, one has to do some juggling to try and connect this to the encounter with Satan at the tree. I have heard from Murray’s followers that everyone knows that Cain and Abel were from two different fathers from Eve, as if this is common knowledge and Biblical teaching. This they call fraternal twins; Cain is from the Serpent (Satan), and Abel from Adam. Besides the Biblical evidence is completely silent on this incredible revelation, science refutes it as well. Fraternal twins is somewhat common with animals and has occurred in humans but it is extremely rare. Fraternal twins may be of the same sex or consist of a brother and a sister. But to be accurate it is not fraternal twins that they are describing, but heteropaternal superfecundation. This occurs when two eggs are fertilized by different fathers. This can happen when a woman releases more than one egg having intercourse with more than one man in a short time span. This is recorded in 1810 by John Archer, the first doctor to receive a medical degree in the United States and discussed in Williams Obstetrics (1980). As a matter of fact there are 7 recorded cases, 6 are not mentioning another man as the father except for one possibility, which is not proven. Heteropaternal superfecundation has only recently been proven to be a possibility with DNA testing. It also is reported that fertility drugs played a part in many of the newer cases. The percentage of this is extremely rare estimated to be .0000000015 percent; using these figures in the population it is nine in 6 billion. I say all this only to be fair with those who have brought up this point. Nonetheless it is not a biblical possibility because the Bible already told us who begot whom. So this explanation is not relative to the biblical text. Another point to consider in the arguments for this unique doctrine is the DNA of the serpent, which does not line up with that of a Human and cannot be used to fertilize a human egg. So the argument they put forth on this is also mute. Besides it is impossible that a snake could copulate with a human being, which would have to be the case since Satan used him for the temptation. The serpent was real not a symbol, as he was called one of God’s creatures in the garden, it would be ridiculous to call it a symbol and have God curse it (Gen.2:14). It is later we see the serpent is used symbolically for Satan referring back to this first event. The followers of Murray refuse to see what the Scripture is actually saying. The Scripture leaves no room to think that Satan was the father of Cain through the Serpent. Because it specifically states it was Adam that was the father for both Abel and Cain. If he is not the father of Cain, then he is not the father of Abel either! Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth. Since Adam knew his wife and conceived Seth, no one contests that it would be anyone else but Adam. Why do they contest the same language used for Cain. It becomes clear that it was Adam who was the Father of Cain. The same words and intent are used for both. (Gen.4:17 also uses the same phrase, as Cain knew his wife and she conceived.) This word (knew), in its context means intimacy and is used consistently throughout the Scripture for sex. All the Bible translations agree. (NIV) Gen. 4:1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man.” (ASV) “And the man (Adam) knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man with the help of Jehovah.” Part 1 |