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61 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 135237 | ||
I guess proving my point that Christians from most religions believe Satan to be "the god of this world", I've quoted a portion of Hank's reply that is contained in these threads immediately below: "The Bible recognizes the existence of graven images (idols), whom it calls "gods" and soundly condemns. It also recognizes the existence of Satan, whom it calls "the god of this world" and likewise condemns..." (Hank) |
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62 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 135115 | ||
The context of 2 Cor 4:4 may actually help one to draw the conclusion that Satan is "the god of this world". How? Early in Paul's second letter to the Corinthians he mentions "Satan" by name in 2 Cor 2:11 (The Amplied Bible), warning: "To keep Satan from getting the advantage over us; for we are not ignorant of his wiles and intentions." It is evident in this letter that the apostle Paul and early Christians understood Satan by many terms; each of these terms are qualified by similar character traits - a cunning lier with the sole objective of misleading people from serving the Creator. Thus with Satan's name already mentioned early in the letter - not too much later - 2 Cor 4:4 says "For the god of this world has blinded the unbelievers minds (that they should not discern the truth), preventing them from seeing the illuminating light of the Gospel of the glory of the Christ..." The qualifying remarks about "the god of this world" in 2 Cor 4:4 namely, "has blinded the unbelievers' minds" is an expansion of Satan description found earlier in 2 Cor 2:11 "we are not ignorant of his wiles AND INTENTIONS". However, Paul calls him "the god of this world" in 2 Cor 4:4. Supporting this thought that the apostle Paul did not have to keep re-introducing Satan's "name" everytime he refered to him in his letter is this verse - later in the letter - 2 Cor 11:3 "But [now] I am fearful lest that even as the serpent beguiled Eve by his cunning, so your minds may be corrupted and seduced from wholehearted and sincere and pure devotion to Christ". In the contextual reading of 2 Corinthians, it's not difficult to understand why the translators of The Living Bible found no issue with including Satan in 2 Cor 4:4 ("Satan, who is the god of this evil world...".) So "Satan", "the god of this world", and "the serpent" all with the same motive (to mislead, blind, seduce, etc.) are the same and the fact that the apostle Paul doesn't attempt to show them as different also leads one to this conclusion. Lastly, the other verses from other parts of the Christian scriptures mentioned in the other threads harmonize with this conclusion. Sincerely hope this helps... |
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63 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 135072 | ||
I wanted to include some concluding remarks about "the god of this world" being identified as "Satan"... When I quoted The Living Bible, I honestly never thought anyone would disagree with The Living Bible translators' inclusion of Satan in this verse. Why? Becuase when I read it in translations, I know from supporting scriptures (already mentioned in other threads) that when the Author of the Bible uses "the god of this world", He knew this to be Satan. And, I honestly never met any modern-day Christian organization that didn't believe this to be so. No deception meant here either - if I mispoke (wrote) to give this impression, it was unintentional. I do believe that purposely attempting to carry this conversation into a different direction may cause readers to not see the obvious: To say that Satan is not "the god of this world" because Satan isn't identified in the immediate verse is the same as saying "the serpent" mentioned in Genesis 3:1 is not Satan because "Satan" isn't specifically mentioned in that same verse in Bible translations. Yet, all those that know the Bible realize it is all the way in Revelation that "the serpent" and "Satan" appears together in the same verse, unequivocally showing Satan to be the serpent. Revelation 12:9 (The Amplied Bible) states in part: "And the huge dragon was cast down and out, the ages-old SERPENT, who is called the Devil and SATAN..." When you understand Satan to be "the god of this world", it makes the verses from Mt 4:8-10 (The Amplied Bible) crystal clear and straightforward as to their meaning: "Again the devil took Him [Jesus] up on a very high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory - the splendor, magnificence, preeminence and excellence - of them." "And he said to Him [Jesus], These things all taken together I will give You, if You will prostrate Yourself before me and do homage and worship me." "Then Jesus said to him, Begone, Satan! for it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God and Him alone shall you serve." [Jesus'cross-ref'd: Deut 6:13] Jesus wasn't tempted to worship "the god of this world", no-way... no-how, no matter what Satan offered him. What a sterling example for us today! No wonder one of God's secretaries clearly warned: 1 Cor 8:5 "...there are many gods and many lords" NASB. Amen. |
