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81 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87684 | ||
Tim Thanks, it's good to be here. I've enjoyed this forum immensely so far. Regarding the majority of the proof-texts that you gave in support of an indefinite/universal atonement: I'm not sure how any of these verses support your view. Could you please explain them to me as you understand them? Regarding the WILL TO SAVE ALL verses you listed: again, I don't see how you can come to those conclusions in light of their own context, let alone the entirety of Scripture. Surely you've debated this issue many times here so if you choose not to I totally understand. I will leave you with this though. John 6:35-45 is what I believe to be the clearest, most explicit teaching about the particular extent of the atonement. Couple that with the intercessory prayer of Jesus in John 17 and the Book of Hebrews and you have a very formidible task in disproving that the precious, cleansing blood of Christ was ineffective on anyone. Ultimately, that is what universal atonement advocates are forced to believe. Sincerely in Christ, JibbyJee |
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82 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87634 | ||
Greetings again, Hank! Perhaps you've misunderstood me or maybe my tone was a bit too straightforward. I'll take the blame for not being clear enough. I don't doubt for one second that you are a follower of Jesus Christ. Your post seems to imply that you thought I made that accusation and I want to clear the record. I responded to your post because I felt you were attacking the very Gospel that I base my faith upon. The Gospel which some call "reformed", but nevertheless, I just call it the Gospel of Jesus Christ and nothing more or nothing less. This same Gospel that I believe in is what you quite blatantly describe as an error. So yes, I do take issue with that. Please note that I in no way said that you reject Jesus Christ, but that you reject the Gospel as I understand it. It was not meant to undermine you at all, so please accept my apology for the miscommunication. I haven't made any assumptions about you, Hank, that you didn't clearly provide for me. For example, you are obviously one who is not Reformed. You specifically take issue with the Reformed faith. I felt your first post to me was both assuming and condescending in tone. All I did was point out a simple logical fallacy in your assumptions and you accuse me of putting a "Calvinistic/Reformed spin on it". I'm sorry, but you've never had any dialogue with me before yet you poo-pooed my opinion like yesterday's trash. How is that kind or respectful? Isn't it possible that the "Calvinistic/Reformed" interpretation is the correct one?? Now, I value the opinions of everyone I meet whether they see eye-to-eye with me on the issues or not. I will dialogue with you and discuss the Scriptures all night if you want, and I bet we would have a good time doing it. I just ask that you treat me with sincerity and respect and not with flippant rhetoric. Once again, I apologize for the disharmony. I truly desire to have honest and loving dialogue on these issues, even when we disagree. Please understand that I do not, have not, and will not EVER make a remark to you or anyone else on this forum concerning their standing with Jesus Christ UNLESS they are obviously promoting heresy. I hope that clears things up. Sincerely in Christ, JibbyJee |
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83 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87607 | ||
Greetings Hank! I'm sorry to hear that you reject the Gospel that is the basis for the faith which I call my own. Calling Reformed theology a "semantic path" where one should "proceed with caution" is not only a straw-man argument, but is also a moot point considering the exact same accusation could be leveled against Arminians. Second, I'm not sure how being in a reformed church for 35 years has anything to do with our discussion. Obviously you are trying to give your opinions weight by playing the "experience card". Surely you know that you the length of time you are in a church has nothing to do with whether or not their teachings are true. I could be in a LDS church for 5 minutes or 75 years and their doctrine is still just as heretical either way. So 35 years in a reformed church doesn't give you any special knowledge in and of itself. Nor do I have any interest in teaching you anything, even if you had a spirit that was interested in discussing these things. I believe these issues are far from pointless. I believe the very HEART of the GOSPEL lies at the center. Dodge the issue if you feel you must, but as for me, I will defend the GOSPEL even when I'm "sick" of discussing these issues which are under attack. All for the glory of God.. Soli Deo Gloria! In Christ, JibbyJee ps.....I've never been to a reformed church in my life!! |
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84 | Belief alone saves? | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87553 | ||
hello IHN, I've been reading the discussion you are having with RJ and was wondering how you define "faith". What is faith to you?? The Bible is clear that we are saved by GRACE through FAITH. This saving faith is a gift given from God (Eph 2:8-9) to us. Since faith is a gift of God that is exercised in men only by the power of the Holy Spirit, there inevitably will be "works" that manifest from this work of God within a believer. We call these "fruits of the Spirit" (Gal. 5:22-23). By these works others will recognize us (Matt. 7:15-21) and without the fruits of the Spirit, there is no true faith (James 2:19-26) because it is not God who is working there, but the evil one (Phil. 1:6; Eph 2:10; Rom. 9:16). I don't think RJ is inconsistent in saying that we are saved by faith AND must do works. However, the works are a RESULT of the the power of the Holy Spirit which works in us by FAITH. Our works don't make our faith, our faith makes our works. IN Christ, JibbyJee |
