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81 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28518 | ||
Question: Who are the elect? I ask because if God only wrote the elect in...who is the ones blotted out that we see in other verses? For sake of arguement...i too believe once saved ...always. But I am of the ilk that thinks "God so loved the world..." he wrote all names in the Book...and those who dont come to the saving knowledge are blotted out. Thus, blaspheming the HS. D *SHALOM* |
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82 | Define "praying in the Holy Spirit" | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28475 | ||
Robert, According to Acts2:4, they spoke with other tongues. glossa, being the word in GK, tongue (by implication a known language) It does make this miracle of speaking in tongues greater if we believe the ones speaking were actually hearing themselves speak Galilean. But the ones hearing - their perspective dialect. But I personally dont think this is what is being said. I believe they knew what they were saying wasnt thier own language but they knew what they were saying (the Spirit giving them understanding either during or after) as well as the hearer. *SHALOM* |
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83 | Is private speaking in tongues Biblical? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28473 | ||
retxar, that is what Paul is trying to say, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF .... it isnt edidying the body to speak/pray in a tongue unless it is edifying the body. But he also states in vs 14, that if he prays this way his understanding is unfruitful. What is the conclusion then? Check out my post to tracebrown ... I believe we are all on the same page ..ya think? |
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84 | Define "praying in the Holy Spirit" | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28472 | ||
Nolan, Are you referencing John MacArthur's ...Study Bible? If so, is it true that He doesnt believe that tongues is to be used today, that it vanished at the end of some certain dispinsation along with prohesying? But the other gifts didnt ? D *SHALOM* |
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85 | when you talk to God... | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28470 | ||
tracebrown, 1Corinthians 12:1-11, key vs being 7. The purpose of the gift. Edifying the Body of Christ. 1Corinthians 14:2 ...the verse your posting. It does not say (unknown) tongue. Actually, it is a known tongue being discussed in this chapter. Looking further into this letter, Paul states in verse 10-12, "There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them are without significance. Therefore, I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me. Even so, since your are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the chruch that you seek to excel." Paul is speaking of a known language and how it should be administered. If you notice, Paul defined what tongue is being used, a known language. And we see that without having to consult a Concordance or Dictionary. But let us do that anyway for the sake of seeking knowledge and truth. "tongue", being used is defined: GLOSSA (Greek), a tongue [by implication a language] (specifically one naturally unaquired) Strongs Concordance and Dictionary IF you have access to a Vines Expository Dictionary. You will find a more direct definition to the word being used in these verses as well as others. All in all, a known language is being uttered. Again, in vs 12 Paul directs us to what we should be doing in the first place. EDIFYING the church with this gift. vs 4, "He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself..." Is this what the chapter is trying to get us to do, build ourselves up? Paul is stating the tongue does edify self, but it isnt to be used for that. It is a part of the Body needed to edify the Body. vs 5, "I wish you all spoke in tongues..." Is Paul implying that all "Do" or "Should" speak in tongues? vs 13,14, "Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. For If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but MY UNDERSTANDING IS UNFRUITFUL." I dont think Paul is saying because my spirit is praying my mind doesnt/shouldnt have to know what Im praying about or for. How can YOU say AMEN to your own prayer if you dont know what your praying? vs 17, "For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified." Is Paul letting us know thats its ok to pray in a tongue? YES, but its UNFRUITFUL for the hearer. Paul is letting us know that speaking in tongues ISNT ALL THAT AND A BAG of CHIPS. or, is what Paul states next an incorrect view on my part? vs 18-20,"I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all, yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue." Does Paul mean he would like to speak in a tongue with the understanding - he doesnt have to understand - what he is saying or praying? He did say in verse (19), he would like to teach others also. What does he want to teach? vs 26, "...Let all things be done for edification." The chapter we find is speaking of the Body being edified. vs 28, "..if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church. Let him speak to himself and to God." Does this mean its ok to pray outloud in church even if someone next to you can hear you? What if your pastor says to pray in tongues outloud in church, do you/should you? vs 33, "For God is not the author of confusion but of peace..." With the tongues being used in churches today, does it not resemble what Paul was trying to correct? I pray (with my understanding) we can find a conclusion to hold onto. **SHALOM** |
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86 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28467 | ||
