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61 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 67013 | ||
Dear Cyclist, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Brother, a little fireworks is normal on a public forum. :-) Indeed, switching gears is also very normal. What began as a fairly straightforward question became a somewhat emotional issue. I have read carefully your posts, and looked into the Scriptures you used in reference. I continue to find little convincing argument for the innocence and-or blanket release of children from the sin of Adam. I base my beliefs on the lack of evidence, and my observation of the rebellious nature of children. I've said this same thing several times, so many will want to pin a 'broken record' label on me. "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me." Psalm 51:5 NASB. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." John 3:6 NASB. "Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of discipline will remove it far from him." Proverbs 22:15 NASB. Yet again, I say that I have no desire to 'place' babies in hell. I simply find little concrete evidence they are in heaven. God is just. I rest in His justice. Mark 2:17 - We are saved from our sin, from the nature that curses us, not our actions. Therefore, we are saved by grace through faith, not because we decided to repent. Matthew 21:15 - I doubt these children were 'infants and babes.' They were most probably the children of believers. We DON'T know. So don't presume. John 20:23 - WE don't forgive (to salvation) anyone. James 4:17 - Children are aware they are sinning. They know when they take another chold's toy that it is not right. They know to displease the one who feeds them is not right. In any case, many adults 'sin in ignorance' and are accountable. This is the sin of foolishness. 2 Timothy 2:19 - Amen! Friend, it is late. Good night and God bless. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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62 | Why didn't Moses enter the Promised Land | Num 20:12 | charis | 66928 | ||
Dear Ray, Greetings in Jesus' name! Friend, you are always welcome! Please see ID# 66927 for my note to Robert. Thank you for your contribution to the thread. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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63 | Why didn't Moses enter the Promised Land | Num 20:12 | charis | 66927 | ||
Dear Robert, Greetings in Jesus' name! Amen! And well said. Like many of the saints of old (David certainly comes to mind!), Moses was far from perfect, yet by grace was 'as a friend of God! (Exodus 33:11) This same verse tells us that Joshua knew that. The nation of Israel (Old and New Testament) considered Moses the 'mouth of God,' always saying, "Moses said..." The writer of Hebrews spoke at length of the faith of Moses in chapter 11. One more verse that caught my eye is: 'And they sang the song of Moses, the bond-servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, "Great and marvelous are Your works, O Lord God, the Almighty; Righteous and true are Your ways, King of the nations!"' Revelation 15:3 NASB. Verse 2 says that these are 'those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and the number of his name.' A 'pet theory' of mine (not a doctrine!), is that Moses 'led them out of Egypt,' speaking of a type of justification, and Jesus 'leads us in' to a 'Promised Land' of the kingdom of God (the kingdom of heaven), a place of proximity with God that Israel never enjoyed. This verse speaks of the 'song of Moses,' praising God for delivering them from Egypt, from bondage, and slaying the armies of the enemy. But the 'song of the Lamb' speaks (to me) of a post-sanctification entrance into eternal life. I understand this is not a 'perfect model,' but I sing both songs! Thanks to you (and Ray, too!) for sharing your thoughts of faith and praise. In Christ Jesus, charis |
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64 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66909 | ||
Dear Cyclist, Greetings in the name of Jesus! No pain intended, but perhaps a mild rebuke. ;-) My friend, this is not an 'elite' forum. Last I counted, we have no 'Gakusha-sama' or 'Parisai-bito' (Scribes or Pharisees). Just folks with a variety of gifts and callings, and a love for the Bible. Any and all questions, answers, notes, ideas and opinions and answers are considered worthy, within the guidelines set by our hosts, and common courtesy and respect. You have met all necessary criteria, so be bold! I, too, am a layperson. Though called to shepherd a flock of his sheep, I am but one organ in His body. "For also the body is not one member, but many." 1 Corinthians 12:14 NASB. read through... "But zealously strive after the better gifts. And yet I show you a way according to excellence:" 1 Corinthians 12:31 NASB. My fellow forumer, zealously strive for more! If you make a mistake, you may be embarrassed, but you will learn. But you will learn little but prejudice if you wait until all things are settled in your mind. I, for one, look forward to your answers and notes. I'm also interested to know if anything I posted had a positive effect! I hope that's not being selfish? ;-) Ride on, Cyclist! In Christ Jesus, charis |
