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5121 | Inhabitants of kingdom on earth | Rev 20:4 | EdB | 30118 | ||
Kalos You said, "Second, there will be those Tribulation saints who escaped death and were preserved through the Tribulation to go into the kingdom of our Lord" Do you really think that is who Rev 14;1 is talking about? When I read about the Tribulation I don't see anyone that didn't take the mark of the beast coming out of it. EdB |
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5122 | Inhabitants of kingdom on earth | Rev 20:4 | EdB | 30153 | ||
Kalos I see what your saying, but I view verse 15 as a break point. Up until there Jesus is talking about the things that will lead up to the time of Tribulation then in verse 15 He talks about the Antichrist being revealed and then quickly jumps to His return. If we understand the Tribulation right the persecution of the church will not come into full play until after the Antichrist is revealed. Therefore the endure must mean something other than living through the tribulation. The "endure" to me means 'endures' or 'keeps' true sound teaching in the face of all the false teachers that were spoke about in verse 11. It is appears to be more of a word of encouragement than a threat of lost of salvation. Also I could go with the preterist view that this has already happened in 70AD and the great tribulation in verse 21 in not "The Great Tribulation" but rather the tribulation the church age is now experiencing. Which would tie back to verse 14 where it says the gospel will be taught all over the world, it isn't yet, almost but not quite. No I think to understand the Tribulation we have to remain in Revelation and within that book I don't see a person that does not take the mark making it through the Tribulation. EdB |
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5123 | Inhabitants of kingdom on earth | Rev 20:4 | EdB | 30157 | ||
Kalos I forgot to answer your question. No, I do not see a scripture that clearly says there won't be anyone survive the Tribulation that didn't take the mark. However do you see any scripture that clearly states there will be? To the best of my knowledge there isn't a clear answer one way or the other. In fact after much study of Revelation I doubt any with or without the mark will survive. Therefore I submit we may have the wrong idea about the millenium. EdB |
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5124 | Inhabitants of kingdom on earth | Rev 20:4 | EdB | 30188 | ||
Kalos I read the site too. I have an off the subject question have you or anyone else gotten a hardcopy of the NET Bible? What is it like? (bindings, page quality, margins etc.) As for the web site it is very interesting. But you have to remember it is written from a Dallas Theological perspective. That is not all bad it just means it reflects the teaching of Scofield and etc. One point they made is, the only way to take the Bible literally is to except their explanation of the millennium. I disagree, I probably take the Bible more literally than most and I feel their explanation of the millennium leaves many unanswered questions. EdB |
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5125 | "beheading" in modern times? | Rev 20:4 | EdB | 124865 | ||
To all Excuse me I missed a zero I meant to say there have been more Christians killed in the 100 years than all the years before that. In other words there have 75 million men and women and children killed in the last two thousand years because they called Jesus Christ Lord and of that total 45 Million have died in the last 100 years. While the Holocaust was a horrific event, tragedy and a shame to all mankind it's 13 plus million pales in the light of 75 million. In the last 10 years an average of 160,000 Christians a year are murdered, most at the hands of Islam. These numbers speak nothing of the thousands upon thousands that live in shadow of death as you read this or the still thousands more that are imprisoned, enslaved and being summarily mistreated around the world. There is a price for serving God, thankfully we here in the US haven’t had to pay our share. None of us really realize how God has blessed us and how apathetic we have become in thanking Him for it. EdB |
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5126 | First resurrection happens twice | Rev 20:5 | EdB | 239249 | ||
Searcher56 If I may I would like to suggest a book for you to consider in your teaching endeavor. Revelations Four views A Parallel Commentary edited by Steve Gregg and published by Nelson. ISBN 0-8407-2128-5 This is an excellent book that presents the four views of Revelation, Historicists, Preterist, futurists, Spiritualist view along with discussions on pretrib, midtrib, postrib and no trib along with Premillennial, Postmillennial, and Amillennial. The book does this in a fair and balanced way and anyone from any of the above schools of thought will find their position was thoroughly represented in an unbiased manner. |
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5127 | Who are the Gog and Magog? | Rev 20:8 | EdB | 21241 | ||
Tim I agree with most everything you said but I wonder about your conclusion of King Gyges as being Gog. In Ezekiel 38:2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him,” The scriptures refer to Gog as prince of the area or Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. Many have identified Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal to be the northern Africa, and the area we call the Middle East and the parts of southern Russia, Turkey and that area. Most of what we recognize as the Islamic world or area having the highest concentration of Muslems. Many times the term “prince” in the Bible is used to talk about demonic spiritual beings cf. Daniel 10:20. I wonder if the scripture isn’t talking about Islam and spiritual force behind Islam when it is talking about Magog and Gog. Just a thought. EdB |
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5128 | Who are the Gog and Magog? | Rev 20:8 | EdB | 21277 | ||
Tim Your right and I'm not willing to go to the stake over any of this. I just find it an interesting possibility also. EdB |
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5129 | Who are the Gog and Magog? | Rev 20:8 | EdB | 21365 | ||
Serenetime Awesome isn't it? Keep looking up!!!!! EdB |
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5130 | Who are the Gog and Magog? | Rev 20:8 | EdB | 21414 | ||
CDBJ Yes for members of the "everythng is wonderful" club which many Christians insist we are entitled to belong Luke 21:2-36 paints a completely different picture of reality. EdB |
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5131 | Who are the Gog and Magog? | Rev 20:8 | EdB | 21462 | ||
CDBJ If you want to learn more about modern day martyrs go to "The Voice of the Martyrs" at www.persecution.com. There are enough stories there to make so thankful we live in the United States EdB |
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5132 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225671 | ||
First let me make one little comment. I to support the idea that doctrine needs to be established in scripture but we must be careful we don't simply "proof text" ourselves to death. That said let us begin a thought process. Romans 3:23 (NASB) 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Haven't all of mankind been judged already based on this statement? If the righteous died we believe them to be present with the lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8 (NASB) 8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. And do we not believe the unrighteous that die go to a holding place called Hell or Hades where there is a hot dry place. Luke 16:19 passage Again doesn't that tell us there has been a judgment? Or this? John 3:18 (NASB) 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. What then keeps us from eternal damnation? John 3:16 (NKJV) 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Neither our works nor our sins condemns us what condemns us is our failure to accept salvation through Christ Jesus. Revelation 20:15 (NKJV) 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. So when I say the Unrigtheous aren't judged I mean because of the fact that all mankind has already been judged and found guilty and condemned to eternal damnation there is no judgement needed only the sentencing of those that failed to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. |
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5133 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225672 | ||
Perhaps if you had read my statement with a little less passion you would have seen I was echoing John 3:17-18 (NASB) 17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And I was not trying to sell a false religion. |
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5134 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225685 | ||
Beja Who is Acts written to? Pagans sure they can read it but it was written to the Christians and yes there will be a judgement of our lives. We are told our works will be thrown into the furnance and all stubble will be burned off and what will be left is pure gold. I believe at the BEMA Seat of Judgement each Christian will have his works judged as per all the places you cite in scripture. However for those that rejected Christ, there is no need to judge God has already declared them to be in sin as is all the world, what is left if you will is the actual excution of the their sentence which is to be thrown into the lake of fire. If a comdemned man is sentenced to die what is the point of judging all the sins that got him sentenced? One sin is no worst than another and to have any sin that is not under the blood of Christ means your name isn't in the book of life and the sentence is the Lake of Fire. What you are doing is proof texting your answer by supplying all the referenced to Judgement but you are missing the big point. We were all guilty of sin and the judgement of sin is death. That Judgement is over. But Jesus died for our sins and therefore to secure forgiveness of our judgement we must accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and trust that His death did pay for our sins. In other words we must have our names written in the book of life. Now if you want to believe looking in the book of life for our names is judgement okay I will go with that. But that's what it is going to come down for those that don't accept salvation through Christ Jesus. |
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5135 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225687 | ||
Before Christ what condemned man to damnation? Sin After Christ what condemned man to damnation? Refusal to accept salvation provided for by Jesus' work on the cross. What need to be judged? If you name is in the Book of Life you saved if not your going to the Lake of Fire. |
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5136 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225689 | ||
UNCLE I give. You are totally missing what I'm saying and that is unfortunate. You are right in what you saying about Rev 20 above but you are forgetting what John 3:16-18 (NASB) 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. is saying. The unrigtheous of the world are already judged by the fact they reject the salvation provided for them by Jesus Christ and His work on the cross. Judgement at that point is moot they have been judged, found guilty and are now condemned as seen in Rev 20:15 I think I have repeatedly said I wasn't making a new religion but I was looking at the big picture not just a handful of verses. The big picture those that go into eternal damnation is not because they sinned, we all sin. They go into eternal damnation because they refused the salvation offered to them in Christ Jesus by God's grace. No judgement needed it is done deal. |
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5137 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225699 | ||
Beja Okay I go with your idea but instead of starting with your proof text let us start with mine. Let us start in John 3:16 and apply the same form of study you want to apply to your text in Rev 20. Individual passages??? I believe my position and not yours is supportted by the the whole of the New Testament. That Jesus came not to Judge the world but to free it from Sin. Ask yourself what one condition decides the fate of person in eternity. The whole of the New Testament says it is his or her belief or lack of belief in Jesus Christ dying for their sins. In other words is their name written in the book of life since we know the instant you believe in Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior you name is recorded there. This and this alone decides the unrigtheous' fate. Jesus either died for our sins or He didn't. If He did what is left to judge as far as salvation? Does that mean the unrighteous never have to face their sins? Absolutely not, I believe the instant they die they become fully aware of their sins and their eventual reckoning. |
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5138 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225700 | ||
ariel Thank you, you get it!!!!!! Praise God |
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5139 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225711 | ||
Beja Is right I did say they weren't judged and with not further context that is incorrect and I retract and apologize for phrasing my statement that way. What I meant to say is what John 3:18 so very clearly says. John 3:18 (NASB) 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. What I really trying to say is our salvation is not based on the fact we only told little white lies, or robbed banks, or were mass murderers. Scripture clearly tells us we have all sinned and the penalty of sin is death. Someone could conceivably live a life that made Hitler’s atrocities look like school boy pranks in comparison, or a person that lived a life that would put Mother Teresa to shame but their fate would still be the same if they didn't accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. The fate of unrighteous does not balance on the number of sins, the awful the sins are judged to be, to our state of mind committing the sins. The only thing that is "judged" (there I threw that in for you Beja) if you will is the whether their name is in the Book or Life or not. Revelation 20:15 (NASB) 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. |
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5140 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225714 | ||
Perhaps that is your understanding of John 3:18 but in context with all of the New Testament that is not necessarily an accurate understanding. And oh yes your passion shows! |
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