Bible Question: Where did people go before the death of Jesus? Did they go to heaven or where? |
Bible Answer: Dear Liveright, We need to read the referenced Scriptures supplied by our brother in post 146891 and possibly clarify to see if they say in context what the Scriptures are actually stating. ref: 632 - "proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.[cf 1Peter 3:18-19]". This Scripture has been wrested to suit a purpose. - It has to do with those that were in the pre-flood era. Because the rest of the thought in this Scripture is in the next verse, (1Pet 3:20), that either by convienence to sway opinion or by oversite, has been left out, which is, "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." This is talking about the souls that Noah preached to while he was building the ark. And this has been upheld by the some of the most learned of theologians of our times. (Clarke, Barnes, Henry, Gill, Wesley, Augustine). Space here does not permit to detail all their treatises. But there are some modern preachers that don't agree with these tested men. ref: 633 - "because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.[cf Phil 2:10;Acts 2:24; Rev 1:18; Eph 4:9; Pss 6:8; 88:11-13]" Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; - nothing to do with 'deprived of the vision of God'. Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. - nothing to do with 'deprived of the vision of God'. Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. - nothing to do with 'deprived of the vision of God'. Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? - nothing to do with 'deprived of the vision of God'. Psa 6:8 Depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity; for the LORD hath heard the voice of my weeping. - nothing to do with 'deprived of the vision of God'. Psa 88:11-13 "Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction? Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness? But unto thee have I cried, O LORD; and in the morning shall my prayer prevent thee." - nothing to do with 'deprived of the vision of God'. ref: 633 - Pss 88:49 does not exist.(should be 89:49) 1Sam 29 :19 does not exist.(should be 28:19) Eze 32:17-32 has to do with Egypt and her wicked. Luke 16:22 "was carried by the angels" - The Jews held the opinion that the spirits of the righteous were conveyed by angels to heaven at their death. Our Saviour speaks in accordance with this opinion; and as he expressly affirms the fact. And angels are ministering spirits sent forth to minister to those who are heirs of salvation (Heb 1:14), and there is no more improbability in the supposition that they attend departing spirits to heaven, than that they attend them while on earth. ref: 634 - 1Peter 4:6 - The sense is as representing the true attitude of the Church in every age, expecting Christ at any moment, says, The Judge is ready to judge the quick and dead - the dead, I say, for they, too, in their lifetime, have had the Gospel preached to them, that so they might be judged at last in the same way as those living now (and those who shall be so when Christ shall come), namely, “men in the flesh,” and that they might, having escaped condemnation by embracing the Gospel so preached, live unto God in the spirit. For Peter is plainly referring only to those within reach of the Gospel, or who might have known God through His ministers in Old and New Testament times. ref: 635 - This is true taken in the correct context. The referenced [487] is a little reaching and is actualy [488] Ancient Homily for Holy Saturday: PG 43, 440A, 452C; LH, Holy Saturday, OR. As Jesus said in John 19:30, "It is finished", the work of man's redemption and salvation is now completed, a full satisfaction is made to the justice of God, a fatal blow given to the power of Satan, a fountain of grace opened that shall flow forever, a foundation of peace and happiness laid that shall never fail. He has executed the great designs of the Almighty - He has satisfied the demands of His justice - He has accomplished all that was written in the prophets, and suffered the utmost malice of His enemies; and now the way to the Holy of Holies is made manifest through His blood. A glorious finish. Amen. - Oh, wait I have to preach to the dead yet. I don't think so. If you would like to read all of Article 5, it is available here: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a5p1.htm May His Spirit guide you,(1 Cor 2:4-16) terrib |
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