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65 | Why didn't Moses enter the Promised Land | Num 20:12 | charis | 66899 | ||
Dear Robert, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Your answer is correct. Please note that this was not the 'first and only' sin, though. He did not circumcise his own son: 'Now it came about at the lodging place on the way that the LORD met him and sought to put him to death. Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin and threw it at Moses' feet, and she said, "You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me." So He let him alone. At that time she said, "You are a bridegroom of blood"--because of the circumcision.' Exodus 4:24-26 NASB. And Moses did not 'follow through' with the sons of Israel: 'At that time the LORD said to Joshua, "Make for yourself flint knives and circumcise again the sons of Israel the second time." So Joshua made himself flint knives and circumcised the sons of Israel at Gibeath-haaraloth. This is the reason why Joshua circumcised them: all the people who came out of Egypt who were males, all the men of war, died in the wilderness along the way after they came out of Egypt. For all the people who came out were circumcised, but all the people who were born in the wilderness along the way as they came out of Egypt had not been circumcised.' Joshua 5:2-5 NASB. I don't know if it is 'three strikes you're out,' but I make this point because I have heard some say that Moses was so good, but cursed for but one 'minor' infraction. Such is not the case! Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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66 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66898 | ||
Deal Blo lextal, Grad thele's no ploblem! (solly, courdn;t herp myserf!) ;-) In Christ Jesus, charis |
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67 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66885 | ||
Dear retxar, Greetings in the name of Jesus! 10 Friend, no apologies are demanded at all! I was simply making a rhetorical statement to preclude the possibility that I was following the tradional (the commentaries) viewpoint. Truly, I was not implying that YOU were accusing me. I am sorry that it came out wrong. Though we are holding a 'conversation,' it is on a public forum, and some might think I was only parroting the commentators. The 'won't stick' part was a joke, because few that know me could accuse me of holding to 'tradition.' Again, my fellow saint, this was not directed to you, and I am the one to apologize. 2) I stand corrected. That particular passage is clear that it is not the disciple's children. I did not check this out before posting. Nonetheless, these children were probably those of 'seekers of Jesus,' as it is implied that they were still 'in the house' that Jesus was staying in while the region of Judea by the other side of the Jordan (vs. 10:1 and 10:10). It seems unlikely that they were non-Jews or even the children of the Pharisees, so I came to the conclusion that they were the children of 'followers' of Christ, but not 'capital-D' Disciples, who did the rebuking, and received a rebuke for it! Sorry for the slip! (blushing with shame!) Brother (I think! When ARE you going to give a user profile?!?!), I am not being facetious or pugnacious in any way. Really! I've lived in Japan the majority of my life, speak Japanese all day long, eat Japanese food, and even sometimes translate my words Japanese to English in my writing. Though educated in English, it is sometimes like a second language, not my first. I apologize if my (weird, misplaced) humor is not understandable. I'll try harder in the future! Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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68 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66880 | ||
Dear Cyclist, Greetings in Jesus' name! Boy, that was anticlimactic! Perhaps it was my naivete, but I was under the impression that you were accumulating my comments (and the comments of others) for the purpose of drawing some conclusions and sharing it with me (us). Even if you came to totally different conclusions, at least I would have the satisfaction of knowing you were wrong! :-) Well, bless you anyway... (You will understand if I'm a bit shy about spending a lot of time studying to answer your 'hypotheticals' in the future, won't you?) Ride on, Cyclist! In Christ Jesus, charis |
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69 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66868 | ||
