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NASB | John 9:24 ¶ So a second time they called the man who had been blind, and said to him, "Give glory to God; we know that this man is a sinner." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 9:24 ¶ So a second time they called the man who had been [born] blind, and said to him, "Give God glory and praise [for your sight]! We know this Man [Jesus] is a sinner [separated from God]." |
Bible Question:
Dear Stokeyhk, I'd like to pursue a different line of reasoning. I think we would both agree that the Bible teaches that there is only one God. The Lord of the OT is Jehovah. For support lets look at Isaiah 43:11, "I am the Lord (Jehovah), and there is no savior besides me." Also, we have Isaiah 45:19-21. In vs. 21 we read,..."there is no other God besides Me, a righteous God and a Savior, there is none except Me..." So, could we agree that the OT scripture clearly teaches that there is but one God,(Jehovah) and that He is the only savior? When we come to the book of Titus, we have a rather interesting dilemma. I'll list the phrases in the verses from the NASB. Titus 1:3 ..."God our SAVIOR,..." 1:4 ... God the Father and Christ Jesus our SAVIOR." 2:10 ..."God our SAVIOR"... 2:11 ..."For the grace of God has appeared, bringing SALVATION to all men,"... 2:13 ..."our great God and SAVIOR, Christ Jesus,"... 3:4 ... "the kindness of God our SAVIOR"... 3:6 ... "through Jesus Christ our SAVIOR,"... Hopefully, these verse will suffice to show that both God, AND Jesus Christ are referred to and called SAVIOR! If there is only one God and only one Savior, then who is Jesus Christ? He is both referred to as God and savior. You have an inexplicable dilemma based upon scripture itself.There must be an acknowledgement that Jesus Christ is in fact God. No amount of scripture twisting can show otherwise. What saith the scripture? Speaking the Truth In Love, BradK |
Bible Answer: Does everyone else in the forum agree that "OT scripture clearly teaches that there is but one God, Jehovah"? So, does this mean you don't believe the Trinity is taught in the OT? Isaiah 43:11: "I-I am Jehovah, and beside me there is no savior." Consider the context. Verse 3: "I am Jehovah you God, the Holy One of Israel your Savior." Verse 5-7: "Bring my sons from far off, and my daughters from the extremity of the earth, everyone that is called by my name." Verse 9: "Let national groups be gathered together. Who is there among them that can tell this? Or can they cause us to hear even the first things? Let them furnish their witnesses." Verse 10: "'You [Israel] are my witnesses,' is the utterance of Jehovah." So no salvation was to be found for Israel from any of these "national groups." Judges 3:9 says: "The LORD [Jehovah] raised up a saviour to the children of Israel, who delivered them, even Othniel." Isaiah 19:20: "[The LORD (Jehovah)] shall send them a saviour, a great one." Nehemiah 9:27: "[Jehovah] gavest them saviours, who saved them." From these it can be seen that Jehovah is the Source of true salvation, and he does so by raising up individual saviours. Were these individuals God? Was Othniel God? Of course not! Now let's turn to Titus. But before we do, let's see it in the light of Jude 25, NIV, which says: "To the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord." So God saves by raising up Jesus. (John 3:16) Yes, both Jehovah and Jesus are saviors, just as Jehovah and Othniel were saviors. This agrees with Acts 13:23: "God raised up for Israel a Savior-Jesus." So, in the context of Isaiah 43, God was the only Source of salvation for Israel. That has always remained true. There is no other Source of salvation. From what source did the savior Jesus come? Acts 13:23 makes it clear. So when we get the complete picture form the scriptures, its not "inexplicable." By the way, just in case someone wants to equate Jehovah with Jesus using Titus 2:13, the Greek reads "of savior" and the New American Bible, for example, correctly translates it as "of the great God and of our Savior Christ Jesus." Stokey. |