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561 | can you loose your salvation | Rom 8:28 | Sir Pent | 117729 | ||
Referral to another thread...................................... Welcome to the forum Lonnie, You have asked an important question that concerns a lot of people. It has been discussed a lot on this forum previously. Please type in the number 15952 into the "Quick Search" box at the top right corner of the screen. This will take you to a place where I shared my own experience of losing my salvation and some discussion from other forum members about it. |
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562 | can you loose your salvation | Rom 8:28 | Sir Pent | 117730 | ||
Correction.................................................. I apologise bjh, I meant to respond to Lonnie, and accidentally responded to your post. I also copied and pasted the wrong thing. I'm sorry for any confusion. |
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563 | Can we separte from God ourselves? | Rom 8:39 | Sir Pent | 116406 | ||
Referral to another thread........................................ Hello Medchill, This is a very good question. Please type the number 15952 in the "Quick Search" box at the top right corner of the screen. That tells about my experience and the rest of the thread contains further discussion on the matter. |
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564 | Reconciling Rom 8:39 with Heb 10:26 | Rom 8:39 | Sir Pent | 116615 | ||
Referral to another thread.......................................... There is an excellent post by Tim Moran that gives the best (in my opinion) interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 passage that you are talking about here, regarding IMPOSSIBLE REPENTANCE. Please type in the number 25332 into the "Quick Search" box at the top right corner of the screen. |
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565 | Reconciling Rom 8:39 with Heb 10:26 | Rom 8:39 | Sir Pent | 116618 | ||
Agree to disagree................................................... Hello again Kalos, I am beginning to lose track of who I have interacted with since my return to the forum. But in case you are not one of those yet, I would just like to say that it is good to see you're still here :) As for this discussion, I think that we'll have to agree to disagree. You obviously interpret the verse one way, and have quoted a couple sources that agree with you. I think that Tim Moran's interpretation is more accurate. However, you'll have to hash that out with him. I do not have the language expertise that he has, and could not defend his post nearly as well as it deserves. Read post number 25332 again and take time to think about Morant61's points. |
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566 | Reconciling Rom 8:39 with Heb 10:26 | Rom 8:39 | Sir Pent | 116888 | ||
Multiple beliefs on this subject..................................... The belief that Kalos is proposing in this thread is commonly referred to as "once saved, always saved". There are large numbers of Christians who believe that it is true that a person who has truly been saved cannot ever completely turn away from God and lose their salvation. There are also large numbers of Christians who believe that it is possible for a person to become a true Christian, and then later in life to change their mind and decide to reject God and His salvation. I believe that this second option is true (search for post number 15952). Those who believe this second option are often concerned by the verses Hebrews 6:4-6, and wonder if they can ever return to God after rejecting Him. I and other Christians believe that it is still possible to return to God (see post 257332). For anyone reading these posts, please keep in mind that both perspectives are considered to be orthodox. In other words, both are reasonable interpretations of scripture and have been accepted throughout centuries of church tradition. Therefore, please try to read support for both sides before coming to your own conclusion. |
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567 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | Sir Pent | 116893 | ||
Multiple beliefs on this subject..................................... The belief that Hank is proposing in this thread is commonly referred to as "once saved, always saved". There are large numbers of Christians who believe that it is true that a person who has truly been saved cannot ever completely turn away from God and lose their salvation. There are also large numbers of Christians who believe that it is possible for a person to become a true Christian, and then later in life to change their mind and decide to reject God and His salvation. I believe that this second option is true (search for post number 15952). Those who believe this second option are often concerned by the verses Hebrews 6:4-6, and wonder if they can ever return to God after rejecting Him. I and other Christians believe that it is still possible to return to God (see post 257332). For anyone reading these posts, please keep in mind that both perspectives are considered to be orthodox. In other words, both are reasonable interpretations of scripture and have been accepted throughout centuries of church tradition. Therefore, please try to read support for both sides before coming to your own conclusion. |
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568 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | Sir Pent | 116964 | ||
Personal Note........................................................ Hi Hank, They will know we are Christians by our love. And they see our love when they see kindness in the midst of disagreement. Thanks for your kind words. |
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569 | Just an intriguing topic | Rom 12:17 | Sir Pent | 18501 | ||
Dear KaLe, Welcome to the forum. I am glad that you have been blessed (as I have) through the thoughts that are shared here. Please feel free to add any insights that you have as you continue to fellowship with us. God bless! |
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570 | What exactly is Marriage? | Rom 13:1 | Sir Pent | 114024 | ||
My answer from 3 perspectives.............................. Hi God's Child 20, I have a few thoughts on your question. The first is that your friend is right, in a way. I will quote from a previous post of mine: "There are multiple passages of scripture that seem to indicate that the act of sex between a man and a woman is a God designed way of uniting them into one, just like marriage. For instance, in Exodus (22:16) and Deutoronomy (22:28-29), it says that once a couple has had sex they must marry. This process of joining a man and woman together was part of God’s plan from the beginning when he made Adam and Eve (Genesis 2:24). This idea is not limited to the Old Testament either. Jesus even refers to it in Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-8. Therefore, it seems that the act of sex is not limited to just the physical body, but also contains a deeper element that unites the spirit of two people in marriage." My second thought is that you are right, in a way. Jesus taught that we should give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's (Mark 12:17). In other words, we should obey the authority of the government as long as it doesn't contradict the authority of God (Rom 13:1-3). The authority says that we should have a piece of paper to be married, and God doesn't ever indicate that it is a bad thing to have a piece of paper to go with your marriage. Therefore, I believe that we should obey the laws of our land and get married legally before having sex. My third thought is that although sex may unite you with another person in God's eyes, no one else will no about it. I think that it is very healthy for a marriage to begin with a public commitment to a lifelong relationship. This is another good reason to have the ceremony. |
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571 | What about other countries? | Rom 13:1 | Sir Pent | 114090 | ||
My answer from 2 perspectives................................... Hello again God's Child 20, The first thing that pops in my head is the question, "Does your country have laws for marriage that require an official document, and recognition from an authority (Minister or Justice of the Peace, etc.)?" If your country does, then it really doesn't matter about other countries. The second thing that I think of is that all countries and cultures have some traditions and requirements for marriage. I would say that a Christian should follow them as long as they don't specifically contradict anything in the Bible. |
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572 | IN 1Cor.3:15 Is it the person or the wor | 1 Corinthians | Sir Pent | 13702 | ||
The interpretation of this verse requires the context of the verses preceeding it (see below). Some people would look at this individual verse and think that it says that everyone goes to Heaven. They would think that it says that the only difference is if one lives a holy Christian life they have a mansion there, and if one lives however they want (fulfilling sinful desires) that these works will be discarded and the person will slide into heaven anyway. When seen in context with verses 11-14, this is clearly not the case. This whole passage is specifically talking about Christians, because it speaks of building on the foundation of Christ (which the pagans and other religions do not do). Instead this is just comparing between people within the Christian faith who have lived lives of varying commitment to God. All will be saved becuase of their faith, but some will have more to show for their lives because their works were done out of the right motivations (love for God) instead of wrong ones (approval of men, selfish gain, etc.). 11: For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12: Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw -- 13: each man's work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14: If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15: If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. |
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573 | IN 1Cor.3:15 Is it the person or the wor | 1 Corinthians | Sir Pent | 13769 | ||
I'm glad to be able to help. We all can benefit from the ideas of others, and often that is how God speaks to us. | ||||||
574 | Any changes? | 1 Corinthians | Sir Pent | 18822 | ||
Dear JMR, I also do not think that the answers should be any different. One of the great things about salvation is that we are forgiven from our past. Therefore, in God's eyes, whether you were virgins or not in the past is irrelevant. What is important is that in the present you live your lives according to His will, and that is to not have sex outside of marriage. My one question is, "Why are you waiting 3 years to get married?" I would imagine that after a year of be so initmately involved with each other, and having both come to the truth of Christianity together, that two people would be ready to commit to spend their lives together. Of course there could be extenuating circumstances, but I'm just curious. |
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575 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Sir Pent | 60877 | ||
A Different View ....................................... Dear John, I know that your question was not addressed to me, but when I read it, I had a thought that I really wanted to share with you. The Calvinist perspective often gets hung up on the idea that if a human has to “accept” God’s free gift of salvation, then it takes away from the sovreignity of God or the effectiveness of Christ’s sacrifice. I do not believe that this hang up is neccessary. ....................................... Rather than seeing Christ’s sacrifice to be insufficient, and perceiving that as a bad thing, why not look at it as a grace of God instead. Here’s what I mean. God is almighty, and He COULD have made Christ’s death on the cross completely sufficient for salvation regardless of how any particular human responded to it. God could have said that because Christ died for the sins of the world then Tom over here is going to believe in Me and be saved no matter what Tom’s personal choice would have been. Meanwhile I will leave Jerry over there unable to believe in Me, and Jerry will go to hell, regardless of what his personal choice would have been. In my understanding this is the Calvinist perspective. My point is that God had the ability and COULD have set things up that way. ....................................... However, I believe that instead God chose to have Christ’s death on the cross be sufficient to take away the sins of anyone who accepted that forgiveness. This does not take away from God’s sovereignity at all. It is not that God was unable to save people without their “help” (even using the Calvinist perspective that simply accepting a gift is “help” or “work”). Instead it is that God chose to have salvation work that way. He could have set it up either way; He is in total control. Arminians just believe that He set things up to allow His creation to truly choose whether to love God and have a relationship with Him or not. |
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576 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Sir Pent | 60951 | ||
Personal Note .......................................... Lionstrong my friend, It is good to be in a thread together after so long. I'm really glad that you wrote this post, not that I agree with much of it, but after all these months I finally understand why you started that whole discussion we once had on the "rationality of animals" :) |
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577 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Sir Pent | 60952 | ||
A Different View ..................................... I agree with John that Scripture is and should be a higher authority than our ability to reason. However, I would suggest that the Bible is not completely clear on some subjects such as predestination and free will. In these cases, it makes the most sense to interpret the scripture with the meaning that is most logical, fits with church tradition, and our own personal experience (in that order). ..................................... I understand that my colleagues Joe, John, and Lionstrong have a way of seeing scripture that supports Calvinism. At the same time, my colleagues Mekarios, Tim Moran, and EdB have a way of seeing scripture that supports Arminanism. I don't think that any of them would say that the others are blatantly ignoring or contradicting an obvious teaching from the Bible. If it was obvious, it would not have been an issue for centuries in the church, for people smarter and closer to God than us. ..................................... So since both sides have extensive Scriptural support, it does not benefit anyone for either side to simply claim that their view is in the Bible and it doesn't matter if it makes sense or not. |
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578 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Sir Pent | 60957 | ||
Return To The Question ...................... Thanks for the clarification about Calvinist perspective. I don't think that I actually misunderstand it, but rather that I didn't explain my thought completely enough. I will try again. ................................... We both believe that God is sovereign and all powerful. Therefore, He could have created beings (humans) such as you have just described. They were all completely corrupted after the fall of Adam, and completely incapable of desiring relationship with God. Therefore, they would not choose God and would deserve Hell. Then God could, within that system, choose some of those beings as exceptions to that rule, and change them in such a way that they had to desire a relationship with God. Therefore, they would choose God and would deserve heaven (only by God's grace of changing them, and providing a way to salvation through Jesus). Thus everyone gets what they deserve (at least in one sense) ................................... However, it is also possible that God being sovereign and all powerful could have created beings (humans) that were actually capable of either desiring a relationship with God or not desiring it. Their nature could be partially corrupted so that they have a tendancy to choose to reject God, but still have the ability to overcome that first instinct. Then some of them would choose to love God and would deserve heaven (only by God’s grace of providing a way to salvation through Jesus). But others would choose to reject God and His salvation and would deserve Hell. Thus everyone gets what they deserve (in a greater sense). ................................... So now to the original question. How does believing the second option to be true limit the sovereignity of God? Since God could have set it up either way, He is in complete control either way. For that matter, assuming the Arminian perspective is correct, God could still change His mind at any point and remove the freedom to choose again. Although we don’t believe that God would ever do that, He could. I am not asking you to believe Arminianism is correct, I am simply trying to explain that it is a possible explanation that keeps God’s soveriegnity intact. ................................... It seems to me that it is like a parent watching their child on a playground, but letting them choose whether to go down the little slide or the big slide. The parent is bigger and stronger, and could easily bar the child from one slide or the other. But it doesn’t make the parent any less big or less strong for them to allow the child pick either one. |
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579 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Sir Pent | 60969 | ||
Answer To Original Question ............................. So how can any man be saved. I think that there is actually very little disagreement on the answer to that question. Those who agree with Calvin or Wesley would both say that salvation is only possible through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. They would also both say that the only reason why anyone would accept that forgiveness is that God draws us to himself. ......................................... Therefore, the scriptures that both sides would use, would be much the same. I did a quick search on the web and found the following two websites that cover the Wesleyan perspective on this including several scriptures: http://www.imarc.cc/harted4ap.html and: http://www.revneal.org/Writings/on.htm ......................................... The only difference is that Calvin calls this drawing "predestination", and says, that it is irresistable and limited to a select group of people. Wesley calls it "prevenient grace", and says that it can be resisted, but is poured out on all people. |
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580 | How can anyone be saved? | 1 Cor 2:14 | Sir Pent | 60975 | ||
Personal Note ......................................................... Dear John, I would appreciate a little more grace here :) I apologize if I missed an earlier post of yours that dealt with the exact same interpretation of this verse that I proposed. I admit that I haven’t read every post in this thread (of course, it is pretty long). Please let me know the post number and I will try to respond to it. ......................................................... I actually was not following this thread really closely for a while when it started, because it seemed to be just another thread in a long list of threads endlessly debating the Calvinist / Arminianist perspectives on this forum. For the most part, I have decided to just ignore those at this point. However, in this case, I thought there was a unique opportunity to try to bring some consensus between the two viewpoints. ......................................................... Thus my answer to your question that focused on the similarities rather than the differences. Then the response that I get from you is that my post doesn’t even qualify as an answer. Up to this point, I have found our discussion to be rational and gentle. As this is the first thread that we have had significant interaction with each other, and I have thus far appreciated your method of communicating ideas. I hope that this doesn’t indicate that you wish to start insulting my posts. |
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