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61 | By What Right Does God Rule Man? | Ps 2:11 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 188308 | ||
Hank, My question assumes a Biblical answer will be given. I just asked the question and answered others giving my thoughts on it. See note, #188302. |
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62 | Is It Human to Sin? | Gen 1:27 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 188306 | ||
Jeff, Haven't you heard, in passing, whether by a preacher or someone else something to the effect that we are only human and, therefore, can be expected to sin? I agree, such a statement does minimize and excuse sin. But why? Is it your position that Christians do not sin all the time, everyday? Is it your position that our created humanity has no bearing on our sinfulness? I ask questions with a view to discussion on certain points that I find interesting and wish to know if there are others with similar views. My intention is not to "stir the pot" or "an effort to foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or other disruptions" but to "sharpen iron with iron," primarily to either sharpen or change those views that I hold. Also, I may be misunderstanding another's views and discussions help to clarify understanding. I will admit, it seems to me that my views are not held by the majority. If the pot swirls, at it has for some, it is not - as far as I can see - my doing; it may be that some need to learn how to neither judge the questioner without warrant or feel threatened when certain questions are asked. As far as question I asked is concerned, it seems, one reason why I think we are behaving less than human - not as a human - when we sin is because God did not create mankind with the intention of their sinning against him; he made them without a sin nature although with a free will that makes the committal of sin possible. As such, as I see it, man does not sin because he is "human" but because he has "inherited" what is outside his nature as created, that is (what others call), a "sin nature". What got me thinking this way was my reading of Packer's (in 1973) quoting Baxter with reference to sin, writes that sin "does not make you more of a man, but less so; it brutalises you and tears you to pieces...We are only living truly human lives just as far as we are labouring to keep God's commandments; no further" (Knowing God, p.103). |
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63 | By What Right Does God Rule Man? | Ps 2:11 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 188303 | ||
See my note #188302. That God is Creator and powerful, to me, does not seem to be a legitimate and fundamental basis for God's right to rule; that God is good, more than anything else, seems to be what establishes God's the right to rule. Your thoughts? |
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64 | By What Right Does God Rule Man? | Ps 2:11 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 188302 | ||
PanJam, You said, "There is another reason, and that is His nature. God is pure, holy, sinless, and righteous. He only is Holy. By that fact, He only has the right to both rule and judge us." I agree. That God is good seems to me to be the overarching (over His being the Creator) and fundamental basis for God's divine right to rule. It does not seem to me that being Creator, in and of itself, does not give God a legitimate right to rule man. A father may beget children but if he is abusive, his children should be taken away from him and his right to parenting them be denied. What do you think? |
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65 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187992 | ||
I can't remember what i stated here. Just curious...did I say something that was deemed to be a "personal attack on the authority of the Bible or on other users of this forum, or seen as an effort to foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or other disruptions to this forum"? Would it be possible to send the what I stated to my email address and advise me how my response was offensive? I would like to avoid any cause offense in the future. I'm making the best effort to objective. |
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66 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187991 | ||
I could add many other things I don't deserve... | ||||||
67 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187990 | ||
Just out of curiousity...what do my own words say? | ||||||
68 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187956 | ||
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69 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187955 | ||
InGod, 1. To say, "...the sealing took place before the foundation. Of course the effect of that sealing was after salvation," seems to me just a convenient way in which to manipulate the verse to promote what it does not say. 2. If there is a relation between v.4 and v.13 is that (a) the former reveals the purpose of God having chosen and (b) the latter shows what persons - the "us" - were chosen, namely, those -"you" - who heard and believed. 3. Upon their "hearing" and "believing" God Spirit-sealed them, gave them the Spirit as a foretaste of His glory to be revealed and as a sign that guarantees His faithfulness to fulfill his purpose that they (1) should stand before him holy, and, thereby (2) receive their inheritance. 4. Putting these verses alongside wach other, I also see that what is contemplated in v.4 is God's purposes for believers and in v.13, God's faithfulness toward believers to fulfill His purposes. 5. One can say these are two of the strongest verses in the Bible on God's purposes for and faithfulness towards those who are believing in Christ. 6. As far as a doctrine of "eternal security" is concerned, that is not stated here, nor does it seem to be in the mind of the writer. The doctrine may be true but if it is, as far as I can tell, one will need to look elsewhere for Biblical support to find it. |
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70 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187954 | ||
InGod, 1. Are you assuming that because they are on a Catholic webpage, called saints by the RCC, the fathers of the Church you cited are Roman Catholic? 2. Are you saying that "many Christians" who "were not at all part of the system then known as the church" were the true Christians while those in the "system" were not? Let me just note that: (a) The first 300 years had no "system"; no form of institutional organization existed. (b) The early "universal church" of the first 300 years was not the same as the RCC as it developed after Constantine's rise and as it is today (and I have no idea what you mean by "original"). I think that such an assessment of the early Church, as stated in the last two sentences, is mistaken. To be sure, the RCC laid it's foundation from the early Church, but it drifted far away from early Church teachings in many respects as the Protestant Reformation, in seeking to protest against the abuses of the RCC, went too far the other extreme at certain points; instead of returning to apostolic doctrine and traditions as revealed in the Scriptures and understood by the early Church, the Reformation ended up with their own brand of erroneous teachings, e.g. the subject of free will and predestination. At least, that is my assessment of church history from the little I've read. |
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71 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187927 | ||
