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NASB | Ephesians 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 1:13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God]. [John 7:39; Acts 2:33] |
Bible Question: In acts 2:4 the baptism of the Holy Spirit did it pass away with the disciples or is it for us today. I am talking about speaking in Tongues. If you believe it passed away give scripture to support your answer. |
Bible Answer: Dear dscott1, This has been a very hot topic around here lately on various posts, but I will not get into how to go about looking up all those post right now. I will leave that for someone else to do who like pointing people to posts as a answer (no offense anyone please, go ahead and give this person the numbers for the threads, I don't have time to look them all up). Ephesians 1:13 In Him, you also, alfter listening to the message of the truth, the gosepl of your salvation - having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. This verse according to Paul means that as soon as you believe you receive the Holy Spirit. This is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and it happens at the momentof belief. Let's take Mark 16:17 - These signs will accompany those who have believed; in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues. This passage is in brackets because there is a discrepancy as to whether or not it actually belongs in the NT at all according to the translators. I however believe in the essence of what the passage is saying as elements of it can be found to be said of Jesus elsewhere and this text does not contradict the whole counsel of scripture, rather it falls in line with it, which is why the translator keep leaving it in. I believe it is safe to say that all of these things did happen in Acts except the part about being poisoned. Okay, now lets' deal with Acts. Acts has been used for a very long time to uphold the belief that when one believes in Jesus there is to be a baptism of the Holy Spirit that is evidenced solely by the speaking in tongues because of the history of pneumatic infusion in Acts. However there are other schools of thought about how the Holy Spirit give evidence of Himself in the believer. There is also a discrepancy to whether or not He necessarily must give a visible evidence of any kind that He is in the believer at or near the moment of belief. Jesus sent the disciples to witness to groups of people as a commission in Acts. In Acts you will find that four groups of people received the visible sign of speaking in tongues when the apostles either preached to them, and or laid hands on them after preaching to them. In fact there were groups of people that got preached to who did not receive the Holy Spirit until the apostles showed up to do this very thing - like those who heard Philip and were baptized, yet did not yet have the Holy Spirit. The four groups are the Jews in 2 who were of the promises, the Samaritans in 8 who believed in the right God the wrong way, the Gentiles in 10 who needed to hear about who God truly was, those who only had the repentance and baptism of John in 19. Each of these four groups had to be brought into the body of Christ by the apostles and when each of thes four groups got brought in the evidence came that had received the Holy Spirit by the speaking of tongues. After Acts you do not see this same sort of activity pervasively happening because all the types of people that there are on the earth that could be brought into the body of Christ fit into these four groups and are all ready included as a group in the body of Christ, this is true even today. Either you are a Jew, or you believe in the right God the wrong way, or you are a Gentile, or you have only repented of sins and been baptized in water but you have not believed in the Christ and recieved the Holy Spirit at the moment of belief with or without evidence. There is not one group or indvidual today that would not fit in one of these four groups just as it was true then. There are instances in Acts like at the end of 2 where it does not say that there was evidence of tongues just becuase they now believed. Does not Paul say in I Corinthians 12 that not all have tongues do they, etc., but one and the same Spirit distributes the gifts severaly as He will and we are all baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ, but not all have the same function. How then is it that tongues is the only or primary evidence that one has received the Holy Spirit when according to Paul it is not? I do not find scriptural support for the belief that the gift has passed away any where in the Bible, nor do I find any evidence in the Bible that any other gift has passed away except being an apsotle. Paul states clearly that he is the very last apostle. This is not a popular belief amonsgt confessig Evangelicals because so many of the charismatice gifts have abused and misused and misrepresented in the churches. This does not mean that these gifts don't exist for real, it means that they have misused. God's Day To you and welcome Minister dscott1, God's Day To You, Tamara |
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