Subject: Hank - Diet ??? |
Bible Note: Steve: Ok the golves are coming off now - just kidding. I appreciate the comments, this is how we both grow in knowledge and confidence in what we believe scriptural truth is. This truth must come from God since He is Truth without imperfection or contradiction. A few points on your last note: 1) Jesus is the one who added Math. 15:20 by inspiration to the writer. I fully agree with you that Jesus is relating back to the original question AND that question that the scribes were raising is the context of the entire passage of Math. 15:1-20. Ok so you want confirmation that the entire context of the text is in relation to uncleanliness by unwashed hands. I will stick with Math. 15. After verse 2 he condems the pharisees and the next verse to talk about food is vs. 11 in which He says "not what goes into the mouth but what comes out defiles a man". So you want me to believe that Jesus went from - the context of the pharisees judging the disciples for not washing their hands therefore defiling the food they were about to eat - to now Jesus in vs. 11 saying the "food" that now goes into the mouth encompases every kind of clean and unclean piece of meat. This is just blatent "adding to text" which you accused me of. I believe you are Peter's vision is an exact example of this - where man adds that God cleansed all food but the only interpretation Peter gives for his vision is that all man (gentiles) are clean and not to be called unclean. Another IMPORTANT point is that Peter is the one one in Math. 15 who asks Jesus to explain the parable (vs.15). So Steve explain to me how in the world Peter after being told by Jesus in Math. 15 (according to your view) that all meats are now clean and good to eat - Peter later after Jesus is resurected that this same God/Jesus tells Peter in the vision on his roof to eat the unclean animals but Peter refuses and no record shows that he did even though God ask three times. Does this not appear to be a huge contradiction to your overall view of God CHANGING His knowlegde of what is good for us to eat and what is not. 2) Regarding Mark 7:19 - sorry I used the word cleansed - it says "thus purifying all foods". Ok I do not know exactly where you were going with this point but I will give you my thoughts here. Prior to the "food" entering the body it was "considered" unclean by the pharisees because the disciples did not wash their hands. Note: the "food" was told to be bread. But anyway I strongly believe that if the food was a kind of meat then it would have been a "clean" piece of meat like lamb since the disciples knew the law of God regarding what not to eat so that they do not defile their body (the temple of God). So when that unclean piece of food (due to unwashed hands) enters the body it is purified by the stomach. So the few germs or whatever that made it unclean by the dirty hands would be killed by the wonderful system God made for us. I do not think Jesus is telling us to be unclean people since in the OT he clearly set standards for cleanliness for the OT Israel people. But Jesus is definetely not condonning eating swine (Isaiah 65:4) God is UNCHANGING !!!! So I do believe the text says that the food will be purified by the stomach. That is exactly what it says. Look forward to more discussions, see some of my other notes on other controversial issues, Merv |