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NASB | Ephesians 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 1:11 In Him also we have received an inheritance [a destiny--we were claimed by God as His own], having been predestined (chosen, appointed beforehand) according to the purpose of Him who works everything in agreement with the counsel and design of His will, |
Subject: Heaven or hell predetermined? |
Bible Note: Hi again Brad In your first post ( 223112 ) you made a statement. "Ephesians does speak of us (believers) being chosen" You made this statement as a point of fact, or absolute truth, without any room for any possible error, and that anybody reading them would automatically come to the same conclusion as you have, then using Eph.1:4,5 as your proof. I am asking for nothing more than what your understanding of these verses are, and why you believe the posting of them would speak so profoundly, that they would give me a full understanding of how you have come to the conclusion you have, causing you, to make your statement as you did. In order for any meaningful discussion to take place, I needed to know where you were coming from, therefore I asked what I thought to be a reasonable question, your interpretation of these verses, so I could fully understand your thoughts. The short time I have been part of this forum, I have come to the conclusion, it is upon the person making statements, to fully expound on them, by stating their beliefs, and why, using scripture in support of said beliefs, not just by making a statement, and posting scripture without any explanation. If these two scriptures you posted, were so straightforward in meaning, being self explanatory, I would not have had no need to ask for your interpretation of them. You have come to a conclusion about them, and I am curious as to what your thoughts on them are. I could not possibly come to your point of view, unless I know in advance, just what that point of view is can I? Grace be unto you lightedsteps |