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81 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 93170 | ||
Yes, I read the verses, still they aren't matching up. We must remember, if we are "taught" something, it has to match up with the Bible. I am greatly bothered when someone reverts back to "this is what the Holy Spirit taught me" and it doesn't fit with the Bible. That "teaching" should be ignored then. If you desire to believe in gifts, that's fine, but I have never seen a Biblical proof from them past 70 AD. Gifts were for the early Church and ceased, just like Paul said they would. Take care, | ||||||
82 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 92947 | ||
DairyLeader5 I think part of the problem is you are confusing Faith with tongues or prophecy. You can't say faith is a spiritual gift and use that in an attempt to "prove" spiritual gifts. Is Grace a spritiual gift as well? Faith and Grace are seperate from tongues and prophecy and healings. You'll need better "proofs" to prove that gifts are valid for today. Take care, |
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83 | Why little sign of power in our churches | Mark 16:17 | Suede67 | 92822 | ||
Hi Dairyleader5, Thanks for writing me, I'll quote you by putting "" around your quotes. "Saying that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are no longer needed, or just for the early Church, is the reason the gifts of the spirit are not being manifested in our churches today." This I disagree with. If merely saying they aren't needed can prevent them from being manifested, I think we need to question the reality of them then. "Which of these gifts do you say you have, according to some you cant have even faith, even thou it is a gift, so the people who say the gifts were only for the early church are mistaken." Faith is something different, it's not commonly considered a "spiritual" gift. Faith, like grace, is a gift from God. Personally when I mean spiritual gifts, I mean tongues, prophecy, healing, things more along those lines, not faith. "How many Churches have you been in that teach these gifts and how to recieve them?" None. Personally I would never attend a church that taught these things. That's fine if you wish to, I don't believe in fragmenting the church over non essentials like this, but personally I will never attend a church that has "gifts" such as tongues or prophecy. "The congregation doesnt know that these gifts are available." Well, then again we must ask, why not, if from God they should be evident. But they are not. Something to consider. "The gifts are not seen in the U.S. because the pastors have to believe they exsist." Again though, this is a pattern I'm seeing. If these gifts are from God, they would be evident regardless of what the pastor felt. I don't think the pastor has anything to with it. "The Bible says that these things will follow those who believe," Yes, that is in accordance with the Last Days, or end of the age, which being a Preterist I believe has already happened. Paul flat out tells the Corinthians that gifts are going to cease. "do you think that people are trying to follow gifts or are the signs follow the believer." I think people try to follow gifts. ", but all I wanted to say was be careful what you say about what the Bible say we can have." That's cool, and thanks for caring. Kindness is a sign of belief. Again though, being a Preterist I view the Bible within a 1st century context. Things spoken of in it, have passed, including gifts. However, if you are a believer, then that's enough for me. Again, I wouldn't try to curse you or say you are a heretic for believing in gifts, I just do not and have never seen a valid arguement for the continuation of them pass 70 AD. "In short these gifts are not manifested in churches because of unbelief." Or because they are no longer available. "God be with you." Amen, He is. Same to you, God is with you, take care, SUEDE |
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84 | Problems with length of reigns of2 kings | 2 Kin 13:1 | Suede67 | 92762 | ||
seracher got it right, and let me add there is a book that deals with this topic called "The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings" by Edwin R. Thiele if you are interested in further reading. |
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