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85 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87551 | ||
Hello Hank! There is not real evidence in Scripture to suggest that Jesus died to save everyone. [See John 6:35-45;65, 1 John 2:19; John 17:9; John 8:41-45] The WHOEVER in John 3:16 is literally "all the believing ones". It's describing the truth not giving a prescription. The eisegetical interpretation would be to read into the text the assumption that the atonement makes salvation a possibility for everyone on earth, even the dead, to be saved. By implying the word WHOEVER means an open invitation is to render the Blood of Christ powerless and ineffective to save anyone, because it's potency is contingent upon the exercise of "free will". I can read the exact same verse and let it say what it says and nothing more--All who believe in Jesus will be saved. There is nothing there that suggests he did/didn't die for all men. But in light of all of Scripture, particularly John 6:35-45, it becomes clear that He died TO SAVE and not to FAIL TO SAVE by losing some. In Christ, JibbyJee |
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86 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | JibbyJee | 87442 | ||
Greetings DL! Before I reply to your last post, I must ask you to answer the question about Philippians 1:6 regarding Jesus not only beginning the work (salvation) in us but also promising to finish it. I don't see how your last response answers that question at all. You've brought predestination into the mix and somehow implied that it (the doctrine of predestination) is connected to using liberty as an excuse to continue in sin. I never heard of Christians who believe they can continue to sin willingly and still be saved. So I'm not sure why you made that statement. In fact, I'm not entirely sure why you posted any of it regarding the course of our dialogue. Nevertheless, I will make an attempt to address your concerns. As I said earlier, I'm not sure what your point is about the predestination/liberty statement. Of course I agree with it, but I just not sure how it relates to our conversation. Likewise I'm going to need you to explain how Christians still being in the flesh as anything to do with choosing our own destiny. I could equally say it does not have anything to do with it. In fact, Scripture says that flesh is worthless. Therefore, it has no eternally profitable bearing on your life or mine. Look at these Scriptures: Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, are are life. Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh: Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were through the law, wrought in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. Rom 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not. Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Rom 8:4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:8 and they that are in the flesh cannot please God. If I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying that you can somehow make good of the flesh. Paul understood that He couldn't as shown in the verses above. We are saved by grace, through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) which is a work that God does (John 3:6; Eph 2:10), based upon the will of God, not man (Eph. 1:4; Rom. 9:16). That's all I have time for right now. Sorry about that. I'll try to get back when I can. In Christ, JibbyJee |
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87 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | JibbyJee | 87371 | ||
Greetings DL Respectfully, sir, I disagree with the idea/conclusion that Rev 22:19 automatically means someone's name is there to begin with. The verse is saying that if they had any hope at all of being saved it was lost when they perverted the Word of God, thereby forfeiting their place in the Tree of Life (or Book) forever. You still didn't take my question to it's full extent. If Jesus was the one who started the good work in you, and the Bible says He will finish it (that's a promise!) then you are saying He fails to do what He purposes to do. Phi. 1:6 directly contradicts your interpretation. So does 1 John 2:19. We must base our doctrine in light of all of Scripture. In the Potter's Service, JibbyJee |
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88 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | JibbyJee | 87289 | ||
Phi 1:3 I thank my God upon all my remembrance of you, Phi 1:4 always in every supplication of mine on behalf of you all making my supplication with joy, Phi 1:5 for your fellowship in furtherance of the gospel from the first day until now; Phi 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that he who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ: Greetings DL! I just have one question for you. Who began the good work in you? Alive in Christ, JibbyJee |
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89 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | JibbyJee | 87287 | ||