ethan, Seems very well we are on the same page of agreement. My post that sparked yours here was simply to see how you come to your conclusions. How scripture lines up to your conclusions etc. Hope you dont feel like I was testing your FAITH, when actually I was trying to find where your reasoning was sparked. Let us continue together to glean from this Forum and what the LORD has for us. Question for you: If our names were written before the foundations of the world in the Lambs Book of Life. Does that mean, the names that are blotted out, are the ones that dont accept the free GIFT of Jesus and what HE did for us, thereby, blaspeming the HOLY SPIRIT? Take a look at the posts found in the question about, Can we lose our salvation?. **SHALOM** |
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87 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28466 | ||
ethan, WOW...very interesting indeed. I shall consider what you posted here and look into your following scripture verses and glean all the good I can. thank you ...!!! **SHALOM* |
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88 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28465 | ||
wdc, LORD Bless you mightilty. Please for all of our own sake, do not consider yourself an unequal to those posting thier views or rightly dividing the word of truth. What you said in your last post was LOVELY and GOOD. Words of exhortation we all should consider. BRING IT ON... my brother/sister in CHRIST. *SHALOM* |
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89 | Define "praying in the Holy Spirit" | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28463 | ||
wdc, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT...forgive my lack of NOT looking into it before posting. I will not presume to know it all ....LOL BLESSINGS..... |
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90 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28249 | ||
ethan, I was born to create? what happened to pro-create? When you say we can create, do you mean we have the power to speak something into existence? If so, ohhhhhh boyyyyyyy....is that ever another disertation to wrestle with. Walking in the image of God? We were created in His image...not AS Him. Seems some more counerfeitism at work to me...just like when satan said the 5 "I will's". Isaiah 14:12-20 He said I will be like...not I will be or did he? Ezek 28:14-19 shows his origin too as well as...Rev 12:7-9;Gen3:1-7; John 8:44 I am not trying to grieve your spirit. I am merely asking questions to the origin of your thought. I only hope to expose what you think you know and what you seem to understand. And of course I do the same for myself with my reposts. I truly enjoy trying to "rightly divide the worth of truth". But I only do so with the word of truth. I try to keep my human influence uninvolved. If I am not, please tell me so. I need to be held accountable in all I do. Prov15:28a is a verse I try to keep as a standard when questions arise in my mind or from another. I cannot allow my experiences be the only TAP of information when it comes to "contending" for my faith. You spoke of a dream that told you, "that when Love comes, the Power gifts will follow. I believe this because..." I have to ask, did you try to find out if your dream holds up to the final court of arbitration? Did you ask the Lord to help you in an interpretation of the dream and then follow up by searching HIS WORD to see if it holds up and lines up Biblically? These are things we ALWAYS need to consider when it comes to testing false teachings, spirits, etc. We need to ONLY search HIS Word to find out if it is "good". If it isnt..then we need to dispose of it. We cannot rely on "That bares witness to my spirit" attitudes. You see, we are carnal by nature and not spiritual. Our flesh is at work to destroy us as well as Satan. The book of Romans will substantiate that thought. If we hear something, see something, feel something that says it is of GOD. Should we rely on our ears, eyes, emotions as the reason for our answer? If something is of GOD then it WILL stand up to deep scrutiny, even when it is scrutinized by the Bible. With all that said, I certainly hope we can continue dialogue on many other subjects. I hope we are both prepared to be held accountable for we say. One last comment, you said I should do a study on Mercy. I have. And the Lord has been. With you and with me in this forum. Something provacative to think about, eh? *SHALOM* |
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91 | Define "praying in the Holy Spirit" | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28245 | ||
Brother Tim, What a Blessing you are in here and on this subject amongst other subjects Ive seen your posts. May the Lord continue to richly bless you in your gifts that are sooooo visible. *shalom* |
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92 | Is "heavenly prayer language" Biblical | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28243 | ||
Searcher? You mean to tell me that the Bible doesnt even IMPLY a heavely language? But what about the argument of "tongues of angels" that alot of folk like to use? You dont need to respond, I know what your answer will be...the same as mine. I am only responding to give you my email. email me sometime ... josh2415@bigfoot.com *SHALOM* |
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93 | Is "heavenly prayer language" Biblical | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28242 | ||
Rick01, I sent you an email, I hope you will respond. *SHALOM* |
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94 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28241 | ||