WOS, I was responding to what I believe was a misreading in Ep 1:13 made by Ps25. My response is related to the issue of "eternal security" because Ps25 used it as "proof-text" for it. |
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72 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187861 | ||
We need to resolve the issue of Ep 1:13 as to what it actually reads. You're just clouding the issue with what you call "proof-texts" and conversations between pastors you may have overheard. | ||||||
73 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187859 | ||
1. I hadn't discussed church history (whatever happened to sola scriptura?") except for menyioning Acts. That's jumping over the issue. I was discussing how the Bible reads. 2. Neither was I discussing "free will" or the lofty notion of "eternal security". Again, I was discussing the reading of Ep 1:13, the Bible. |
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74 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187852 | ||
Ps25, Are you familiar with or a scholar of NT Greek? 1. Apparently, you have not read my note correctly regarding Ep 1:13. The main point is that the verse does not read that God Spirit-sealed us "before the foundation of the world." That is you interpretation, which goes beyond the text. As I stated, "A simple reading of the verse shows the sealing occurs after hearing and believing." Your contention that "the scriptures are clear that it was done 'and sealed' in our case, thousands of years before we were ever born" has no support in either vs.13 or vs.4 of Ep 1. The phrase in v.4, "chosen before the world was made" (TEV), contemplates (1) believers, not specific individuals, and (2) within the context of purpose, sealing. There is no reference to sealing. 2. You say, "what God 'seals' cannot be 'unsealed'." Well then, it should also hold true to say, "What God 'grafts in' cannot be 'ungrafted'," which flies right smack against Romans 11. 3. That "that no man has ever sought God on his own," is off the subject and has no bearing on this issue. 4. You're appeals to logic seem to be attemps to squeeze a round peg into a square hole, which effectively results in illogical jumps to conclusions that have no bearing on how the text in question actually reads. 5. With all due respect, if this discussion is to go forward, the first three points in my note #187838 need to be answered, which you totally ignored, having gone through some other unrelated avenue of argument. |
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75 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187851 | ||
ebrain, 1. Please show in the Bible where an infallible assurance of final salvation is essential in order to be saved. 2. It is possible for one to look forward to heaven - that is, to be assured of salvation - without having the certainty that at the end of life they will remain saved. 3. And again, the question remain unanswered, how can one know with certainty that they are saved? |
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76 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187838 | ||
Please note, the KJV reads, "after ye heard...after that ye believed, ye were sealed". (1) It looks "past tense" to me but that's no indication of "before the foundations of the world". A simple reading of the verse shows the sealing occurs after hearing and believing. (2) The book of Acts gives practical demonstrations of the Spirit's reception (and, therefore, sealing) occcurring after one has heard and believed the message. Also, none of the apostles are shown in Acts to have preached a sealing - the receiving of the Spirit - occurring from eternity past as you suggest, but clearly shows the opposite. (3) Ep 1:4. It seems to me you are misreading the verse, effectively ignoring the testimony of v.13 (as it reads) together with that of the whole epistle. (a) The "us" refers to believers, that is, those who after hearing, believed the gospel. (b) The stress of the divine choice refered to here is not of specific persons but of a specific pourpose: that believers should be "holy" and "without blame" in order to stand before "him in love". (4) An interpretation, as you suggest,(1) upends the clear reading of the verse; (2) reverses the way in which the text shows salvation is to be procured ("order of salvation" as some call it); and (3) proposes what seems to be an invented explanation of the Greek grammer to support an otherwise foreign understanding of the the plain reading of the verse in question. (5) What can be "biblically refute(d)" is not "what this verse says" (since the translation is not ambiguous) but your interpretation of it. |
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77 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187835 | ||
CDBJ, (1) It seems the belief is that there is no indication of who, among the professing, are genuine Christians. Therefore, I say "professing Christians", which assumes all who confess the name of Jesus, whether or not, in reality, they are true believers. This assumption seems to be the consistent judgment of the NT (at least, the epistles were written on the assumption that the churches or persons reading them were genuine believers). Also, that "Jesus is the ultimate and there are no ifs ands or buts; Jesus paid it all!" is not being challenged. (2) Ep 2:8; Jn 3:36. That salvation is by grace and God gives eternal life to believers are not being denied, and neither are these the questions being discussed here. (3) Jn 5:10-13. If one professes to believe this, what assurance is there that their profession is genuine, that is, how can they be certain that they are included in what the 20 percent (as you surmise) of true believers? In any case, since it is agreed we are not to pass judgment, we must assume "professing Christians" are genuine believers. However, then, let me rephrase the question: How can one who believes in Jesus know for certain that they are now saved with the result that they will never fall away? (4) That the "true believer in Christ puts all of the responsibility for their eternal future in Jesus hands" is not in question; the fact of one the one professing being a true believer is the question. (5) Unfortunately, it seems to me that your response misses the point of my question and offers answers that, while they may be true in themselves, do not address the issue. |
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78 | Can you lose your salvation? | John 5:24 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187811 | ||
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79 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187808 | ||
Ps25, You said, "Those who are genuinely born again, have been sealed, by the Holy Spirit, before they actually were saved." Unless I am reading it wrong, the verse in the KJV actually reads the opposite: "after ye believed, ye were sealed." The NAS reads: "after listening to the...gospel...having believed, you were sealed." This verse, at least to me, shows God's act of sealing in the Holy Spirit as occurring after one listens and believes in Christ and not before. |
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80 | E-Security only for true believers? | Matt 7:21 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187807 | ||
I'll answer with two questions: Are not professing to be a Christian and assurance of final salvation two different things? Can one be a Christian and yet not have absolute and infallible assurance of final salvation? |
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