Greetings EdB! I agree with you that the various versions are essentially saying the same thing. However, my own understanding of what is said in Rev. 22:19 persuades me that it is not talking about someone having their name taken out of the Lamb's Book of Life. We need to carefully evaluate these things with a balanced view of all of Scripture. God's Word is not contradictory (1 Cor. 14:33). I would suggest to you that he who commits the blasphemous sin spoken of in verse 19 commits the impardonable sin as well (1 John 5:16) and was never a true disciple of Christ to begin with (1 John 2:19). Having done so, it is impossible for that person to be brought back to repentance because of the eternally heinous nature of the crime against God and His Word (Heb. 6:3-6). You may think this is spitting hairs as well, and I respect your opinion, but I think the assumption that you're reading into verse 19 is not necessarily correct. That assumption being that the person is literally removed from the Book as if he was previously there. The verse does not clearly imply that conclusion. It could just as easily be that the verse is simply reiterating the point that the person will NEVER be able to be saved and receive eternal life. Do you agree with me that both are legitimate possibilities that need to be understood in light of all of Scripture? 1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God. Phi 1:3 I thank my God upon all my remembrance of you, Phi 1:4 always in every supplication of mine on behalf of you all making my supplication with joy, Phi 1:5 for your fellowship in furtherance of the gospel from the first day until now; Phi 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that he who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ: take care. Alive in Jesus, JibbyJee |
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90 | God--the "loving Father" of whom? | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87206 | ||
Justme I just read your profile and wanted to let you know that I'll be praying for your healing from the cancer. How's it all going? My mother-in-law has been battling thyroid/lymph node cancer for 5 years. She is such a trooper. She's a godly woman who God is using to encourage and witness to so many people. I can't even begin to tell you the impact her response to the ordeal has had on me. So keep your chin up and your eyes on the Glory of Christ (as I'm sure you are!) I'd love to hear about the details if you ever feel the need to chat with a twenty-something kid! :) Alive in Christ, JibbyJee |
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91 | God--the "loving Father" of whom? | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87201 | ||
justme Thanks for responding! You're quick! LoL The paedobaptism issue is one that I am not very familiar with. I am not from the Lutheran/Presbyterian tradition so I can't say I have much experience with the reasons for infant baptism other than it's considered a covenant with God. It's easy for me to associate the practice with the Roman Catholic Church, thereby getting goosebumps and stomach cramps, but that isn't really fair. I can think of several godly men that I look up to a lot (RC Sproul for example) who practice infant baptisms because of theological reasons (Covenant Theology). But like I said, I'm mostly ignorant of the issue and will likely remain a "immersion" Baptism guy. As far as the age of accountability, I don't worry about that too much because I think it's something between God and individuals, like you said. So it's not something that can be dogmatically designated (like Mormons do). I believe God justifies and in so doing has mercy and compassion on whom He wills (Rom. 9:18). I trust that God always does what is right. See you later! Alive in Jesus, JibbyJee |
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92 | Am I once and forever saved? | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87193 | ||
Yes, of course. IF you have truly been saved and regenerated by the Holy Spirit, that is. Many people give God lip service by claiming to be saved when in fact God has never saved them. It is these He speaks of in Matthew 7:22-23 and 1 John 2:19. If you have truly been saved your life will show evidence of producing fruit(John 15:3) which is a product of being filled with the Holy Spirit for the purpose of producing fruitful works unto the Glory of God (Gal. 5:22-23). Without these works and evidence of fruit, there is no real faith (James 2). Other verses declaring God's majestic faithfulness to us who are His are John 6:35-45, 1 John 5:13, Romans 8:1. And countless others. Have a good day. :) Alive in Jesus, JibbyJee |
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93 | God--the "loving Father" of whom? | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87184 | ||
I agree with you. There is no way for our finite minds to know who the elect of God are. I guess this is one of those questions that clearly draws the dividing line in the sand between Arminians and Calvinists. It is not as much an issue of the nature of election or predestination as much as it is an issue of Biblical sequence and chronology. I believe some things have to happen before others can occur. For example, you proposed the hypethetical that asked whether or not we are born saved and then lose that status by our own actions. I don't believe anyone is born saved because that would mean that people are in Christ at birth without being spiritually born-again. To be saved one must be born again (John 3:3), which is a gift of God (Eph. 2:8-9) that does not come from the will or desire of man but purely by the will of God (Romans 9:16). To be born saved would mean you would have to be redeemed at birth (Gal. 3:13), given to the Son by the Father (John 6:37) never to be lost by Him (John 6:39-40; John 10:28-29; 1 John 5:13) thus being guaranteed of eternal life. From this, you can see that if anyone is born saved, then we should all be universalists because no one can be saved and end up in Hell. However, I think we are all born deserving of eternal punishment (Ps. 58:3; Gen. 6:5; Rom. 3:10-11). Therefore, as you and I both believe, for God to save children is not a matter of Him being just and giving them what they deserve, but rather that He has mercy upon them despite their sinful condition. Being saved for an adult is no different. We aren't saved simply because we choose to be saved. We choose to be saved because he has mercy on us and delivers us from the bondage of sin upon our entire being. That's how I see it anyway. Looking forward to hearing back from you! Alive in Jesus, JibbyJee |