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64 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 134899 | ||
Hi Kalos, Certainly don't mean to be pushing any denominational bias... just saw a difference of opinion and wanted to entertain scriptural thoughts outside the box of a previous poster. I'm was hoping that the poster might see my points, but that didn't and won't happen. You probably didn't see my last post about me not wanting to continue with this thread. Sorry if I have offended anyone - not my intent. Some at the time were reading those posts and getting alot out of them, but perhaps some are annoyed by them. Take care Kalos and happy to find another Bible reader on board! |
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65 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 134897 | ||
Hi Mark, I believe if you re-read my threads, esp. the last one to Tim, it will be clear where I am coming from. Just because 2 Cor 4:4 doesn't say Satan in every translation - some, like the paraphrased version "The Living Bible" include Satan in that verse. Why? Because, just as you said, "we understand this to be referring to Satan". Now, how do you and the translators of The Living Bible understand 2 Cor 4:4's "the god of this world" to be Satan? By other scriptures, no? I have alluded to many of those cross-references in my threads. Tim is simply trying to win an argument on a technicality. I was trying to show him the errors of his way. Sometimes this happens when discussing Bible texts. About Satan, just as noone is necessarily born a murderer, they can become one. Satan was not created a god by the Almighty God. He was an angel that fell from grace and made himself a god, the Bible says "the god of this world" and the same god who offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world in Mt 4:8 [please read this] (btw: if they weren't Satan's to offer, Jesus would have called him on that) ... that's all I am trying to say, and I back it with scriptures. Also, just because 2 Cor 4:4 doesn't mention Satan in the original Greek text, you can't just throw it out the window as having no bearing about Satan and his motive - that verse contains a very important motive of Satan. It's a piece of the all important puzzle. When you read the context of 2 Cor 4:4 and understand the many cross-references in the Christian scriptures, it's clear that "the god of this world" is Satan. So clear, that The Living Bible translators never thought they would be questioned by paraphrasing it in this manner. Lastly, since God inspired the Bible, it is he that uses the term "the god of this world", not man, because the Creator knows that Satan made himself a god and is influencing this whole world - no Christian denies that fact today. |
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66 | Scriptural Support for you position? | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 134890 | ||
Bro Tim... you are intentionally trying to twist things now and your aguments are intentionally slippery (even childish). It is your personal attempt to discredit me... however, anyone reading the threads can see that my intentions are pure and equally important, scriptural. BTW: Do you realize what you are saying? If the translators of The Living Bible included Satan in 2 Cor 4:4 (I quote: "Satan, who is the god of this world...") and you are saying they are wrong to do that, I'm not sure the readers of The Living Bible are going to feel comfortable with your self-elevated stance for it discredits the integrity of The Living Bible... wow. (Texts from The Amplied Bible) 2 Cor 4:4's context shows that Paul is speaking about 'the Gospel (the glad tidings) being hid - covered up by a veil' in 2 Cor 4:3. That's why Paul revealed the one who is putting up this veil in 2 Cor 4:4. "For the god of this world has blinded the unbelievers' minds (that they should not discern the truth), preventing them from seeing the illuminating light of the Gospel..." Are you intentionally ignoring Rev 12:9 "And the hugh dragon was cast down and out, that ages-old serpent, who is called Devil and Satan, he who is the seducer (deceiver) of all humanity the world over; he was forced out and down to the earth, and his angels were flung out along with him." (BTW: Do you see how much of an influence Satan has? - he took angels (demons) with him when he was ousted from heaven. So, while always misleading mankind - remember the garden of eden?... he is confined to the earth doing this same thing. Apparently, it works.) This and my other threads shows why The Living Bible traslators identify Satan as "the god of this world" in 2 Cor 4:4. And, beyond that... most Christian religions teach this, so its not just me - give me a break. :) As a matter of fact, I have never found anyone who didn't believe this - you're the first. So, you are on your own Bro Tim. I've reviewed some of your replies to others in these threads and I can see that you are more interested in being right (in your own eyes) to see the truth right on the pages of the Bible. I don't care to reply to you any longer - I was hoping honest scriptural reasoning would help, but you don't dare go there... I can see that. Down the road you may see things differently... I've found that years of Bible reading and prayer always bring the truth forward - but it has to be done with a humble heart, believe me. Take care Bro Tim and your family as well. |
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67 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 134812 | ||
Interesting the last statement in this quoted excerpt from: http://www.revelations.org.za/Elohim.htm "First of all, 'God' is not a Name, like 'Peter' or 'John', but a Title - although most believers seem to think that the Name of the Most High is "God". If it is not a name, then there can be no question of whether it is a 'holy' Name or not, in the same sense as the titles: Priest. Master, Judge, etc. do not necessarily refer to exclusively holy offices, but may even be used in idol worship or devil worship. The Bible itself refers to Satan as 'the god of this world . . .' (2 Cor. 4:4; 1 Jo. 5:1)." |
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68 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 134805 | ||
I'm not sure what version of the Gk scriptures Tim is alluding to by his concluding remark: "Yet, your proof that there is in fact other 'elohim' is to apply 2 Cor. 4:4 to Satan, even though the name 'Satan' does not appear any where in the passage! :-(" Here's what the Living Bible (Complete Catholic Edition) says in 2Cor4:4: "Satan, who is the god of this world..." Interesting that this version of the Christian scriptures makes it plain who Paul was alluding to as "the god" of this world - none other than Satan! My other message threads contain the scriptual explanations of why these translators knew Satan to be the god of this world and didn't beat around the bush in identifying him. As we have seen, the pieces of the puzzle can never be forced into place, or else that causes other pieces not to fit and that's what Satan, "the [real and living] god" of this world wants. Compare 2 Cor 11:3. This god (Satan) is not like the gods mentioned in Isaiah that were made from wood. The scriptures indicate that those gods don't really exist (that is, from God's viewpoint... because remember, those worshipping wooden images believed they were gods!). However, there are other gods (i.e. Satan) that do exist according to the Bible. To deny this is to deny Biblical truth. Also, because the Bible is clear that Satan is the god of this world, the application that Tim has been making from Isaiah is like trying to force the proverbial square peg in a round hole. That scripture doesn't apply to 2 Cor 4:4. |
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69 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 132293 | ||
Your remark: "Where exactly does Scripture say that Satan is the god of this world? I was operating on memory when I responded to your post about 2 Cor. 4:4. That was my mistake! :-) I should have read it again. The word 'Satan' never appears in that entire passage! So, your assuming that it must mean Satan, but the Creator never actually said that Satan was the 'god of this world'." Bro Tim, it's clear to me from this sudden revelation to you - 'that Satan isn't actually mentioned in this verse' - that you do not make it a practice to understand the full Bible context (nor do you know your Bible all that well as it took you so long to realize that) and you are not reading my responses as sincerely as I have read yours. It should have been clear to you from Mt: 4:8,9 that Satan - the one offering Jesus all the kingdoms of the world and the one requesting Jesus to worship him - is in fact "the god of this world". (Compare 1 Jo 5:19 as well for another piece of the puzzle and there are others that you should know). It's not that complicated. Your responses take me back to an earlier assessment. It would appear you are more interested in proving your ideology (right or wrong) as opposed to letting the Bible explain itself - you know, forcing a piece of puzzle into the wrong spot, which automatically means the correct pieces have to be forced into locations that they don't belong... I perceive your response as nothing but a smokescreen and I think you know it. You're grasping at straws and simply trying to send the discussion into another direction. Again, you never proved your points to me... and that you would want to take on every Bible translator of Hebrew an argue where they put a capital G (to signify the only true God) is beyone me. Please take a time out and consider your motivations. I know when I did, it opened up a revelation of truth. Take care bro. Tim. |
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70 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 132232 | ||
Just a couple of other interesting reasoning points on this subject: When Satan took Jesus 'to the peak of a very high mountain and showed him the nations of the world and all their glory', Satan said to Jesus: "I'll give it all to you" "if you will only kneel and worship me". (Mt 4:8,9 The Living Bible) How did Jesus respond? 'No way Satan, you're not a god to be worshipped'. No, but Jesus did reference the written scriptures in reply to him. Which one? Not the likes of Isaiah 45:5 "I am Jehovah; there is no other God... I am Jehovah, and there is no one else". (The Living Bible) Obviously, Jesus knew Satan wasn't the Maker and Savoir of men. But Jesus did reference Duet. 11:16 in response to Satan: "But beware that you hearts do not turn from God to worship other gods." Notice that Jesus didn't even argue whether Satan was "the god of this world", but he did argue that Satan (one of many gods) shouldn't be worshipped based on Deut. 11:16 Interesting too is that the Bible calls Satan, "the god of the present age" (2 Cor 4:4 The New American Bible). "The" god of the present age (or world). So, the author of the Bible, our Creator, distinguishes Satan (a god - small "g") from all other "gods" as being "the" god of this world. I trust you see why I cannot except your explanations but want to thank you for trying. |
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71 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 132181 | ||
"All of these verses use the same word for 'god' - 'elohim'." - Bro Tim But, notice how all translations distinquish gods (small g in Hebrew) from God (Capital G in English); in each case, when God is captilized, it is referring to the Creator - which there is no other (we all agree with that statement). The reason? The context determines that. As you quoted from Isa "apart from me there is no God." You may want to review the context in all earnest. (Just trying to be helpful to you friend.) I've looked at your responses previously and presented some solid scriptural evidences which contradict your explanations. There are some "things" called gods that are made of wood/metal/etc. that are wrongfully worshipped and God forwarned about doing this... and some living beings called gods, like the fallen angel Satan who wanted Jesus to "worship" him in Mt 4:8,9 (sounds like a god to me). From your summary, you make it sound like blasphemy to call anything "a god" that isn't the Almighty God. Yet, I don't think the Creator was committing blashemy on himself when He identified Satan as "the god" of this world. Seems you might want to take that up with Him. :) You state: "I have never denied that Satan is called the 'god of this world'. However, I have denied that Satan is in fact a god." This is a play on word semantics. If Satan wasn't a god, the Creator wouldn't have labeled him one. Let me explain it this way. If someone worshipped Satan, as he wanted Jesus to do, you would be worshipping a god - not God Almighty - but as the Bible says, "the god" of this world. How powerful is this god? The Bible answers in 1 Jo 5:19 "We know [postively] that we are of God, and the whole world is under the power of the evil one". (The Amplied Bible) No wonder the Author of the Bible aptly warned against this powerful god when he said: "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of Christ, who is the image of God." - 2 Cor 4:4 (New International Version) |
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72 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 132093 | ||
To quote Bro Tim: "I am concerned with a system of false theology that teaches people that there are many gods." In all sincerity, that's why I have a problem with the supporting arguments and line of reasoning contained in many of these message threads. 2 Cor 4:4 is not "a system of false theology", it's the Bible and its author, the Creator, used the secretary Paul to identify Satan as "the god of this world" (The Amplified Bible). If I follow the reasonings explained by Tim in Isaiah, why would the Creator call Satan "a god". No need to response to this, because I believe we are going around in circles, but I hope you can at least see why I can't give up my viewpoint because the Bible (God) is clear about identifying Satan as "a god". It's in the Bible. |
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73 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 131072 | ||
Hi Brad, have you been reading my responses with an open mind? - I believe I present a Biblically logical case? Bro Tim has said: "there are things that are called 'gods' that are not really gods". I do believe that 2 Cor 4:4 (The Living Bible) "Satan, who is the god of this evil world..." is not open to interpretation. Satan is called a "god" in this verse. He is not like those idols made of wood and stone that were thrown into the fire and destroyed... to quote Bro Tim: Consider Is. 37:19 - "They have thrown their gods into the fire and destroyed them, for they were not gods but only wood and stone, fashioned by human hands." Satan is not a god of this type, made of wood and stone and fashioned by man's hands. That scripture that Tim uses is describing dead idols made by human hands and venerated as gods. Remember what happened at Exodus 32:1 KJV "And when the people saw that Moses had delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathering themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us." Of course whatever they made wasn't a "real" god, but to them it was "a god". That what the verse says. Satan, however, is one of those "living" gods spoken about in the Bible. To say he is "a god" doesn't make him God, the creator, of course. Bro Tim states: "calling something a 'god' simply doesn't make it one!" But, who originally called Satan a god, me? you Brad? Bro Tim? Not me for sure. However, the apostle Paul originally acknowledges Satan as a "god" in 2 Cor 4:4. He never qualifies it by saying that he isn't really a god; as a matter of fact, to revisit 2 Cor 4:4, Paul even called him "THE god" of this evil world. There's no doubt at all that Paul believes him to be a god and that is the thought he was conveying to the reader. Is not my argument Biblically logical, as well? - work with me Brad. :) I'm just kindly presenting a Biblical verse to something I believe shoots holes through the statement: "Jehovah several times denies that there are any other gods but Him" (Bro. Tim) The context of all those verses in Isaiah is clear. God is speaking from his identify perspective, to paraphase, there is not other god that can save you - again, one of the recurring themes in Isaiah. You could say of yourself Brad, that there is no other "me" - however, someone could steal your identity and make it appear they were you. So, just to make sure that I'm clear on Bro Tim argument, is he saying that although 2 Cor 4:4 identifies/reveals/discloses Satan to be "the god" of this evel world, he in not really a god? (Please don't bother with the elohim, that's a smoke-screen.) Lastly, the reasoning purported by Bro Tim are circular and even forced reasoning to me - square peg in a round whole - sorry, that's how it comes across to me (I'm just being honest). It just sounds like a bunch of double talk... I mean the Bible calls Satan "the god" and someone trys to reason that statement away? Why would the Bible call him "the god" if he wasn't a god. Sorry, these arguments presented to me by Bro Tim just don't convince me and even worry me that someone is trying to elevate their knowledge above clear Bible statements - I mean there's a condescening nature to the some of the responses. I don't believe Bro Tim means to be expressing it that way, but that's how it strikes me. Please don't take offense Brad, honest and upright disagreements can even test our own beliefs - not a bad thing if it brings us closer to the accurate knowledge of the Bible. Have a good evening... |
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74 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 131021 | ||
Ooooo, so that's what this is all about... you don't believe that Jesus is a god and you're trying to disprove it. I didn't read all the entries and was only responding to what I believe was contridictory to many scriptures that clearly articulate that there are 'other gods'. From your previous post, Bro Tim, you make the statement: 'let's start with this scripture (in Isaiah) and build from there'. I have discovered in my Bible research that no one text stands alone - or else you can make the Bible say just about anything (I've seen people do this). To explain a debatable scripture, you need to have other verses in the Bible do that. That's the difference between Bible understanding and interpreting the Bible. The Bible does a find job in interpreting itself. For instance, when the apostle Paul, writing under inspiration said, "They do not believe, because their minds have been kept in the dark by the evil god of this world..." 2 Cor 4:4(Good News Bible), this verse doesn't fit into your argument that there are no other "real" gods. You can go back to those select verses in Isaiah all you want, but no scripture stands alone and that's why God supplied us with the entire Bible. Two things. 1) It sounds like you are going to a great extent to disprove that Jesus is not a god - now I see why you may be missing the clear statement from the apostle Paul in 2 Cor 4:4. The apostle Paul was inspired to write in that verse about a "real" god...in particular Satan, a powerful god in his own right because he blinds the minds of the unbelievers - Satan also convinced a third of the angels to worship and follow him. Remember that he tried to get Jesus to do an act of worship, too? A god Satan is and he acts like one. 2) Going back to the illustration of a puzzle piece forced into a place it doesn't belong... as long as that piece stays, that forces other pieces (2 Cor 4:4) not to fit - it's a domino effect. The result is that you never get a clear picture of the whole puzzle. Thanks for the feedback Bro. Tim. I'm not trying to convince you, just didn't want my points to be lost. I think this has been a healthy discussion, hope readers have enjoyed it. Signing off... |
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75 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 130994 | ||
You're very welcome Mary - keep up the earnest research and comparison's with other portions of the Bible. I found your comment interesting and very sincere: "I still am trying to fit 2 Cor. 4:4's use of god and what Tim is saying but am having trouble." I believe it can be explained in this way. When other scriptures don't support a viewpoint, it's like a piece of puzzle forced into a location - it really doesn't interlock and when you stand back and look at the overall picture, it's slightly askew and doesn't match the surrounding pieces - no amount of reasoning is going to convince anyone that the puzzle piece is in the proper place. If someone leaves that piece in place, it will only cause confusion to the overall picture and people who look at it closely will always reason, 'this piece isn't quite right, I'm having trouble seeing how it fits'. It doesn't fit because the Bible does say there are "other gods", however there is only 'one true God' and from that true God's perspective, there is not another true "God" (or 'there is not another me, God'). It's reasonable when you view it that way - otherwise, you have to do a lot of dancing to disprove other scriptures that clearly indicate that there are other gods. The reason tranlators translate the small "g" in Hebrew to upper-case in English "G" is because they understand this argument and want to convey the true meaning of the Hewbrew text into English, or else it really would be confusing. Wish you the best in your research! |
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76 | Still waiting.... | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 130927 | ||
I wasn't going to re-enter/reply (as previously stated) to this thread, but Mary... your sincere response urged me on. Bro. Tim responds that "basic logic demands that we start with the simplest statements first and then build from there." Here's another approach. Anytime a scripture (or portion of a verse) is extracted out of its context, read the surrounding verses for contextual understanding of the Bible to see what point is being established. Tim states, "It cannot be true that there are 'other gods' and are not 'other gods' at the same time! These are two contadictory statements." However, within Bible context, it can be true that there ARE 'other gods' (after all, why would God warn against worshipping 'other gods'), but no 'other [true] God'. Notice the capital "G" in the title "God" and singular nature in KJV Isaiah 45:21 "... there is no God else besides me". Interesting is the context of the preceding quote: "... there is no God else besides me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside me." These qualifying remarks clarify what this scripture is really talking about. God Almighty is called a "just God" and "a Savior". And here's the point, within the context there is no other true God, just one God in whom salvation lies - a recurring theme in Isaiah. I believe that Tim may be taking some verses too literal or not allowing the surrounding verses to explain the meaning. The surrounding scriptures highlight the issue that Isaiah is trying to present, there is only one true God. Of this true God, the sciptures saith: "I have made the earth, and created man upon it;" (Isa 45:12a), "a just God and a Savior" (Isa 45:21). Isaiah (under inspiration) is building a case for worshipping the only true God and Creator for note Isa 45:20 "Assemble yourselves together and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations; they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that CANNOT save." And, that's the crux of Isaiah's writing, there is no other God (capital G) other than the true God. Isa 45:5 (American Std. Bible) says: "I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God." (Interesting that when Bibles include the name of God, it becomes less confusing to the reader.) That there are 'other gods' though (small "g") is very clear from the Bible. The statement "false gods do not really exist" is a loaded statement. Molech was a god who was worshipped, he doesn't have to be real - just real to those who worship him. Of course, we know Satan is real and was called "...the god of this world [who] has blinded the minds of unbelievers..." - NIV 2 Cor 4:4 He even tried to get Jesus (in his weakened physical state) to worship him (imagine that!) - Mt 4:9 KJV "And saith (Satan) unto him (Jesus), All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me." I don't doubt that Tim believes in his interpretation of his quoted verses and I actually understand what he is saying - I just respectfully disagree because I surmise that they are taken out of context. Hope this is helpful. |
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77 | One God, One Jesus Christ | 1 Cor 8:5 | pcdarcan | 130726 | ||
Pushing ones own personal and denominational views Please limit, to the best of your ability, the known denominational biases that produce potential strife and undue conflict. Please avoid interjecting obvious denominational biases, especially when urged by peers to cease. Otherwise, it becomes a battle of wills, and only tears down morale and causes division. If we are notified that this situation is occurring we will review it and act as necessary. |
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78 | who was Jesus | John 1:1 | pcdarcan | 125179 | ||
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, the only Son produced by Jehovah alone. This son is the firstborn of all creation. By means of him all other things in heaven and earth were created. He is the second greatest personage in the universe. It is the son whom Jehovah sent to the earth to give his life for a ransom for mankind, thus opening the way for eternal life for those of Adam's offspring who exercise faith. | ||||||
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