Dear Cyclist, Greetings in the name of Jesus! Re: Luke 19:10: I think we are 'lost' through Adam's sin. Man was created in God's favor, but lost favor in the fall of Adam. Re: Hebrews 2:9: Without getting involved in a freewill/election debate, if 'everyone' means everyone, then why are ANY lost? The hypothetical 'all children' is more (to me) and emotional issue than anything else. Some really want the 'unborn and babes that die' to be in heaven. So the 'everyone' clause us brought up, but ignored when we ask about those souls that 'choose' death, even though they have no means to hear the Gospel. (more hypotheticals) Or is it that the only ones deserving hell are those that have full use of their mind and memory, the opportunity and ability to hear the Gospel message, and the the physical and mental ability to respond? So...unless one actually mimics the rebellious sin of Adam, we are not guilty or culpable? IMHO, this sounds like the humanist 'fairness' or 'social-correctness.' I prefer to trust that God knows what He is doing, and if He needed to explain 'innocence,' He would have expressed Himself better. Still, I have been offered no Scriptural evidence of 'innocence.' Re: Luke 9:56: If He meant to save everyone, He would have started with His beloved Adam. He has the power to save anyone and everyone. But His ways are NOT our ways. (Thank You, Lord!) Re: Old Testament 'salvation:' Only men were oficially 'saved.' Apparently, women and children are under the 'covering' of circumcised men. (!) The age 20 accountability? I dunno! Youth allowed into the Promised Land? Yes, God's grace is evident even in the Old Testament! Finally, my friend, let me say that I don't 'know,' or even 'believe' that the unborn, or infants, or mentally unfit, or ignorant, etc., are in hell. I am simply stating that there is no convincing Scriptural evidence that they are in heaven. Maybe they are. But I do not place my trust in God according to 'the way things should be according to Randy.' I read the Word, commune with God in prayer, and trust absolutely that He is righteous. I try to stay away from emotion and conjecture. Probably I am not completely successful. But in this issue, I cannot place those in heaven that the Bible does not clearly place. When 'that day' arrives, I will most likely be surprised at some of the choices He made, or did not make. Nonetheless, I will praise the name of Jesus! Because He chose me, not the other way 'round. Hope you had a great ride! I used to ride quite a bit, too (mountain bikes), but back injury now forbids it. :-( Now I ride a 'powered bicycle.' (CS650 Scarver) Blessings and joy in Christ Jesus, charis |
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70 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66854 | ||
Dear retxar, Greetings in Jesus' name! Friend, Maybe you were right not to post these Scriptures. :-) Maybe my English is getting rusty, but I was under the impression that 'as' and 'such as' meant 'to the same degree or amount, for instance, in the way or manner that,' etc., but did not equate the example with the subject. In other words, the child or children were used as the example of the manner in which we pursue the kingdom of God. So far, every commentary I have studied says the same thing. Now, you'l have to trust that I came up with my thinking on my own, and just recently (this thread) sought out the combined wisdom of much more able scholars than me. Please do not accuse me of following tradition, that would not 'stick' on me! :-) Perhaps these commentaries are all wrong, and indeed the original words of the Lord meant to include the child-children used for example. Then you have revelation I do not. As to the children in Mark definitely NOT being the disciple's children, I guess you mean that disciples would never rebuke their own children? :-) Or perhaps the disciple's children would never need rebuke? Indeed, heavenly children. :-) I agree that the Lord gives us no idea whatsoever of all children's heavenly status. As to secure-lost-saved, I don't think I was secure as an infant or child. My observation is that children are very insecure, unless every need is met! :-) Sure, we have this image of a contented babe-in-arms, but in the light of reality, children are cranky and upset and willful UNLESS they are fed, changed, warm (but not too warm), AND constantly ensconced in their mother's arms. Perhaps I have only seen the 'colicky' babies? :-) Please don't misunderstand me, my forum fellow, I do not feel it is 'right' for all children to be saved; my emotions feel it would be 'fair.' Big difference. If God were in the business of being 'fair' by human emotional standards, then the only people sent to hell would be those YOU (or another) thought deserved it! If this is the case, then is God listening (obeying) YOUR viewpoint, or another person's viewpoint? Or will God judge by 'majority-rules' or 'popular-vote?' I tend to trust that God is righteous, even if He condemns some that I 'feel' are innocent, or even if He saves some I 'feel' are unworthy. Please note, dear retxar, that I have not said that I am convinced that all children of the unsaved are in hell if they died before they had their 'chance.' I have only stated that the Bible gives us no clear assurance that they are in heaven. So far, you have not provided me with a convincing argument that would supercede the opinion of the many scholars I have studied. "I know not why God's wondrous grace to me He hath made known, nor why, unworthy, Christ in love redeemed me for His own. But I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that day." D.W.Whittle (2 Timothy 1:12) Thank you for responding to my questions, and giving me your view on this issue. Blessings to you and yours in Christ Jesus, charis |
