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NASB | Colossians 3:9 Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Colossians 3:9 Do not lie to one another, for you have stripped off the old self with its evil practices, |
Subject: is it ok to lie in certain cases |
Bible Note: Bowler, “Both had their actions approved by God and that included lying, although the scriptures do not say that God condoned that particular part. But since there was never going to be plan B, then God ordained that they would lie, whether that was a sin or not, to save some lives that were central to God's plan…” Really?! You seek to justify lying but your reasoning falls short. Why? Because it contradicts God’s laws! God ordained that we not lie! How could you possibly even think that a holy God would ordain the very thing His law prohibits? I am amazed at such a statement! Surely there is a great need for us to be mindful of who He is. Are you really advocating that God’s plan was dependent on a lie? Wow! You said “I am not saying God condones sin”. Well, you did this very thing when you say He ordained it. You said “I would say to you that you are right God's laws are never limited and they are absolute. But by the same token whatever He decides will happen are righteous and holy decisions that may include all kinds of things that His laws state are not righteous and holy - He never contradicts the law because He is perfect.” Then how is it you reason He ordained they would lie? I’m not sure you even understand your own argument. Your heart tells you that He is a holy God, perfect in all His ways which we are clearly taught in Scripture. But you reason like a fallen man! I’m guilty of this too so don’t take the statement the wrong way. My intentions in our discussion are not to condemn and I know first hand the struggle of understanding His ways. But I have to ask, are you even thinking your way through before commenting? You ask the question, “why would you assume that God would be pleased that you stood on Biblical principle and refused to lie as if that were a better good than saving a life just to save a life by lying?” Because the biblical principles are those of God. They are His laws not mankind’s to rank and to implement as he sees fit to suit his own needs and understanding. Now, let me ask you why would you assume God would accept and/or condone the disobeying of His laws to fulfill the requirements of another? Does this question help you see the fallacy in your argument? In your comments about Anne Frank, what lie of omission are you talking about? You said “Question; why would you assume that God would be pleased that you stood on Biblical principle and refused to lie as if that were a better good than saving a life just to save a life by lying? Which one is worse lying, or being complicit in murder? That reminds me of a certain group of people that believed you could not do anything on the Sabbath because it was one of the Ten Commandment sins, as is lying, but Jesus said to them, "which one of you would not break the law to save the life of his live stock if it fell down the well?" to paraphrase that is the jist of what He meant. I think that says it all right there. I think we should be willing to consider that there are higher goods and acts than law keeping and preservation of somebody elses life might be one of them.” I do not assume God would be pleased that I stood on biblical principles and refused to lie as if that were a better good then saving a life. The assumption is with you not me! What needs to be understood is that both are sinful, God does not expect nor condone we do either one nor does he present us with the option of choosing one over the other. It is the fallacy in fallen men to think he has to lie to save the life. It is the fallacy in the hearts and minds of fallen men who also misunderstand and misrepresent God’s laws. Case in point, the paraphrase you gave is not what the scripture teaches so let’s be careful how we approach the word to bolster our position. Matthew 12:11-12 (NASB) 11 And He said to them, "What man is there among you who has a sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 "How much more valuable then is a man than a sheep! So then, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." Note the Lord says in verse 12, it is LAWFUL to do good on the Sabbath. You on the other hand present it as the breaking of the law which in fact is the same thing those who set out to trap the Lord was doing. Can you see the error? He did not break one law for what you would call a better good. There is no “better good” in breaking any law! Steve |