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NASB | John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 1:1 In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. [Gen 1:1; Is 9:6] |
Subject: Is Jesus the same God as God, or a God? |
Bible Note: Dear Colt45, Something is missing here in your understanding of all of what the word Logos means... It does mean what you say, but it also means something more important from the Strong's concordance; it means the Divine Expression, that is the Divine Expression of God Himself. This is why the other posts which were given to you from Colossians is important... You said in your second post; God, however you want to define him was born as a human being Jesus the Christ. The Creator/God the Father/YHWH put his mind his thoughts into a human being. This is the objection to your point up there; God did not put His mind His thoughts into Jesus Christ the human. Christ who is also fully God along with the Father, and who according to John 1:1,2 was there in the beginning with God and was also God, put His own God nature, Jesus put His own thoughts and mind into the body of a human by His own free choice as part of the Father's plan. Where it says in Colossians 1:16 that Jesus created all things, the universe, the authorities in heaven, and all things have been created by Him and for Him and through Him, that means He is equal with God the Father, they share the same powers the same abilities. But important to remember is that Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are three distinct separate persons who each have their own thoughts, or mind, as in the Holy Spirit searches the mind of God to know what the will of God is, but all of them together are one being. Therefore it is not possible that God gave Jesus Christ the human God's thoughts, whether you are saying God the Father or Jesus the God, as God giving Jesus Christ the human His thoughts the concept is incorrect. God did not infuse a human with His thoughts, God incarnated Himself, put flesh on God as a covering. Hear this saying and understand; God put on humanity and humanity put on the divine. God did not infuse humanity with His thoughts, He put on human flesh on top of being God, that is why the Bible says that Jesus is God in the flesh among men. Jesus as God never stepped down from being God for even one moment of time, He never diminished His powers as God, He chose not to operate His powers fully as God in the flesh. This is called the Doctrine of the Impeccability of Christ. You may have meant something a little different from what you wrote when you said that the creator became a human being etc, and that His mind His thoughts became Christ. Christ means Messiah and Jesus as a member of the sovereign God head, the trinity, who has always existed from eternity past into eternity future was always going to become the Christ on earth. The Messiah was always going to be Jesus from eternity past to eternity future, there is no point in time, in eternity at which Jesus became the Christ, He has always been the Christ. Do you see now how Jesus who is the Logos, which also by the way meant to the Greeks all knowledge in the whole universe, and also which also means the cause, is the Divine Expression of God in the flesh? This is why John says in John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. This is what is meant by the Divine Expression, which is actually the first meaning given in the Strong's for the word Logos. God's Day To You, Tamara |