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71 | Hypothetical Question? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66752 | ||
Dear Tim, Greetings in Jesus' name! I read this before, and I understand the concept and the motive. Out of curiosity, I must ask: If the age of accountability is fairly young, then does a child of six years old become culpable? (if he were as mature as you were at that age) Just to clarify this in my mind - a child could be saved until this age of culpability (i.e. six), then lose his salvation for six years until age twelve, then choose to 'accept' Jesus, and sing, "...I once was lost, but now am found, was blind, but now I see!"? From this point does this child have 'eternal security' as a believer, or is he succeptable to the temptation of the teen years? Brother, I am not being facetious. I really would like to know how this works. Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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72 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66751 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in Jesus' name! I understand your thinking. (I think) 1) Unless one commits sins that they know are sins, there is no transgression. 2) We will be judged according to our works. Thank you Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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73 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66744 | ||
Dear retxar, Greetings in the name of Jesus! My friend, that is pretty negative! :-) You have Scriptures, but they are ineffective? I await your 'best shot!' :-) Please don't misunderstand me about 1 Corinthians 7:14. I do not consider it a 'proof text.' I only say that it could bring comfort to us that our children are under 'special consideration' for a 'season.' I don't think of it as salvation, per se, unless they are taken by the Lord before their own time of calling. I believe that my girls were in the Lord's care until they came to know Him on their own. If they were rebellious and recalcitrant through high school, never honoring parents or God, I would indeed fear for their lives! So, no, I don't think your 'all-children-since-Noah' is viable. Now, to your scenario: Are all children saved until a 'time of reckoning (responsibility)?' What sin must be committed in order to lose that salvation? When? So, are saved adults either saved-lost-saved or saved-saved, or are they just predestined-saved? And the lost are saved-lost (when?), or born-saved-but-predestined-lost? Or, is anyone lost at all? (this is getting REALLY confusing! :-)) My fellow forumer, I readily admit that I do not have all the answers. I try my best to stay within the basic perimeters of the Bible without undue emotional conjecture. I would LIKE for all kids to be saved, but I have a hard time understanding God's rationale for 'unsaving' them. If sin is the reason for losing my childhood salvation, then I know I am not worthy of 'renewed' salvation. If my 'choice' got me saved after being lost after childhood salvation, then only those in the correct circumstances can be saved. For there are many that don't have the various 'choices' laid out before them. Which kind of brings us back to God chose me, by grace, because I KNOW I was lost! Thank you, too, for the fellowship. Why don't you give those Scriptures a try? Maybe they are more effective than you think! :-) Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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74 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66739 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in Jesus' name! Please read Romans 7. Paul tells us that we are of a sinful nature. Our flesh was born with the nature of sin. We did not 'learn' sin, or just 'do' many sins. We are conceived and born in sin, which we inherit from Adam. "Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness." 1 John 3:4 NASB. We were born with lawlessness in our flesh. It is not what we did, or our parents, or our society. It is us. Brother, did you ever notice that your little girl was willful and rebellious from a very young age? If you didn't, you are either blind, or not at home, or have the most compliant child ever born! :-) Six months is about the time that most children become aware of 'want.' "I want that!" "I don't want to do it!" "I want HIS toy!" "I want everything MY way, NOW!" If your daughter NEVER said these kind of things, and still does not, then indeed your child is without sin. I would love to meet a sinless child. I haven't yet. Is there a Scripture that declares clearly that children are sinless and innocent? Please tell me. Blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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75 | Eph. 5:23 | Eph 5:23 | charis | 66735 | ||
