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NASB | Romans 9:10 And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 9:10 And not only that, but this too: Rebekah conceived twin sons by one man [under the same circumstances], by our father Isaac; |
Subject: Jacob and Esau |
Bible Note: Greetings Joe! Sure! Now "all" means "all." :-) I agree with you again that Open Theism is not an option. But, I also view the choices that nations and individuals must make in response to God as real choices. So, in answer to your questions. 1) Yes He knew if they would repent or not! 2) He knew it timelessly. 3) Because they had to make the choice. God's timeless knowledge of an event does not determine said event. So, He gives Israel, and other nations, a choice. They have to decide what they are going to do. Concerning the vessels of wrath and 9:19-20, allow me to address these in my post on that section tomorrow. I don't want to have type everything twice. Concerning the plural, I would agree that the vessels also have reference to individuals, in the sense the nations are made up of invidiuals. My point though is that Rom. 9 isn't primarily concerned with individuals. There is some cross over though. For instance, as an individual we can become a part of the Spiritual Israel by accepting Christ. Hopefully, my post on this section of Romans tomorrow will address some of your points. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |