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4981 | Does God love everything? | 1 John 4:8 | EdB | 97319 | ||
Makarios I wonder what can be done to prevent that from happening. Many threads are split this way because they cite different scriptures. I answered mine as a general Bible question and you choose 1 John 4:8. When I posted mine the system had not yet mirrored your post, so I had no idea the thread was going in a different direction. EdB |
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4982 | How do we know that God is love? | 1 John 4:16 | EdB | 127097 | ||
Aixen7z4 No mystery John 15:13 "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. That is exactly what Jesus did for us. EdB |
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4983 | Who is the 'lady'? | 2 John | EdB | 10873 | ||
This is going to make JVH0212 go ballistic. But let me add my two cents. Since Jesus put John in charge of His mother Mary's welfare and since church history has John taking care of Mary in Ephesis after his release from the Isle of Patmos. Could the 'Chosen' woman be Mary mother of Christ and he is warning her and her children of men that would profit from being able to say they were welcomed by Mary the mother of Jesus or one of Jesus brothers and sisters? |
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4984 | Who is the 'lady'? | 2 John | EdB | 10876 | ||
JVH0212 Chill brother!! ;-) Love you in the Lord Ed |
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4985 | Who is the 'lady'? | 2 John | EdB | 10898 | ||
JVH0212, I knew you would forgive me, your my brother!!!! Ed |
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4986 | Who is the 'lady'? | 2 John | EdB | 10902 | ||
Nolan What are you talking about? I didn't mock you! Ed |
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4987 | Who is the 'lady'? | 2 John | EdB | 10921 | ||
Steve It is a the same word both places but that word has many meanings. One use could mean chosen and the other a favorite. I'm not trying to defend my theory, I just know when I read that passage Mary and Jesus' brothers and sisters jumped into my mind. I saw this as a warning against opportunist that would say we have credibility we just came from Mary or Jesus’ brother Jude. Much like authors do today by including other well known personalities pseudo reviews of their books on the cover of it. It is not worth, nor am I willing, to go to the stake over this. Just a thought Ed |
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4988 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | EdB | 129139 | ||
mommapbs By definition Islam is 'an' antichrist. However I don't believe it has yet achieved the status of 'the' antichrist and I doubt it will by itself. However I do see it being embraced by the wrong factions and I can see if once combined with them it could easily become force by which the antichrist rules. I still think there will be a single man identified as the antichrist. |
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4989 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | EdB | 129140 | ||
mommapbs The church has a responsibility of educating the people, a task it sadly ignores for the most part. In fact critical thinking is almost discouraged by the church, but that is another subject for another thread on another day. That said however, any church that does not teach the basic philosophy of the major cults and world religions is deceiving itself and doing actual harm to congregation by not protecting the sheep. In that sense I think the church needs to clearly and concisely educate the congregation on Islam and the potential it may play in end times events. I don’t think we can be dogmatic and point to Islam and say with certainty this is the antichrist. However we can say this is ‘an’ antichrist and here is the fundamental beliefs of that false religion. Here in America particularly we view all religion as we know it, something you do on Sunday and trying hard not to be too bad the rest of the week. We do not understand, comprehend or appreciate the concept of a religion that is central in our lifestyle, where everything else revolves around it . We have no appreciation for the Islamic mindset. We know in our hearts if our clergy told us to kill our opposition we would smile, walk out of the church saying, “what was that!” and forget the whole thing. Therefore when you try show someone with that mindset how much control and influence these Islamic leaders have they smile and say, “wow that guy sure is a Chicken Little.” EdB |
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4990 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | EdB | 129193 | ||
I must step in to correct a misconception here. Doc you said, "Ecumenism that teaches the worship of unity even at the cost of truth. That would put us back under the authority of priests and popes, with no apology or consideration of the hundreds of thousands who were killed and tortured for trying to put Bibles in the hands of common people" First there was no where near this number killed and /or tortured during the period of reformation or because of it. In fact there have been about 80 million Christians killed since Christ. More have been killed since the beginning of the 20th century than all the previous 2000 years. Today 160,000 per year die. The majority of Christians killed were done so by Pagans, Romans, Barbarians, Mongols, Muslims and etc. As of late the vast majority are killed by Communists and Islam. The most accurate estimates put the number killed as a result of split between Catholicism and Protestantism in the thousands and nowhere near 100’s of thousands. It is now believed that more Protestants died at the hands of other Protestants the result of religious intolerance than died at the hands of Catholics. Second point there is absolutely no truth to the story the Catholic church kept the Bible out of the hands of lay people. The biggest factor that kept the Bible out of the hands of lay people was the cost. Before the printing press Bibles were hand copied and we can only imagine the cost. Consider also a years wages then were like a days today. People simply could not afford the Bible. Also most were illiterate. If hands a Bible they would