Dear gdswrd, Greetings in the name of Jesus! If the wife's reasons are good, then the husband will listen. That is if the husband is good! :-) I think that the main question is if the marriage is sound and united in faith? Separate churches is more foolish than submission to 'unreasonable' authority. If the wife has a problem with the present church, then the couple should visit the pastor (or an elder) together to settle the problem. One thing that you did not mention is if the home is committed to the church. Commitment to the local church is directly related to your service unto Jesus. Is it that easy to 'change churches?' If it is, then the basics of faith may need to be confirmed. It would be interesting to know if you are the 'wife' or the 'husband?' :-) Blessings of unity in Christ Jesus, charis |
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76 | Aborted babies saved? | 1 Cor 7:14 | charis | 66733 | ||
Dear jo par, Greetings in Jesus' name! And welcome to the forum. Threads similar to this have been around since the early days of this forum. The Scripture I quote seems to give assurance to Christians that their children, regardless of age, are holy for the faith of the parent(s). As far as ALL children, no one, as yet, has made a clear case for their 'innocence.' This does not mean that I believe they are in hell, only that the Bible does not clarify their fate. Personally, I have wrestled with this one for 20 years. I thought it 'unfair' of God to send 'innocents' and the 'ignorant' to hell. Well, 19 years ago I gave this to the Lord. I KNOW I was worthy of hell! I KNOW He is worthy of all praise and trust!! I cast my 'emotional' burdens upon Him, that I may be free. Peace and joy in Christ Jesus, charis |
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77 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66731 | ||
Dear Johnny, Greetings in the name of Jesus! "For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin." Romans 7:14-25 NASB. My friend, Paul is speaking here of the 'law of sin' that works in our flesh, born of Adam. We are not saved from our accumulated SINS, but from the SIN that rules our flesh. The slate is wiped clean because the ROOT of sin is removed, not because He 'unchecked' each individual sin from His 'ledger.' Actually, sin originated (and flourished!) before the Law. We are 'by nature children of wrath' (Ephesians 2:1-3) because of Adam's rebellious transgression, because he indirectly listened to the 'originator of sin and lies.' Perhaps a babe of one month could be called 'not yet capable of willful sin,' but most by six months are 'ready and willing' to sin! :-) Nonetheless, the Bible does say that we are conceived and born in sin. To 'take a page from your book,' please show me a clear Scripture stating the innocence of all children. I have yet to find one. Please note that the Bible DOES give us some assurance that the children of believers are blameless for the faith of their parent(s). (1 Corinthians 7:14) Finally, Hebrews 5:13, and the surrounding Scriptures are speaking of immature Christians, not babies. Blessings and peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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78 | Trial? | 1 Cor 7:5 | charis | 66719 | ||
Dear mpa, Greetings in the name of Jesus! My friend, my heart goes out to you. I will pray that the wisdom and peace of the Holy Spirit be upon you. Brother, you won't find me placing blame upon you. That won't solve anything. But repentance can and will change everything, as the word itself means to change. I suggest a change of opinion in a few key areas. As a fellow minister, I adjure you, do not be caught in the trap of saying, "If I do this, this will surely happen." If your church is in the Lord's capable hands, then 'bringing both your wife and yourself before witnesses' (trustworthy elders, co-laborers), will not 'wipe out everything.' If your church is not in God's hands, then it is already doomed. Honesty and trust in your fellowship is ALWAYS recommended, and WILL bring glory to God. If you cannot trust your elders, then they are not elders. Period. Another area of repentance is the thought that God is 'blessing your life and ministry.' This cannot be! What is your idea of blessing? If you cannot enjoy a healthy relationship with your spouse, then I don't know what blessing is. Finally, bitterness and defiance cannot work to your benefit. Sure, they are 'understandable,' but they don't solve anything, in fact can only exacerbate your turmoil. Find peace in the Lord. Then act according to conviction, not fear. Your fears seems to be dictating your lack of action. My brother and co-worker, I don't know your exact situation. But I HAVE dealt with such things personally and with other ministers. Perhaps you could email me, and we could talk, without 'airing the underwear' on a public forum. I promise to listen, and to give only simple Biblical advice, not try to rule over you. If you use Hotmail or such, you can be assured of your privacy. We could also chat or even talk on the phone. I'm sorry that you are caught up in a seemingly 'no-win' situation, and would like to pray for victory anyway! charisjapan@hotmail.com for both mail and chat. Peace and hope to you in Christ Jesus, charis |
