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NASB | Matthew 18:14 "So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Matthew 18:14 "So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones be lost. |
Subject: Proof against election. |
Bible Note: Shalom aleichem, baruch haba! I am a Jew, saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. I am saved by works... indeed, I am saved by mighty and wonderful works... the works of God Himself. Consequently, I am quite grateful, praising God daily that He did not leave me to my own choices. If He had, I would never have been saved! The Greek word pororidzo (predestine) appears in six verses in the New Testament (Romans 8:29, 30; 1 Corinthians 2:7; Ephesians 1:5, and 11). If you are interested in God's sovereign providence, then you would want to understand these verses in their context. Each of these verses speak to your soteriological question. I am sorry that you have been "dismissed" as you tried "discussing this subject with them." Presumably by "them" you mean orthodox Biblical Christians. I cannot speak to their motivation. I would guess that it has to do with their being simply fed up with people who are more interested in defending their contribution to salvation than they are in the Word. The Scriptures do not elevate man's will above God's. However, not a single religion outside of these doctrines or even outside of Christianity, will admit to God's authority in all things. This is because, as Scripture assures us, that depending on the human heart will lead us only to being deceived (Jeremiah 17:9; Proverbs 28:25). In fact, the Word tells us that those who do so fundamentally lack sanity (Ecclesiastes 9:3b). Regardless, your problem is not a matter of failing to rightly understand the doctrine of God's predestination. It is more fundamental than that. When you argue about soteriological predestination, it is like arguing about Trigonometry when you still do not agree with the principle of addition and subtraction. Instead of trying to get people to argue the subject with you on the Internet, I would suggest that you find a pastor in your area with whom you could begin a discussion. He will help you with the basics concerning Scripture. Look for a church who hold to a confession (e.g., Lutheran Missouri Synod, Reformed Church of America, Dutch Reformed, Orthodox Presbyterian, or Reformed Baptist). The confession is what they understand to be the essential doctrines. Those without a confession will -- and do -- believe anything and everything. They will even place some things as having a higher authority than the Scripture. The pastor that you speak to will be able to articulate all historical perspectives. He will be able to help you in a far more practical way than we might do -- which is, actually, beyond our purview. Meanwhile, our forum, per our gracious host, the Lockman Foundation, is about Scripture. The Lockman Foundation sponsored the NASB and Amplified translations specifically because they believed that the Bible alone contains all that we must know to believe, to understand, and to obey our Lord. See the Terms of Use. The Terms of Use give us broad permission to express what we understand from Scripture; provided they are consistent with the eccumenical creeds: Apostles Creed, Nicene Creed, Chalcedonian Creed, and Canons of the Council of Orange. While we all hold the Scriptures as the highest authority, we are functioning in accord with Lockman's objectives. Although some who participate in our forum hold their denominational praxis as having a higher priority than anything else (you will see them by their operation contrary to the Terms of Use) -- nonetheless, the rest of us will be praying for you specifically as you seriously seek answers to your questions in study in the church in your community. God will always respond when He is sought above all else. In Him, Doc |
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