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NASB | 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord! [John 14:3; 1 Cor 15:52; 2 Cor 5:8; Phil 1:23; Col 3:4] |
Subject: where is the rapture? |
Bible Note: Doc - I really struggle with preaching a pre-trib "rapture" of the church. Although I lean toward a pre-wrath "snatch" - I'm not going to go to the mat here. I believe that this reference supports a pre-millenial rapture of the Church. Also, v 15 refers to His coming - what coming? Since He came once - to die, the next time must be the second. Lastly, Acts 1:11 informs us that He will descend the same way He ascended. He ascended into heaven and a cloud received Him (Acts 1:9)- which would eventually conceal Him from their sight, so shouldn't we also expect to see Him revealed through the clouds as He descends? I think 1 Thess 4:17 echos this well. My 2 cents. I hope I haven't stirred the pot too much here. Blessings, mommapbs |