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NASB Acts 4:24 And when they heard this, they lifted their voices to God with one accord and said, "O Lord, it is You who MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AND THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM,
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Acts 4:24 And when they heard it, they raised their voices together to God and said, "O Sovereign Lord [having complete power and authority], it is You who MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AND THE SEA, AND EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THEM, [Ex 20:11; Ps 146:6]
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Subject:  Is God in absolut contrl over all things

Bible Note:  A Different View Point 2 ...........................................
Now let’s look at your second point. You said, “The POSSIBILITY of imperfection would exist because the final outcome would bear the mark of imperfect creatures. “
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I am not clear on your reasoning here. You seem to be saying that allowing humans to have any impact in the universe contrary to the will of God could cause the possibility of an imperfect final outcome. Please allow me to repeat another analogy that I shared previously on this forum. It is possible for a being to allow limited freedom within a system while still being in control of the final outcome. For instance, in our town their is a store where everything costs 1 dollar. Now a parent could go to that store and lay a dollar bill on the counter and then tell their kid to go pick out any on thing in the store and the money on the counter will pay for it. The kid then actually does have freedom to choose whatever they want, but the parent’s “prophecy” will still come true when they bring it up to be paid for and the dollar bill is already there. This is an example of a time when a subject can be given both the FREEDOM and the ABILITY to make a choice while at the same time some future things will not change.
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Once again, I would like to reiterate that I am not trying to convince you that Calvinism is wrong. My purpose is to show you that Arminianism COULD be correct without taking away the fact that God is in supreme control. So in the analogy, a Calvinist would say that the child would only choose something in the store that the parent DIDN”T like unless the parent changed the child’s heart (in which case they would only choose something in the store that the parent DID like). An Arminian would say that the child would be ABLE to choose EITHER one, but that the parent would give the child a hint that they would like the child to choose one specific thing. My point is that either one of these views COULD be correct, and the final outcome would still be the same. Regardless of what choice is made, or even if there is a real choice being made, the parents “prophecy” is perfectly correct.


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  John Reformed
 Clarification continued ...................
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  Hank
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  Hank
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