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NASB | Romans 3:4 May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar, as it is written, "THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS, AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 3:4 Certainly not! Let God be found true [as He will be], though every person be found a liar, just as it is written [in Scripture], "THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS, AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED [by sinful men]." [Ps 51:4] |
Subject: Jehovah's Witnesses in a Nutshell |
Bible Note: Getting Jehovah's Witnesses to understand the "Trinity": There should be no problems understanding the Trinity 1. Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost the third. Each of these three persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten -- just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded ( before he existed,) but he is of the same age of the other two. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now, the above is paraphrasing, of course. Is the summation correct? But let me restate in other ways: So, the Father is God, and the Son is God and the Holy Ghost is God, and these three Gods make one God.? Perhaps it is better understood mathematically? a) Addition: two plus one and you have one. Each one is equal to himself and to the other two. b) Multiplication: one X one equals three, and three X one equals one. c) Subtraction: and if we take two from three, three are left. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But maybe it’s not as clear as it could be. Let’s just look at the official creed: “One is the person of the Father; another is the person of the Son, and another is the person of the Holy Ghost. Now the Godhead of the Father, and the Godhead of the Son, and the Godhead of the Holy Ghost is all one.” (Note: everyone knows what a “Godhead” is, so no need to explain it.) “All three are in glory equal, and in majesty coeternal. The Father is untreated, the Son is untreated, the Holy Ghost is untreated.” “The Father is incomprehensible, the Son is incomprehensible, the Holy Ghost is incomprehensible.” (Maybe this is the reason we know so much about the whole thing after 2000 years?) “Now, the Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, the Holy Ghost is eternal, but yet there are not three eternals, only one eternal. Also, there are not three untreated, nor three incomprehensible but only one untreated, only one incomprehensible.” “In the same vein, the Father is almighty, the Son is almighty, and the Holy Ghost is almighty. Yet there are not three almighties, only one Almighty. So, the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Ghost is God, and yet there are not three Gods, but just one God.” The Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, the Holy Ghost is Lord, yet there are not three Lords, but only one Lord. It is forbidden to think or say that there are three Gods or three Lords. The Father is made of no one, not created or begotten. The Son is from the Father alone, not made or created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is from the Father and the Son, not made nor begotten, but proceeding Let’s see if I can sum it all up: In this Trinity there is nothing before or afterward, nothing greater or less, but the whole three persons are co-eternal with one another, and co-equal, so that in all things the unity is to be worshiped in Trinity, and the Trinity worshiped in unity. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- And for everlasting Salvation: Now I have to believe AND confess that Jesus is the Son of God, and he is both God and man. I must believe that Jesus is “of the substance of his Father begotten before the world began.” And not only that, I must then believe that Jesus is the substance of his mother (this one’s easy) born into the world as Perfect God and Perfect man, and “the rational soul in human flesh, subsisting equal to the Father according to his Godhead (Godhead, again), but less than the Father according to his manhood, who being both God and man is not two but one, one not by conversion of God into flesh, but by the taking of the manhood into God.” I must believe all this in order to be have Everlasting Salvation. “. It must be believed by the saved person that One altogether, not by a confusion of substance by unity of person, for as the rational soul and the flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ, who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead, ascended into heaven, where he sits at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty, and He shall come to Judge the living and the dead. And there you have it! Any Questions? Treadway...good thoughts....:) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |