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61 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155729 | ||
Hi Mark, My point exactly, the written word itself is big enough to answer for the Living Word himself. John 1:1-4, Rev 19:13 Jesus is the one who was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, and his name is called the Word of God. Always In Christ, C.S.M. |
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62 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155728 | ||
Best authoritative reference? The Bible itself interpreted by the Holy Spirit. That's then excellent research. Seems mans interpretation is what got the Jews off in left field with God :) Always in Christ, C.S.M. |
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63 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155727 | ||
My personal experience has been, there is an extreme that is in the ditch on one side of the road, and another in the ditch on the other. I'd just rather walk in the middle of the road with Jesus and stay out of the extreme of the ditches. I Cor 8:2 The point here is, the Holy Spirit know specifically and can teach specifically each person on their level of understanding, man can't do that, even though they may or may not have many letters behind their name that man has put there because they agree with them. That is not to put down education from the natural standpoint, it's necessary, but when it concerns spiritual things, the Holy Spirit is "The Guide into all the truth," not learned or unlearned mankind. Sorry, the thought was it had answered with the scripture given. It is understood you agree to disagree About I Thes 5:23, but until God erases it, I still believe it. Didn't realize I could go on the lecture tours :) Don't change your belief for me, that's not important, just do it if God tells you to. Pompous? no. Dogmatic? Truth is always dogmatic. Perhaps the pontificating comes from both directions, with each perspective. Hope you got to class on time Professor. Always In Christ, C.S.M. |
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64 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155726 | ||
Hi Doc, I Cor 9:27 doesn't mention the will, only the body. Who is the, I, Paul is talking about? His spirit or his body? I don't see where you can conclude the will is implied? What is the scriptural basis? You are right,James 2:16 was not the correct scripture, the reference was I JOhn 2:16 so that would be confusing :) Yes, we do disagree as to the two part or three part being. All of God's word has to be considered in coming to conclusions and not just isolated parts, he knows more than all mankind put together and he is the revelator. I Thes 5:23 No one should have, and I know I did not have presuppositions. I came to my conclusions by study of the word. I had no clue mankind was spirit, soul and body, until I read it. Pre-suppositions come from lack of truth and Jesus identified the source of truth as God's word, not mankinds suppositions. John 17:17 That's good enough for me. Ro 1:20 What are the invisible things of him? Isn't it the spirit realm, the Holy Spirit, Heaven, hell, mankinds spirit (which is the image of God John 4:24, since God is a Spirit), thoughts of the innermost being of man. Actually I think we are of the same understanding on that issue. I don't know any Greeks or gnostic's :) don't know what they think so it couldn't be a hang-over. I Cor 2:13 is the heart of the New Testament teaching starting from John 1:33, John 14:26, 17, Acts 2:4, 33, 39, and many others as the purpose of the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit himself. Of course he teaches truth, so that is God's word, but he also give the revelation and understanding of this truth. I John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received of him (God the Father) abides in you, and you need NOT that ANY MAN teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie and even as it (or he) has taught you, you shall abide in him. Who do you say is the anointing? Where does the anointing come from? Who is the source of the anointing? Is it a someone, or just a something in your opinion? We know the natural anointing oil was used in the Old Testament, I realize the anointing is truth, as this verse says, but I also know Jesus is the truth, John 14:6, the Holy Spirit is the truth, John 16:13, and God's word, both living, written and spoken is truth. John 17:17. The truth is what we're after, so what is it, who is it, where is it, and who has it in your opinion? II Cor 10:12 seems to me to be a warning to all people who think they have all the answers of both the Spiritual and natural things as the examples from the previous scriptures (I Cor 10:1-12) that the Holy Spirit through Paul was explaining, for all mankind to read and take heed. verse 11 Now all these things happened to them for examples; and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. In reading what those folks did, they thought they had it all together and God said no they didn't. You do agree that man is both spiritual and physical (or natural)? Isn't it a fact that none of us know it all? II Cor 10:12 What that says to me from a personal level and in my walk with God is don't compare yourself with others. The way I view it is God gives each person their own things to accomplish for him. They are different and according to what he has given us, whether talents or whatever, specifically. If we look at someone else in the body of Christ and think they are doing more or less than we are, in either case, we would not be wise. As Paul continued he did not stretch himself beyond "our measure"...we each have what God wants us to do. Don't try to do the other persons job.. I realize some of these issues are considered by some as side issues to the original subject. I don't feel anything is a side issue and that all issues of life are connected in some way as a whole. See next note |
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65 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155564 | ||
Hi Doc, I Cor 9:27 "I" (the real Paul, his spirit) keep under my body, and bring "it" (my body) into subjection: Paul is saying his spirit must control his body and it's lusts and desires. James 2:16 warns about what we must resist, "all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." Who's going to keep you from doing this, God? No, it's up to you to recognize, and resist it. I Peter 5:8-9 tells believers "Be sober, be vigilant; because YOUR adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour; (9) whom (you) resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your breathen that are in the world (system of thought, word and deed)." John 4:24 Because God is a Spirit and we're made in his image Gen 1:27, it is reasonable to conclude that we are a spirit. Even from the natural standpoint, we know we have a mind, a will and emotions, and scripture teaches Ro 1:20 The invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are (already) made (and we understand naturally), even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they (all mankind) are without excuse. God makes the natural things we understand and compares them to the supernatural and spiritual things he understands, there fore it is another way God is able to communicate his life and life-style to uneducated, limited, mankind (that's all of us, in comparison to God). That's why it is written, "the Holy Ghost teaches" How? comparing spiritual things with spiritual. I Cor 2:13 and that discernment comes spiritually, from the Holy Spirit. II Cor 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. Paul said, including himself in the statement, "if any man think that he knows any thing, he knows nothing yet as he OUGHT to know." I Cor 8:2 Where does that put all the rest of mankind? Personally, I find the more I learn, the more I realize all the things I don't know, and how gracious God is for sharing what I can absorb, slightly. He saw I didn't have sense enough to come in out of the rain and he helps me, daily. We understand we have a body, if no other way except we see it daily! How can anyone say, the word doesn't mean what it says, when Paul, through the Holy Spirit said, "I pray God your whole spirit, and soul and body, be preserved blameless, unto the coming of the Lord." I Thes 5:23 If I can count, he names three parts..that makes up each individual person, for all ages and all times, according as it is written in God's word we are a three part being. I agree to disagree with your assertion that we are not three part beings. Always In Christ, C.S.M. |
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66 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155562 | ||
Hi Doc, Trichotomy (division into three parts) Parellelism (relation or position) Onotlogical (being, existence, reality) Are we trying to communicate to all or mask what we are saying? This is not to condemn, but I never see Jesus using the personal understanding he has to communicate to folks. He could bowl us all over with his understandings and no one could possibly get what he was saying! He uses the weak, beggerly elements to confound the wise. So everyone can understand, please use simple words when you communicate. Thank you and God's best to you. Always In Christ, C.S.M. |
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67 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155561 | ||
Hi Msbea, Jesus in Luke 11:37-44, was addressing the inward, hidden, wickedness of the "so called" (of themselves the) religious elete. These are those who like to play a religious game with people, but inwardly, Jesus saw and continues to see everyones heart, or inward parts. He knows how everyone thinks, not just how they speak. However, Jesus also admonished the multitudes and his disciples, concerning these leaders in another way because they "sit in Moses' seat". Teaching God's word, ways, means, and directions. Matt 23:1-3 The Scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses' seat" (3) All therefore whatsoever they bid you OBSERVE (out of God's word), that observe and do; but do not you AFTER THEIR WORKS: for they SAY and DO NOT. James 1:22 But be you DOERS of the WORD (of God) and not just hearers only, deceiveing your own selves... (only the doers are just before God Ezek 18:5) He is revealing to all mankind throughout all ages that it is not what anyone does or says, that is impressive to mankind, that will count with God, it is the motive and intent of the heart, or inward parts, from which that person is motivated. These were "leaders" that were self absorbed, holier than thou, motivated, and as Jesus said were hypocrites. What is a hypocrite? One who says the right things, but does not do what God says is the right things, through his written word. In addressing sin (or opposition to God and his word) to the Jews on every level Paul put it clearly... Ro 2:28 For he is NOT a Jew (from God's viewpoint), which is one outwardly: neither is that circumcision, which is outward "in the flesh": (29) But he is a Jew, (both natural and spiritually) which is one inwardly: and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; (The key?) Whose praise is NOT of men, but of God." This is in essence, the guist, of how God see's every person. If a person is a people pleaser, a self pleaser, a world pleaser, they will not be pleasing to God. The focus of every persons life must, according to these scriptures, be "am I pleasing to God?", "Am I obeying God?" Paul addressed this, by the Holy Spirits guidance, to reveal to us personally, how to determine if we are fooling ourselves in our walk with the Lord. No one "can" know how clean anyone else's temple is, the only one they can truely know is themselves, and how they are obeying God, in the fullness of the knowledge that they have of God and his word. Paul let them off the hook, slightly, Ro 3:1-2 and then said (3) "let" God be true (truth), but every man a liar; as it is WRITTEN, that you might be justified (freed) in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged. That takes in all mankind, when he said "every man" that is including one's self. In other words God knows everything about everything and everyone, he is our source, we are not our source of information, clealiness, or any other subject. It is he that has saved us, and not we ourselves. Therefore, we cannot focus on any other person, place or thing for our information, edification, or redemption. God will take care of the cleaning and the undefilement of your temple, which is your body with your cooperation, wisdom, and obedience to him. I Cor 6:19-20 What? Know you not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which you have of God , and you are not your own? (20) For you are bought with a price: (the sacrifice of Jesus Christ) therefore glorify God in your body, AND in your spirit which are God's (personal property.) Things that can defile are those things stated in God's word, that he says defile, such as Gal 5:19-21. That is not the only things but are some of the things. If you have a concordance, look up the word defile and read the word of God on that subject. He will enlighten your understanding of this subject. Always In Christ, C.S.M. |
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68 | God dosn't love everybody???? | Rom 9:13 | C.S.M. | 155496 | ||
Hi, Just evesdropping: thought you might enjoy this along those lines. Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. Some more provocation, C.S.M. |
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69 | God dosn't love everybody???? | Rom 9:13 | C.S.M. | 155492 | ||
Jeff, You are absolutely right, I agree totally! I also teach adults, so that is "the" ministry :) Because,I enjoy serving God through the teaching ministry gift he has given. All glory is his, not mine. Without him, I can do nothing...John 15:5. Jesus said,"I do nothing of myself" John 8:28, and further stated "The Son can do nothing of himself". John 5:19. That should burst some people's bubble. Jesus relied on God the Father to work through him, just like we have to rely on Jesus by the Holy Spirit to work through us. Amazing isn't it. We must remember, however, Jesus is our example, especially in this area, in God. May all the God given talents be blessed to the hilt. Always In Christ, C.S.M. |
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70 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155488 | ||
Hello to you CDBJ, Not at all. I realize that as an “earth walker”, we as humans are spirit, soul and body I Thes 5:23. We are a three part being, and God revealed that to us in his word, in my understanding, so that we could “rightly divide the word of truth” II Tim 2:15, in this area also. We understand that the spirit of man is eternal, it is in God’s image. John 4:24 “God is a Spirit”...it is his image! In fact that is why all spirits, saved or lost, will live forever. God is “The” eternal Spirit that created all spirits, so all spirits live forever, even satan and his demons according to the word. Saved spirits live forever in heaven, lost spirits live forever in hell. When the spirit of man leaves the natural body, we say the person “died”. From the natural standpoint, from our view naturally, the physical body no longer has “life” or the Spirit of the Eternal God ,John 1:4, within it, so it dies and decays. In other words, God is the source of all life, light, matter etc. yes, the spirit can be seperated from the body, and is, in a persons death. The soul, (the mind, will and emotions) are in tact with the spirit, otherwise the rich man in hell could not have known Lazarus, called out to Abraham to send him with water..etc.Luke 16:20-25, but we are aware the body “dies”while we are on this earth. The good news? Eph 1:14 speaks of “the redemption of the purchased possession” and Ro 8:23 speaks of “the redemption of our body” being the “adoption” spoken of in Ephe 1:5 It is the natural body which is in the “bondage of corruption (i.e. natural death)” Ro 8:21, 25 and it further states “we patiently wait for it” meaning the redemption of our natural bodies to incorruptible bodies. You will see this when you read the portions noted in context and ask the Lord to reveal it to you. Christ not only died to save our human spirits, but for our natural bodies at the resurrection, at the last trump, didn’t he. I Cor 15:50-57. It’s a win, win situation!! Is your profile in the record. I looked and I do not see that portion of the program on the site. I’m sure I’m overlooking it.. Always In Christ, C.S.M. |
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71 | God dosn't love everybody???? | Rom 9:13 | C.S.M. | 155447 | ||
Jeff, If there are no new seedlings, there wouldn't be any church. I believe the teaching of children is THE ministry of the church. I do not like to see them shuttled off into only playing games and watching cartoons. My fondest memory as a child was a radio program my mother found that had the stories of the old testament dramatized. I can remember trying to stay at the door as long as possible to hear the end of the story then having to run to get to school on time. I was about seven at the time and God was already planting seeds of faith in my heart by the teaching of his word. In Matt it tells us the three fold ministry of Jesus was teaching, preaching and healing. I find it interesting that the teaching always comes first. Children can learn the deepest meaning of scripture if it is given to them on a basis they can relate to in their young years. Always in Christ, C.S.M. |
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72 | God dosn't love everybody???? | Rom 9:13 | C.S.M. | 155432 | ||
Hi Jeff, Thanks for the adjustment, and of course you are absolutely correct. The language used does belong to Christ. My reason for using the A.S.K. scripture is that I teach very small children from 5 to 11, and they can understand that if they ask Jesus, he will do what they ask, in salvation and other areas of their life. It builds their trust in prayer to God, is simple to employ, and they should never forget, God never lies by using a.s.k. James said, You have not because you ask not... Always in Christ, C.S.M. |
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73 | Spirit Baptism | Acts 8:12 | C.S.M. | 155431 | ||
Hi Iktoose, Yes, the Holy Spirit comes and baptizes you into the body of Christ. The body of Christ did not exist until God sent the Holy Spirit when Jesus was exalted at his right hand. Yes, when a person asks Jesus into their heart, it is the Holy Spirits work to put them into the body of Christ (refer to the previous scripture given in the last post.) It is also the Holy Spirit that empowers them to be witnesses, or perhaps another way to say it is, fills them with Himself and gives them utterance, so they can speak to God in a heavenly language, by the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:4, And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, AND began to speak with tongues, (how?) as the (Holy) Spirit gave them utterance (or speach). Again Jesus said that was to empower believers Acts 1:8, and as you study the happenings when the apostles laid hands on people that same thing happened to them. It is what God told John would come, AFTER the Holy Ghost was dispatched to earth, AFTER Jesus went back to heaven. God didn't tell them everything. But Peter, whom Jesus said, had the KEYS to the kingdom of heaven, discerned what was happening. He recognized it was the fulfilling of Joel 2:28 where God had prophesied through Joel that this would happen in the future. Little did he know it would be thousands of years until that time. That was none of his business, it was God's, and he, as a prophet, had learned that God says some things that are pertinent to the day and also to thousands of years later. There is a five fold ministry, God set in the church, Eph 4:11 He gave some (not all) apostles, SOME prophets, SOME evangelists, SOME pastors and SOME teachers. Note he didn't say everyone would do those things.. Think about it, if everyone was doing the same thing, who would you minister to? Think of Israel, God chose one twelveth of the whole nation to be priest, not all 12 tribes! It's the same with the five fold ministry..Some, not all, are put in the offices. For what purpose? Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the building up of the body of Christ. Jesus was the first body builder. Arnold Swartznigger doesn't even hold a candle to Jesus :) Oops, being wordy again...sorry... No, all people do not have the same job from God. It is God's choice who is an apostle, etc, it is not just because a person decides to "be" an apostle. It doesn't work that way. Hope this is not to wordy...and we are on the same page. There is a work of the Holy Spirit in putting us into the body of Christ, there is a second work of the Holy Spirit to equip the church for ministry "TO" the body of Christ. Isn't that what the Apostles were doing? And yes, water baptism is an outward testimony to all people that your allegience is to Jesus Christ, but that the work has already been done BEFORE you were baptized. An outward show, of an inward change. The new creature God created is what saves you, the baptism is Johns, of repentance, water baptism, not this baptism for service. Always in Christ, C.S.M. |
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74 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155429 | ||
According to Jesus, he owns and has access to, everything that God has. Most people do not have a problem with that statement. But he didn't stop there. Jesus said, you have the same access to God that he has. Mind boggeling? Yes! But I didn't say it, the Lord Jesus said it. He knows, and revealed it unto the body of Christ, if they only believe what he said. Without giving you what God has showed to me, go to God yourself and ask him to show you everything he has for you as a believer. Be ready to run to keep up with him, because he will do what you ask in this area. After he shows you some things you didn't know before, let me know, what you have In Christ, through Christ, with Christ, by Christ and many other such statements in the New Testament. Happy hunting.... Always In Christ, |
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75 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155428 | ||
Hi Mark, All of Romans 1:1-32, in my understanding, is showing the downward "degeneration" of a human being, that is going farther away from God. It was not that they did not know God Ro 1:19, but the issue was, after they realized God exists, by the wrath of God being revealed, they "became vain in their imaginations (i.e. self-will), and their foolish hearts were darkened (turned to hatred, which is satan). Psm 14:1 The fool: has said in HIS HEART there is no God. If a person declares there is no God, from God's viewpoint, that person is a fool. That is where satan works the hardest is to keep mankind from coming to God. John 3:16 We should be asking God all the questions being asked here,James 1:5, and getting the pure truth from the study of God's word,John 17:17, and the revelation from God, James 1:21-22 in that process. Therefore they degenerated into idol worship, whether of their own wisdom, their flesh (natural) earthly appetites, which James 3:14-16, says is "earthly, sensual, devilish, wisdom." or just chose to be a Psm 14:1 person. The second question, as I perceive God's word, we are to go "from glory (understanding) to glory (understanding)" and be made in the image of God's Son Ro 8:29. How does he do this? II Cor 5:17 Therefore, if ANY MAN (that includes all of us) be IN CHRIST, he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Gal 6:15 For IN CHRIST JESUS neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature (avails it all). This new creature is the spirit of man, created of God, by the new birth of that spirit. I Thes 5:23, We are a spirit, we have a soul, we live in a body (an earth suit, designed for our comparatively short stay on earth. That is, compared to eternity.) No, God does not improve our flesh, that's our job, AFTER salvation only. You cannot work FOR savation, but there is much work on understanding, and becomeing doers of God's word, AFTER we are saved. I use the example of a baby being born into the world. They are helpless, uneducated, demanding, needy, growing, learning, maturing, through many stages of growth. That is how I see the salvation experience, and have experienced the salvation experience. I have come to recognize this is not a 30 second sprint, but a life-long, continual learning, changeing, growing, adjusting to fit God, endeavor. Think about it, when you were a baby you didn't know anything you know now. How did you get from there to here? By the process named above. God will never replace your self will. We must be willing, as Jesus was, and is willing, to be on this earth's surface with this testimony, "I came to do thy will O God." John 4:34, John 6:38 and many more statements of Jesus on this theme. This is testified in Phil 2:5-11 Paul speaking of the example Jesus left us to follow, Let this mind be in you...it is a matter of you "letting" or choosing to think like Jesus, speak like Jesus and do like Jesus AFTER you asked him to save you. There’s a difference between before and after! How do you do that? Read everything he said. Know that is who you are and what you are supposed to be doing, follow his example in every area of your life, and when God gets through with you, you'll be his exact image! Think you can't get there from where you are? That's no biggie for God. God is bigger than what's the matter, he is able (fit and qualified) to do exceedingly abundantly above ALL we ask or think. Eph 3:20-21 So just THINK BIG, don't limit God by what you think he can or will do. Just always base it on what he says we can have. If he doesn't say we can have it, we don't need it anyway. But just know, there are tons of stuff in the Bible for believers. If you are a believer, quit reading those things written to unbelievers. Say this to yourself, "I am in Christ, he is my head, I am his body Eph 1:22-23, therefore because my head is a believer, his body, (which is me),is a believer. I, as his body, have everything my head has." Don't believe that? Want a scripture for it? John 16:15 Jesus, our head, said, "All things that the Father has are mine: therefore said I, that he (the Holy Spirit) will take of mine (all the Father has), and shall SHOW IT UNTO YOU." Didn’t it just say he is our head and we are his body? Does your body go anywhere without your head? Or vise versa? No? Jesus and his body are the same way. C.S.M. see next post |
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76 | clean body natural and spiritual | Bible general Archive 2 | C.S.M. | 155421 | ||
Hi CDBJ, Section: Bible general General question: Difference between Flesh and Spirit, August 5, 2005 Section: Bible general Original Question how is a person to maintain a clean body in relation, to the natural and spirit. I Cor 15:39 All flesh is NOT the same flesh Ask then how many kinds are there? 1. Men 2. beasts 3. fish 4. birds 5. bodies; terresterial 6. celtial..glory; 7. of the sun 8. of the moon 9. of the stars God wants us to be able to compare, see differences, make right choices in what we experience on this earth walk we are taking. To do that he points out all flesh is not the SAME... In speaking of mankind, we know we have a natural body, made of what we call flesh. This flesh to operate has cells, bones, blood, organs, the things needed to run this flesh body. We also are a spiritual "body". I Thes 5:23 God points out there are other kinds of natural bodies and names them. God points out there are different natural glories for each. If you stop and think about what God names and how each thing works, you will discern that glory has to mean the usefulness of any given subject in this context. In another sense, from the spiritual standpoint, flesh is what Paul called it, "for I know that in me, that is, in my flesh is no good thing. (why Paul?)for TO WILL is always present with me." Ro 7:18 Here we see, self-will, is in opposition to God's will, therefore Paul called it (spiritual) flesh. The deeds (or works) of the flesh, are performed by mankinds self-will, not God's will. Gal 5:19 God's will is his written word on every subject. God's word is God's will. If that were not so, why are we reading God's word to find out what is right and wrong, according to God's will? We must understand, that when a person is born again, their flesh does not change, their self will does not change, it must be retrained by God's word. I Tim 4:16 "Take heed unto yourself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this you shall both save yourself, and them that hear you." John 8:31-32, God's truth is God's word, his doctrine, his will on every subject..and Jesus said, if you continue in the word, the word or God's truth will set you free...John 17:17 Because God's word is his will, no one can say, "you never know what God will do." He has it in the book, If all else fails...Read it again Sam. You will eventually get what God is saying, how to apply it, and you will have had your exercise.. Heb 5:13-14 For every one that uses milk is UNSKILFUL in THE WORD OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (God himself); for he is a babe: (14) BUT strong meat (God’s word on every subject) belongs to them that are of full age (mature in God and his word, his will), even those who BY REASON OF USE have their senses exercised to discern both good (i.e. God) and evil (i.e. satan). You don't want a garden of Eden experience where you lose out with God do you? You want a resurrection experience with the risen Lord, Jesus Christ, where you have a win, win, situation eternally. How do you keep a clean body naturally? Do the opposite of Gal 5:18-21. How do you keep a clean body spiritually? Do Gal 5:22-25 Always in Christ, C.S.M. |
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77 | Spirit Baptism | Acts 8:12 | C.S.M. | 155389 | ||
Hi Mark, To God be all the glory..thank you for your kind words. Always in Christ, C.S.M. |
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78 | Spirit Baptism | Acts 8:12 | C.S.M. | 155388 | ||
Hi Iktoose, 8-4-05 rest of the answer. Ask yourself, if Jew and Gentile were the whole of all mankind, where is God going to get this third class of people called the church? The obvious answer is, from the whole pool of people, the Jews and the Gentiles. I Cor 10:12, Eph 2:13-16. Back to Baptism: Again who was going to baptize mankind to be witnesses of God to all the world? John 1:33-36 God had told John that Jesus was sent to baptize with the Holy Spirit! Acts 1:8 said this baptism from Jesus, sent from God the Father, was power from God, through the Holy Ghost, to be witnesses to God the Father, and this baptism was NOT done by any man, it was done by the Lord Jesus Christ himself. Jesus is the baptizer with the Holy Ghost. John 1:33. There is a definite difference in water baptism done by a minister, a human being, and Jesus, the Son of God, baptizing a person with the Holy Spirit. Thus the story of Matt 7:9 by Jesus himself...”What man is there of you, whom if his SON ask bread, will he give him a stone? (10) Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? (11) If you then, being evil (unjust, merciless, prideful, disobedient Micah 6:8 the opposite of good) know how to give GOOD (just, merciful, humble, obedient Micah 6:8) gifts unto your children, HOW MUCH MORE shall your Father in heaven give good things to them that ASK him?” Do you suppose Jesus baptizing a person with the Holy Spirit is a good gift from his Father God to mankind? Yes, there is a two fold baptism, outlined in these scriptures, for two different purposes, In the examples given and in the original question. You see, in Acts 8:12, the baptism of repentance first spoken of by John the Baptist. In Acts 8:14-17 you see Jesus, through Peter and John, baptizing them with the Holy Spirit and power, as God said he would, after he was risen from the dead and seated at God’s own right hand. John 1:33, Acts 1:5. Who is this for? Acts 2:38-39 Peter said..repent, and be baptized in the name (or into the name) of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost. (39) For the promise (of the Holy Ghost baptism by Jesus) is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Always in Christ, C.S.M. |
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79 | Spirit Baptism | Acts 8:12 | C.S.M. | 155387 | ||
Hi Iktoose, Aug 4, 2005..rest of the answer Ask yourself, if Jew and Gentile were the whole of all mankind, where is God going to get this third class of people called the church? The obvious answer is, from the whole pool of people, the Jews and the Gentiles. I Cor 10:12, Eph 2:13-16. Back to Baptism: Again who was going to baptize mankind to be witnesses of God to all the world? John 1:33-36 God had told John that Jesus was sent to baptize with the Holy Spirit! Acts 1:8 said this baptism from Jesus, sent from God the Father, was power from God, through the Holy Ghost, to be witnesses to God the Father, and this baptism was NOT done by any man, it was done by the Lord Jesus Christ himself. Jesus is the baptizer with the Holy Ghost. John 1:33. There is a definite difference in water baptism done by a minister, a human being, and Jesus, the Son of God, baptizing a person with the Holy Spirit. Thus the story of Matt 7:9 by Jesus himself...”What man is there of you, whom if his SON ask bread, will he give him a stone? (10) Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? (11) If you then, being evil (unjust, merciless, prideful, disobedient Micah 6:8 the opposite of good) know how to give GOOD (just, merciful, humble, obedient Micah 6:8) gifts unto your children, HOW MUCH MORE shall your Father in heaven give good things to them that ASK him?” Do you suppose Jesus baptizing a person with the Holy Spirit is a good gift from his Father God to mankind? Yes, there is a two fold baptism, outlined in these scriptures, for two different purposes, In the examples given and in the original question. You see, in Acts 8:12, the baptism of repentance first spoken of by John the Baptist. In Acts 8:14-17 you see Jesus, through Peter and John, baptizing them with the Holy Spirit and power, as God said he would, after he was risen from the dead and seated at God’s own right hand. John 1:33, Acts 1:5. Who is this for? Acts 2:38-39 Peter said..repent, and be baptized in the name (or into the name) of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost. (39) For the promise (of the Holy Ghost baptism by Jesus) is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Always in Christ, C.S.M. |
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80 | Spirit Baptism | Acts 8:12 | C.S.M. | 155386 | ||
Hi Iktoose, Aug 4, 2005 Sorry I didn’t make myself clear to you, I’ll try again, with both of us agreeing that the Holy Spirit himself will guide us both into the revelation of these scriptures and mutual understanding more completely. My problem used to be that I put all things of scripture into one basket, shook it all up together, then poured it out and tried to make sense out of it. Scripture admonishes us to “rightly divide” the word, then tells us how we can accomplish that process. II Tim 2:15. This verse implies that if the word of God can be rightly divided, it can also be wrongly divided. Salvation, as most of us understand it (i.e. being born again), was not available until AFTER Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit, also called the anointing, in the Old Testament was only for the prophet, priest and king, of God’s choice. When Jesus declared he must go away so the Holy Spirit could come (in the New Testament) why was this necessary? John 16:17. It is my belief that it was because Jesus, being in the form of man, operating in the earth in total obedience to God the Father, filled the bill of “one obedient man.” Phil 2:5-11. Why was this necessary? God does nothing apart from his word, that is forever settled in heaven (i.e. it never changes, so it puts us in the position of needing change). Psm 119:89. Mankind, starting with the first Adam, was never “absolutely” obedient to God. Jesus was..he stated over and over in the New Testament in various forms of the same thought, “I came to do thy will O God.” John 4:34, 5:30, 6:38, Heb 10:5-10. The purpose of sending the Holy Spirit was, Jesus was confined to one body, his, and could only speak to the people in his presence in that body. The Holy Spirit however is everywhere present, in the whole world, and can speak to all of us at once, if he so desires. When God said, “forget not to communicate” it was not strictly for us, but it is the way he operates himself, communication on the “broad band.” The Holy Spirit, loosed into the earths realm, legally, from God, through Jesus, according to God’s promise in the Old Testament, set the stage for this communication between God and mankind, through the Holy Spirit .Heb 10:14-24, He was sent of God the Father, John 1:33, to Jesus, God the Son, John 1:34,36, to empower believers to believe all that God has written, through chosen men, to mankind, by the guidance of the Holy Spirit into all of God’s word, which is his truth. John 17:17. Acts 1:8. This set the stage for the gospel being preached, and God being able to send the Holy Spirit of truth to enlighten mankind with his words of truth. John 6:63. I John 2:27, 20. Jesus preached John 7:38, “He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (39) (But this he spoke of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the HOLY GHOST was NOT YET given, (why?) BECAUSE Jesus was not yet glorified.)” Jesus had not yet paid for the sins of the whole world for all eternity future, and sat down at God’s right hand, after God exalted him with the name that is above every name. Eph 1:21. I said all that to show the workings of God, for the benefit of mankind, and the destruction of the devil and his works I John 3:8. What has always been the works of the devil? John 10:10. Separating mankind from God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, starting with the garden of Eden, in any way he can, keeping them in a state of ignoring God, rejecting God, or refusing to believe that God exists! Baptism: Ask yourself, is there a difference between natural water baptism and supernatural baptism with the Holy Spirit? Is natural water different from the supernatural Holy Spirit? John stated there is definitely a difference. John 1:26, 31, Luke 7:29, Acts 1:5. John was baptizing with water unto repentance (toward God, for sins committed against God, themselves and others). Jesus said, “For John truely baptized with WATER, but you shall be baptized WITH THE HOLY GHOST....” Jesus himself told us there is a difference between baptism with water and baptism with the Holy Ghost.. Acts 1:5 “The baptism of the supernatural Holy Spirit was for power from God to witness of God’s truth all over the world. Acts 1:8. The natural water baptism was for the repentance of sins.” Is the Holy Spirit the instrument used of God to put us into the body of Christ, called the church? I Cor 12:13, Eph 1:22-23..most definitely. Here it is helpful to recognize another fact. In the Old Testament, from God’s viewpoint, there were only two classes of people. Jew and Gentile (Gentiles were also known as the nations.) When Jesus came, in the New Testament, he came to create another class of people, called the church, from God’s viewpoint. See next post....C.S.M. |
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