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NASB Luke 2:5 in order to register along with Mary, who was engaged to him, and was with child.
AMPLIFIED 2015 Luke 2:5 in order to register with Mary, who was betrothed to him, and was with child. [Matt 1:18-25]
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Bible Question:  Doc, I think you misunderstood my reference to a "dramatic addition?" I do not deem any portion of Scripture to be a "dramatic addition." Rather what I question as being a "dramatic addition" is the idea of Mary arriving in Bethlehem on the very night when Jesus was born. This is an extrabiblical interpretation -- albeit a very popular one.

Luke 2:5-6 states simply that Mary was pregnant ("with child") when Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem. They also say that Jesus was born "while they were there" -- indicating some time during their stay rather than immediately upon arrival.

Matthew 2:11 states that the magi visited in a house (not a stable), and Matthew 2:16 states that Herod had all boys killed in Bethlehem "from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the magi." This indicates the magis' visit to Bethlehem and departure were likely nearly 2 years after Jesus' birth -- after they had begun living in a house.

In addition, Matthew 2:22-23 also teach that Joseph's reason for returning to Nazareth of Galilee rather than Bethlehem of Judea as a home was because of the fear of Herod's son Archelaus finding them in Bethlehem. They had apparently resettled in Bethlehem after the census -- and would have apparently been expected to settle there upon their return if not for Joseph's concern for their safety from Herod Archelaus.

It seems to me that the amount of time from Joseph and Mary's departure (after marriage but perhaps prior to any outward signs of pregnancy) until the time of their arrival back in Nazareth was sufficient for people not to be aware of any oddity regarding the time of their marriage and Jesus' age upon their return from Egypt.

In addition, any relatives living in Bethlehem when they arrived simply knew that they were married and that Mary was pregnant and had her first child while there.

Finally, I don't see any reference to "dubious parentage" (based on out-of-wedlock conception) whatsoever in John 6:42. It seems to me the clearest reading of John 6:42 is the exact opposite -- that everyone assumed Joseph to be Jesus' natural father as the husband of Mary and were puzzled by Jesus' claim to have come supernaturally from heaven. There is no suggestion in John 6:42 of out-of-wedlock conception -- which would be expected from any detractors if the timing of conception (prior to marriage) were public knowledge.

Bible Answer:  I see in the Amplified the description of Mary's condition as "about to become a mother." What level of connotation does this word carry that is translated simply "with child" in the NAS but "about to become a mother" in the Amplified? Does it definitely mean something beyond "pregnant" -- requiring a translation of "about to deliver her child" or something like that? Or is it possible that this can refer to a woman in her 2nd trimester?

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 When did Joseph and Mary go to Bethlehem (?)
  Brent Douglass
 Dear Brent, You deem portions of Scri...
  DocTrinsograce
 The "dramatic addition" is extrabiblical (?)
  Brent Douglass
 I see in the Amplified the description o...
  Brent Douglass
 Greetings BD and Merry Christmas, Your ...
  CDBJ
 Merry Christmas CD,  I'm definitely fa...
  Brent Douglass
 Greetings, Taking into consideration al...
  CDBJ
 Hi, Brent... I don't ever recall thi...
  DocTrinsograce
 Hi Doc, Thanks for the insight regard...
  Brent Douglass
 In John 8:41, those Jesus is confronting...
  MJH
 Thanks, MJH. This was very helpful. You ...
  Brent Douglass
 Mary and Joseph (?)
  Aileen




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