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Subject: Heb. 6:4-6 Security |
Bible Note: Hi Beja Your thoughts on Spurgeon's sermon, "I was hoping for more on how this fits into the context. I am not saying he is wrong or right, but due to the great contention over this passage I was hoping he would make his case stronger." my answer Are you saying that based solely on the fact Spurgeon did not make a stronger case by bringing it back to the context of the entire passage you cannot accept his interpretation as correct? As you have stated there is great contention over this passage. Has anyone else made a better case by doing those things you say? your thoughts "Basically I think if one was to debate the issue and argue his view two things would need to be established in light of what he said." 1. First it would need to be established that the notion of unshakeable salvation was so imbedded into the author and reader's thinking, that they would have understood an impossible situation was being discussed as Spurgeon is suggesting. There is no such assertion in the text. The only way you can put it there is to consider it "a given." my answer It is hard for us to understand the beliefs held by those of the first church. We do not have the benefit of hearing firsthand what the Apostles taught. If the assertion you are referring to is missing. Was it Spurgeon or the Author of Hebrews that failed to make this assertion? 1) It must have been the author because "There is no such assertion in the text" then there must have been the "GIVEN" in the authors mind. Is that then what Spurgeon has seen which would then account for his lack of connecting it to the context of the passage in which it appears. Because it is a truth an understanding that would stand on its own merit. Therefore it became an interjection by the author in his teaching to a people that new these things. Question Does a truth of God that has not been connected to the overall context of the book or chapter in which it appears cease to be a truth? We need to understand and remember these books were written to churches that didn't have the canon of scripture that we possess today. They didn't have the benefit of understanding how things are to be read in context and in light of other scripture. Therefore did they have a better or different understanding of the reality of salvation than we do today? Where these things we need weren't needed by them. We only have what has been written and the interpretations of those teachings. We on the other hand have what could be called denominational doctrines. These doctrines can be arrived at when reading exactly the same piece of scripture but coming to opposing doctrines. 1Co 1:12,13 12) Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13) Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 1Co 3:3,4 3) For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4) For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Because of the differences in our beliefs today are we not yet carnal? What have we lost? What I am saying is there are truths to be found in the bible that we will never be able to come to or believe in or avail ourselves of because our doctrinal beliefs have shut the door to those truths. If it is a contextual issue on your part then doesn't chapter 10 satisfy that? Your brother Lightedsteps |