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94 | God--the "loving Father" of whom? | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87138 | ||
Hi Justme! After reading your post and thinking a bit about your assertion that God is our "loving Father" (which I agree with you), I am curious as to whether or not you believe all people are God's children--especially in light of the words of Jesus in John 8:44. He obviously made a distinction as to who these Jews had for a father. So at what point can you say that God is our "loving Father" without disregarding Jesus' own distinction? Alive in Jesus, JibbyJee |
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95 | Heaven or Hell? | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 87137 | ||
Hi akeffer! I would have to agree with Joseph3's reply to your question. He did a good job providing scriptural evidence in support of his conclusions. One thought I would add to the equation is this: If we assume that all people who never hear the gospel automatically get saved by default without ever placing their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, then we also conclude that we are all morally obligated to quit sharing the Gospel with people. If anyone can get saved apart from Christ, then the worst thing that could happen to them would be to hear the Gospel and be forced to choose. Only then would their eternal state ever be in jeopardy. I hope you see my point and that scripture does indeed hold true as Jesus Himself told us in the entirety of John 10. Also these verses: Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing. Act 3:22 Moses indeed said, A prophet shall the Lord God raise up unto you from among your brethren, like unto me. To him shall ye hearken in all things whatsoever he shall speak unto you. Act 3:23 And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. Act 3:24 Yea and all the prophets from Samuel and them that followed after, as many as have spoken, they also told of these days. Alive in Jesus, JibbyJee |
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96 | Why did God harden Pharoh's heart? | Rom 9:17 | JibbyJee | 86487 | ||
First, I would say the foundational assumption of God loving all people the same way certainly contributes to why you may be confused about the issue. God does love everyone, and demonstrates it through the general revelation of his grace to all people (Romans 1). However, we often make the mistake of placing the love of God into a box of our own fashion, by saying He loves all people the same way, and thereby make his ability and freedom to love his own even less than that which we claim and demand for ourselves. My love for my wife and daughter is not the same as it is for the guy down the street or my boss. I have the freedom and the moral obligation to love my own in a special, intimate way. In a similiar manner, God's love for the Israelites is not the same love that He had for the Amalekites or the Egyptians. He has a special love for those whom He chooses for His own. We tend (due to 150 years of Arminian tradition) to assume God has a vanilla-flavored love for all people, when the Bible clearly demonstrates that salvation is based upon God loving and having mercy upon wretched sinners--so that they are saved--rather than loving and having the same mercy on all people the same way and hoping it works. Essentially, if God's love and mercy are the same for all people, then it is impossible for God's love and mercy upon me (grace) to be directly responsible for my salvation. What this Arminian idea says is that God didn't do anything for me that he didn't also do for the lost. Which, if true, means I'm not saved by grace at all, but rather by my own choice to be saved. But what virtue in me brought me to repentance? Was I "better", or "smarter", or "more insightful" than the guy who went to the grave unrepentant? Why do some come and others not come if, ULTIMATELY, salvation is dependent upon free will? Anyway, I apologize for the rambling. Back to your question. I believe the reason God hardened Pharoah's heart is simply because it was the desire of His will to do so in order to accomplish His purpose. Don't forget that Pharoah got what he wanted. All sinners do. Except for those whom God has made new creations in Christ--also according to His purpose and will. Romans 8-9 sheds a great deal of Light on this important question. Have a good one! In Christ, Matt Eph 1:11 in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh ALL THINGS after the counsel of his will; |
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97 | Reformed and Arminian Gospel Preaching | Rom 1:18 | JibbyJee | 86484 | ||
You wrote: "God died for all people" Do you mean Christ died to redeem all people? Does His atonement save people or make them able to be saved? Jibbs |
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