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NASB | John 9:24 ¶ So a second time they called the man who had been blind, and said to him, "Give glory to God; we know that this man is a sinner." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 9:24 ¶ So a second time they called the man who had been [born] blind, and said to him, "Give God glory and praise [for your sight]! We know this Man [Jesus] is a sinner [separated from God]." |
Subject: Do you yet say that Jesus was just a man |
Bible Note: Hello Stokey 1) You've done a nice job of proving the deity of the pre-incarnate Christ, except for verse 6. You ignore that the verse says Jesus existed in the form of God. A good definition of humility is found in Romans 12:3 (ESV) For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned. Jesus, being very God, could not think more highly of himself because he had all glory, and as God, all glory was due to him. He emptied himself of that glory to be born and put on flesh. 2) Or consider Romans 9:5 (ESV) To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. This translation expressly states that Jesus is the one, true God. But rather than debate translations, let's look at content. Paul is simply stating that the Christ was born of Israel and that God should be praised for it. It does not infer that God is above Jesus. 3) No, Jesus has the preeminence because he was, is, and always will be the one, true God. 4) Well, you've just ruined your previous argument. By your reasoning then, Jesus was merely appointed the Son of God, and then according to Rom 1:4 only at his resurrection. But earlier you said he was a son before his incarnation. 5) Grasping at straws, are we? 6) Let me help with a different translation of Proverbs 8:22 (ESV) "The Lord possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old." It's true that LXX has "created" for "possessed," but one cannot build a theology via a single manuscript. The idea of "possessed" is "fathered," thus demonstrating the eternal sonship of Jesus. And you are correct that Jesus is unique. He was God who willing put on humanity for us. Steve |