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79 | Do all little ones believe? | Matt 18:6 | charis | 66705 | ||
Dear Cyclist, Greetings in Jesus' name! I devote time time to the forum to glorify God, serve my fellows, and (hopefully) gain knowledge and wisdom. It is a joy to share time with you, my friend, because you challenge without rancor, and are honest about your ignorance. I pray that your example will rub off on me! I have a bit of time these past few days because we are between 'seasons.' Soon, however, the demands on my time will keep from much participation. :-( We have a school drama coming up next Spring, and hope to do some interior and exterior remodeling on our church building next Summer. Because I am the only 'handy' person here, I will become busy with these, as well as the usual Christmas-New Years fellowship-evangelism. :-) Enough about me. (and many said 'Amen!') To answer this question first, I do believe that we are born with an awareness of God our creator. First, we are created in His image (Genesis 1:26,27), so our very being gives us a glimpse of His creation. Though not Biblical, there is a saying, "You have but to open your eyes to see the glory of God!" Though we are born under the curse of Adam, the image of God cannot be erased, only veiled. Jesus 'rent the veil' that His chosen may see Him. But awareness of God is not acceptance of God, nor is it a claim to innocence. For even the demons believe, and shudder (James 2:19). Concerning the 'unborn and nursing babes' in Matthew 24:19 (and others), my 'physical' resources continue to focus on the difficulty in fleeing to Jerusalem, as there will be no time to prepare for the journey. This would make the already hasty flight near-impossible for such mothers, thus woe unto them. None mention the plight of the children specifically. Finally, regarding the 'little ones' in Matthew 18, one little side note: There is a tradition that the child that Jesus stood before them was the famous martyr Ignatius, and that the 'example' the Lord used was also prophetic. Other authors consider this tradition to be doubtful... In any case, the unanimous concensus is that the 'little ones' are humble and faithful saints of the Lord Jesus, and the child is but an example. If you come up with any other Scripture or commentary to refute this, I would like to hear it. Many blessings in Christ Jesus, charis |
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80 | Submit . . . unless it hurts? | Eph 5:33 | charis | 66690 | ||
Dear srchng, Greetings in the name of Jesus! My friend, I well understand your desire for specific, pertinent Scripture. But please understand that there are times that the Bible often speaks through implication. I am pretty sure that the Word is not going to tell you how to fix Pentium 90MHz PC with 8MB RAM. But we might infer: "So Jesus then said to them plainly, "Lazarus is dead!" John 11:14 NASB. :-) Sorry, a little PCtech humor. Seriously, my friend, you must sometimes trust common sense and good advice. "Wisdom shouts in the street, She lifts her voice in the square;" Proverbs 1:20 NASB. "For by wise guidance you will wage war, And in abundance of counselors there is victory." Proverbs 24:6 NASB. Finally and foremost, understand that these situations must be solved case-by-case. There is no absolute. I HAVE been involved in many cases of physical and-or emotional abuse. My counsel was always accompanied by prayer and fasting, searching the Bible, and seeking the mind of God through the leading of the Holy Spirit. Each soul is individually precious in God's sight, and must be treated as such. But common sense dictates that if physical abuse is evident (not just perceived), then get that person away from the violence! (in all candor, DUH!) Now, my forum fellow, a bit of advice. If this is a specific situation, and you are asking for help, I think you have enough to work with. If, however, this is just FYI (for YOUR information), and you are asking out of idle curiosity, you are close to being annoying. You are insisting that 'there must be something more,' but some very insightful saints have told you there really IS no more. Frankly, unless there is a specific situation involving real people, then you have fallen into 'empty philosophy.' If there IS a real person involved, then the next step is to ask for pastoral advice from an experienced, trustworthy shepherd. I must go to school! (I'm the principal! :-)) Peace in Christ Jesus, charis |
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