ethan, Ps 24:1, "The earth is the Lords and all its fullness. The world and those who dwell therein." Ps 50:10-12, "For every beast of the forest is Mine, the cattle on a thousand hills...the wild beasts of the field are Mine...For the world is Mine, and all its fullness." Ex 19:5, "...if indeed you will obey My voice ...for all the earth is Mine." Ex 9:29, "...that you may know that the earth is the Lords" I'm not sure you understand who has the "title deed" to the earth. Could it be that Satan was trying to be a counterfiet owner? We do know he is the father of lies, deciet,etc. When Satan with the other sons of God came to GOD in Job 1:6-8, this shows me that God gave him free reign to go to and from and back and forth and THEN let him touch his child. Satan didnt have ownership, he was given permission. more to follow... *shalom* |
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95 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28240 | ||
Emmaus, Thank you for your reply. If you look at my other posts in response to the other find bretheren in here. You will find that I too am in favor of the "more excellent way" in 1Cor12. That is exactly what I pray for over all the other gifts he desires to give us. I have been blessed with the other gifts that are not as "initial?" according to some views. It would seem this ISSUE is very discerning. Read all the posts attributed to this and find out how discerning. May the LORD continue to Bless you Emmaus, *SHALOM* |
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96 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28239 | ||
ethan, I havent read all of what you posted yet. I have only seen what you said about REASON...and you havent explained what you mean to me. maybe im just really dense. Reason defined is like what the Lord said Isaiah 1:18. "Come let US reason together.." Whatever we hear, read, or see...we need to reason it with HIM. Thru HIS scripture, and only HIS scripture. We cannot deduce from our own worldly views, we need to consider seeing things thru HIS eyes as best we can. We can find HIS eyes in HIS words. Your defining of reason is a good example...but is it the same one HE would have used? I leave with that in mind as i peruse the rest of your post. *shalom* |
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97 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28121 | ||
ethan, firstly,please explain what you mean by 4 things destroy faith: Fear, Doubt, Reason and Anxiety. You see I do believe 3 of those 4 are characterisitics that show a lack of faith. Reason isnt one of them. So, if you please. Explain how it does. 2ndly, If I may be so bold as to ask. Where did you reason your words about power, authority etc? I have to ask because it would seem you are using "dunamos" out of context with what you said about satan wanting our authority etc. But since you didnt give any scriptual reference I cant qualify a rebuttal of any consenquence. 3rdly, Do you understand the Corinthian letter from Paul was a total rebuke of what they were doing in the church there? Paul was letting them know that they were abusing the spiritual gifts given by the Holy Spirit for the "edification" of the church. Not to used for self edification. Several times Paul said let what ever they do be to edify the church. The times he said self was edified was in contrast to the church. In the context and tone of the letter he was letting them know that when they used the gifts for self they were out of order. With the tongues especially. We notice that, because he wrote about it and qualified its importance in 2 chapters. Namely 12 and 14, and in between he wanted us to know what was more important. Chapter 13 ... the LOVE chapter. You see, when it came to the church, JESUS was most adamant that we LOVE one another more than ourselves. That was HIS 2nd command. If we are using the gifts of the Spirit for our self acknowledgement or self gratification or as prooooof to ourselves and to others that we are OF HIM then we may be missing the whole point of the use of the gift. Namely, for the edification of the church. In cases like what Ashestobeauty wrote about how this gift has helped her life....PRAISE GOD ....you see she didnt use it covetously. Hence, the Holy Spirit gave her this gift for helps and mercy. Covetousness is the most lethal of all characteristics of PRIDE. WEll i think it is anyway. Desiring a gift like Paul says in this letter is different from coveting. Coveting is a form of self absorbtion. There is no ryhme or reason other than "me me me me" when it comes to coveting. Righeous Desire is given to someone by the Holy Spirit that helps to edify the church. Without the help of the Holy Spirit all we do is in our own authority. And right now backing what i just said Scriptually escapes me....forgive me. Let us not convolute HIS story..... *shalom* |
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98 | Define "praying in the Holy Spirit" | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28073 | ||
Robert, blessings to you.! I agree with most of what you are saying. No buts included....ehehehe I sure would enjoy hearing a concise explanation for verses 15, 16 in 1Cor 14 these seem to tell me that the LORD wants me to be able to reason with HIM even when praying. but then...i could be convoluting the story...which i dont want *SHALOM* |
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99 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28070 | ||
Nolan, Thank you for the post. Have you read my post from 12/20 11:09pm ?? OH how i can goooooo on n on....seems the church TODAY is not too far from the Corinthian church in Paul's day ....ya think?? *SHALOM* |
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100 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | The Disciple | 28069 | ||
ethan, if you get a chance....read my note i left 12/20 11:09 pm.... |
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