Prior Book | Prior Chapter | Prior Verse | Next Verse | Next Chapter | Next Book | Viewing NASB and Amplified 2015 | |
NASB | Romans 9:10 And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 9:10 And not only that, but this too: Rebekah conceived twin sons by one man [under the same circumstances], by our father Isaac; |
Subject: Jacob and Esau |
Bible Note: Joe: What conclusion is Paul coming to here? Is he stating that we have no choice in the issue of whether or not we are saved? I agree with you that God's choice is not controlled in any way by man. That is definitely made clear! But I also believe that the basis of Israel's rejection is her unbelief, not God's choice. Joe, this takes us all the way back to "square one" again.. You have won a victory though! After reading your responses to Romans 9:10-15, I can now see clearly just where you are coming from in the "Reformed perspective". I could actually find this view as 'attactive' since it directly coincides with my view on eternal security. (My view is- if you are saved, then you are eternally secure. If you become an apostate, then you were never really saved to begin with.) However, my "root" differences regarding the Reformed perspective are: 1) the Blood of Christ. 2) The "invitation" that God gives to the entire human race. 3) A loving God predestining a person to hell. I'm sorry Joe, but I have gotten off the subject here again! It is beyond my comprehension or understanding to explain away the sovereignty of God from my point of view.. The only thing that I see as "ironclad" here is: I have been saved by Jesus Christ by asking Him into my heart and being my Savior forever! --Nolan |