have unknowingly used the pages for other things. When the printing press was invented, which right around the time of the Reformation, the Bible was already translated into English and many other languages. Which leads us to my third point. The reformation was not about putting Bibles in the hands of the people. It was about who would wield the religious, political and social power? Rome or the Kings and Queens of Europe. The men with religious convictions such as Luther and his 95 points became mere pawns in this power struggle. The Protestant church emerged not in unity but as churches started by various political rulers in defiance of Rome's excommunications. Personally I was convinced the Catholic Church discouraged lay study. However after meeting Emmaus and going to the many websites he often posts I find that that Catholic church in many cases offers more and higher quality teaching than most Protestant groups. I have began to sample Catholic TV and with the exception of actual services or masses I find the quality of their discussions, teachings, and general information to far exceed TBN and the likes. I truly believe that while is a common belief among the protestant community, it is also false that the Catholic church discourages religious study and Bible reading among it’s adherents. EdB |
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4991 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | EdB | 129211 | ||
Doc you said, “Ecumenism that teaches the worship of unity even at the cost of truth. That would put us back under the authority of priests and popes, with no apology or consideration of the hundreds of thousands who were killed and tortured for trying to put Bibles in the hands of common people.” While you did not mention the Reformation, from this description I think it was a fair assumption. However it was just that, an assumption, and if that isn't what you were referring to, I apologize. I did not write off Luther as a mere pawn I said he became a pawn of the power brokers of the time. The Reformation was about who was going to rule Roman or the autocracy. I hope your not saying the peasants were better off under serfdom. TV of any kind is not my perspective of Reformation, however having studied the Reformation for many years my perspective of what people perceive the Reformation to have been has changed as of late. I never realized the false information that is held by the general Protestant church in reference to the Reformation. Nor did I ever say you will never hear lousy theology on Catholic or any TV for that matter. In fact I would be surprised if the Catholic church didn’t have as many people talking through their hats as does the Protestant church. I will agree there are men on both sides of this issue that have a true and genuine love for the Lord. |
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4992 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | EdB | 129214 | ||
Regarding your second point, please look up the biographies of men such as John Huss, John Wycliffe, John Purvey, Martin Luther, William Tyndale, John Rogers, and others. Each of these men sought to put the Bible in the languages of the common man. Each were denounced by Rome. From the Tyndale web site. Although the Bible was available in the vernacular in much of Europe, the only version of the Scripture tolerated in England was St. Jerome’s Latin translation which dated back to the 4th century. It was thus a closed book even to most clergymen. Tyndale was determined to make God’s Word accessible to all men. Was this Rome's doing or was it the doing a corrupt head over the church in England? Notice the wording although the Bible was available in the vernacular in much of Europe. Vernacular means the common language of the region. From the Huss website, Meanwhile, Huss had begun to denounce various church abuses in his sermons. His disputes with authority did not concern basic theological issues, but rather matters of church discipline and practice. The custom had arisen, at celebrations of the Lord's Supper, of distributing the consecrated bread to all Christians in good standing who desired to receive it, but restricting the chalice to the celebrant alone. Huss denounced this restriction as contrary to Holy Scripture and to the ancient tradition of the Church. He also held that Church officials ought to exercise spiritual powers only, and not be earthly governors. In 1412 his archbishop excommunicated him, not for heresy, but for insubordination. (The real problem was that Huss supported one papal claimant and the archbishop another. Huss's candidate was ultimately declared to be the true pope.) Matters came to a head when one claimant (later declared unfit) proclaimed a sale of indulgences to raise money for a war against his rivals. Huss was horrified at the idea of selling spiritual benefits to finance a war between two claimants to the title "Servant of the Servants of God," and said so. Notice the middle sentence in this paragraph, “He also held that Church officials ought to exercise spiritual powers only, and not be earthly governors” Once again the crux of the situation. Wycliffe was never persecuted for his translation of the Bible into English. He was teaching at Oxford and fired for teaching against the church. Wycliffe website. Luther his life born 1483 posts his 95 theses 1517 Excommunicated 1520 diet of worms trial 1521 translated the Wittenberg Bible 1531. I really don’t think the publishing the Bible in German was what got him into trouble. Incidently both Luther and Calvin was caught up in the politics of the time. Luther endorsed the bigamous marriage of his supporter, Prince Philip of Hesse. He denounced reformers who disagreed with him in terms that he had once reserved for the papacy. Shelley, B. L. (1995). Church history in plain language (Updated 2nd ed.). Dallas, Tex.: Word Pub. He also supportted a German autocracy in their murder of thousands of German peasants that rose in rebellion to the autocracy. Calvin's action against Servetus was more political than anything else. I see no point in going on. These men were in trouble with Rome long before they published any Bibles and the publishing of the Bible was not the problem. I too stand on the facts of history however I seek a balanced and truthful rendering not the rewrites done by people with an axe to grind. EdB |
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4993 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | EdB | 129216 | ||
Doc you said, “Ecumenism that teaches the worship of unity even at the cost of truth. That would put us back under the authority of priests and popes, with no apology or consideration of the hundreds of thousands who were killed and tortured for trying to put Bibles in the hands of common people.” All the battles you mention had nothing to do with getting the Bible into anyone’s hand. Also the numbers are greatly inflated. During this period an army was considered a great success if it could muster more than a couple thousand men. Almost every scholar of History refutes the highly inflated numbers claimed killed in the inquisitions. I heard a recent discussion on this issue and the man addressing the symposium (I can't recall his name) I'm told is highly respected expert. Told of his research and discovery of the record of names sent back to Rome of victims of the inquisitions the number while I can’t recall the exact number was under a thousand. The numbers supposedly killed in the Inquisition are just the like the Salem witch hunts numbers. People (fiction writers and Hollywood) have this number at totally unrealistic levels, I have heard that hundreds died in Salem, however documentation proves the numbers to be in twenties and possibly lower. I never once said Rome’s treatment of Protestants was benign. That sir is exactly what you accused me of, putting words into your mouth. I explained your charge of me doing this was based on me making an assumption and I apologized for that. I can see nothing anywhere in my post to you which can even remotely lead you to this assumption in what I said. Yes I have read Fox’s book of Martyr’s many times. I don’t think that is the issue here. The issue is the Catholic church while reluctant to just let anyone translate the Bible was not actively involved in preventing or discouraging lay people from Bible study. While Rome had many faults and certainly needed reformation this false charge should not be laid its feet. Your also right the Catholic Church does teach in areas of the Bible that a clear understanding can not be reached that the church’s explanation should be accepted. I see this as being about the same as any denomination doctrinal statement, Statement of beliefs or the issuing position papers refuting something that may be effecting the church today. Personally I find most bickering between denominations abhorrent to Christianity and believe that perhaps there should be one deciding body to provide one clear position rather than having 3000 and trying to ignore the hypocrisy of it all. Let us stop this before it goes any further down hill. If you or anyone else wants to believe the Catholic church oppresses it’s people to keep them from reading or studying the Bible. I say go for it! Burn the Pope! For those that agree with me that the Reformation started out as religious reform and ended as political power struggles I say great. Are you going to convince me? Absolutely not! Am I going to convince you? Most probably not! That said I would say that should you or anyone make a post that I consider not being true I will offer a post to refute your position. I hope you do the same for me. EdB |
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4994 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | EdB | 129227 | ||
I guess that is one way to dismiss the facts that refute ones claim call them biased. :-) The main thing to remember is the world’s population of the time and the fact inflated reports often followed battles. It was good propaganda. About 4 years ago Rome apologized for its part in inquisition. Since then many Vatican, Protestant, and secular researchers have explored this issue and have found that most of the figures were inflated by as much as a 1000 fold. In one report from the town of Cordoba, I believe, it was reported that more people were tried and found guilty and executed than the total population of the city of the time. In fact the total number examined in Spain was found to be 125,000 with less than 1 percent ever leading to execution. I would point you to some Catholic documents but I’m sure you would dismiss them as biased. So I won’t bother however you should know the findings of these documents have be scrutinized and found accurate by impartial researchers. I state this to set the record straight and in NO WAY is this meant to excuse or justify even one death let alone this number, however it is a long way from 100’s of thousands to 1250. I personally feel even one death in the name of Christianity is one death too many and I pray such infighting and bickering never results in this again. I believe it is a shame on the church and I pray it would be a lesson from which we all learn. EdB |
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4995 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | EdB | 129290 | ||
Doc I never said these men weren't excommunicated. Nor did I say the they weren't persecuted. The point I was correcting was all these didn't happen to them because they we trying to get bible's into the hands of common man. That is the one and only point I was contesting. Incidently your right Calvin wanted a more merciful death but death none the less. Yes let us let history speak for itself! During one low point in Calvin’s influence, in 1553, the brilliant but erratic Spanish physician Michael Servetus sought refuge in Geneva. Servetus was fleeing Catholic persecution for his heresy of denying the doctrine of the Trinity. He arrived in Geneva just as Calvin’s enemies were challenging his authority. While Calvin wanted a more merciful death than burning for the heretic, he did support the silencing of the ill-balanced thinker. Servetus was burned at the stake and many in later generations remembered Calvin primarily as “the man who burned Servetus.” Two years later Calvin’s position in Geneva was secure, and until his death he had no serious opposition in the city. For Calvin, however, Geneva was never an end in itself. He considered the city a refuge for persecuted Protestants, an example of a disciplined Shelley, B. L. (1995). Church history in plain language (Updated 2nd ed.). Dallas, Tex.: Word Pub. EdB |
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4996 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | EdB | 129293 | ||
Doc Okay check http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5218373 http://www.summerlands.com/crossroads/remembrance/_remembrance/00000081.htm The death toll from the Spanish Inquisition was about 2500, total over 350 years. There are two good books on the Inquisitions, one by a secularist named Peters, and one by a Jewish historian named Kamens. Excerpt from slashdot website. In 1972, we learned that that was exactly what someone *had* done. Two historians -- Norman Cohn and Richard Kieckhefer -- independently discovered that _Histoire de l'Inquisition en France_ was a forgery. They learned that Lamothe-Langon was a noted forger, writing fake autobiographies of numerous 18th century notables. He claimed that his book was based on unpublished documents given to him by a famous French librarian, but Cohn found a letter in which this librarian stated that this was not true -- there were no unpublished sources. And under close examination, errors appeared in Lamothe-Langon's supposedly "ancient" documents. For instance, the inquisitor he said presided over the trials wasn't an inquisitor at the time the panics supposedly occurred. For these and dozens of other reasons, historians today are confident that these 14th century trials never occurred. There were no mass trials before the 15th century, and there never was a craze where 400 women died in one day. B4. It's not right to compare American and European Witch hunts. America's persecution was just a pale shadow of what happened in Europe. American Witch hunting was as intense as European Witch hunting. In fact, when you compensate for its low population, New England hunted Witches as fiercely as Scotland, one of the worst countries in the Burning Times. Many older texts say that American Witch hunting was vastly different than the persecutions in Europe. Why? Because back before trial verdicts were studied, historians assumed that tens of thousands of Witches died in most European countries. (See the death toll pages for more information on why this assumption is wrong.) America's trial records were well-preserved and well-studied. Historians have long known that 37 American Witches died. And it seemed obvious that 37 American executions was nothing like, say, 70,000 deaths in Scotland. Once historians studied trial verdicts, they learned that our early estimates of the European death toll were far, far too high. Most European countries killed hundreds of Witches, not tens of thousands. America had a tiny population and it wasn't colonized in the first two centuries of the Burning Times. When you compensate for these factors, you find that America hunted Witches about as intensely as the moderately fierce portions of Europe did. In a relatively short period of time, America killed more Witches than several European countries, including Iceland, Portugal, Ireland, and Russia. Excerpts from http://www.summerlands.com/crossroads/remembrance/_remembrance/00000081.htm Once again I don’t mention this to condone or excuse Rome or anyone else for that matter. I simply was trying to set the record straight. Let me repeat one death is one death to many especially when it is done under the guise of Christianity. EdB |
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4997 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | EdB | 129295 | ||
Doc I evidently have hit a nerve and I will now back off. Have a blessed day. EdB |
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4998 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | EdB | 129396 | ||
No problem my brother EdB |
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4999 | Help!! | 2 John 1:10 | EdB | 74252 | ||
Taleb On this I would have a tendency disagree with your stance. Witnessing to JW that come to our door, while I won’t say it is useless because God can do the impossible, facts show it is nearly useless. They have been extensively trained over the course of many years to respond to every Christian exception of their teaching. In fact they will modify their teaching should it provide a stumbling block not easily avoided. As seen by the rewrites to the New World Translation and the Book of Mormon. I fancy myself somewhat of a Christian Apologist having received a little training in that area. I also have had my share of discussions with JW and other cults. These things I have learned unless you totally understand Christianity they are more likely to leave you with questions, than you them. Secondly anytime you do hit a sensitive area they will go back to their Elder who was extensively trained to address any problem. Third if they return from you often enough with questions you will be placed on their list and they will have no further contact with you. I know I watch JW and Mormons skip my house and my next door neighbor (preachers kid) and hit the other houses. Fourthly I have never heard of a dye in the wool cultist reclaimed from JW or Mormons except by the hand of the Holy Spirit. It wasn’t a Christian’s Apologetics but rather a hand of grace extended by God. For these reasons I think unless your extensively trained to answer their questions and concerns, and it takes more than a class or two, a Christian would better serve God by witnessing to his agnostic friends. I have seen faithful but ignorant Christians drawn into their deception over and over but I have seldom heard of the reverse. I'm not saying we should fear them or hate them, or even be nasty to them, but we need to let them know we are not open to their religion. Then offer if they would like to know the truth we are willing to share (not debate) ours with them. EdB |
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5000 | Is it because we are afraid that the per | 2 John 1:10 | EdB | 74268 | ||
Robert You hit the nail on the head. We are also in a day of dumbed down Christianity where many people don't know what the beleive or why, as proven by this forum. EdB |
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