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Bible Question:  We have to take Ex 4:11 literally and your conclusion to the literal meaning is exactly the point I'm trying to make. God is sovereign and we have no idea how his plan/actions combine and effect the whole scheme of things.

Evil is not necessarily what we as humans always perceive it to be. Evil by definition is anything contrary to God.

Architect builds a building and people live in it everything is great. Then one day a man decides to commit suicide and plunges from the building. Do we say the architect created an evil building. No we say the man that jumped made a bad decision.

God didn’t create evil He just gave us the choice, to follow Him or not. If we chose not to, then it is us that is creating the evil.

The philosophical will respond that God by giving us the choice did by default create evil. And I guess in that sense we would have to say He did. But to have us "Free willed" beings that had a choice it was necessary.

However God never uses that evil to cause us to stumble. We view things evil that may not be. For instance a handicap at child birth. Ex 4:11 and John 9:3 both seem to say God has people born with handicaps, which seems very unfair when judged in the perspective of our physical life span. However when viewed in light of eternity handicaps may be advantages. Citing the example Charis gave of how a handicap has humbled him. We know humility carries additional rewards in eternity.

We have to hold tight to Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.


Bible Answer:  I do not believe that God gave us free will. Free will is the motivating power that drives sin.

If God gave to man, namely Adam and Eve and all prodigy after, freewill to choose, surely freewill must be another name for disobedience of God's command and law. There is no mention in scripture that man has been given freewill to do what he likes; in fact just the opposite is the case. God didn't say, you can choose to obey or not, He gave an ultimatum, if you don't obey you will die. There is no choice in that, it is a command, and was the first and only law that God implemented. It is the spiritual law. If one sees disobeying God as freewill, then obviously we have an awful lot of freewill sinners. For not only is freewill another name for disobeying God, but is also another name for sin.

If one obeys, this first law God implemented for man, one has no need of any other laws, outside of that initial law. This law in the Garden was the first great law Jesus spoke of; to love God with all your heart, and have no other god's you obey; freewill makes a mockery of obedience, for it is another god which we obey, the god of self which is at enmity with God. For we are all carnal sold under sin. (Romans 7:14)

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Therefore, because the pair in the Garden did not keep God's law, they were of a carnal mind, which is at enmity with God.

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 Did God create evil? (?)
  Cephas
 God created everything good.  The angels...
  Searcher56
 How did evil arise? (?)
  Cephas
 Dear Cephas, Lucifer (Satan) is the firs...
  charis
 I have no ulterior motive other than to ...
  Cephas
 You want to know the truth and need to k...
  Radioman
 Why do you continue to ask? (?)
  charis
 Actually I haven't asked my pastor and ...
  Cephas
 Cephas: I don't think the *objections* ...
  kalos
 Dear Cephas, If all you can conclude thu...
  charis
 I've jumped in in the middle of this co...
  orthodoxy
 Dear orthodoxy, Welcome to the forum. I ...
  charis
 What about Ex. 4:11 does that apply? (?)
  EdB
 Dear EdB, I have looked at Exodus 4:11, ...
  charis
 Isn't God sovereign? (?)
  EdB
 I do not believe that God gave us free w...
  bartay
 Bartay, forgive me I used what I thought...
  EdB
 Hi EdB,  I think the example you site...
  Lionstrong
 Exactly! Let God reign! I think of the...
  EdB
 Thank you for jumping in.I think your re...
  Cephas
 Cephas, you say you are a genuine seeker...
  Hank
 can catholics be saved (?)
  Y2J SwFl
 Dear Y2J SwFl, Greetings in the name ...
  charis
 Hi Cephas, The Lucifer explanation do...
  Lionstrong
 Did God create evil? The answer is no! E...
  Elijah
 In the beginning was the Word, and the W...
  forrest
 Thanks for your answer(s).
  Radioman
 In the beginning was the Word, and the W...
  forrest
 Thank you for your answers.
  Radioman
 It is considered poor Internet etiquette...
  Radioman
 Cephas: Question: Did God create evil? ...
  kalos
 Boy! Cephas, you have taken a lot of hea...
  EdB
 My son has a computer game in which some...
  Cephas
 Evil equals sin? If Lucifer has choice a...
  charley
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  SSprln
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  Cephas
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  emil
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  Makarios
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  Makarios
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  prayon
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  Grace
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