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421 | To whom do we belong? | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 74257 | ||
John Sorry I took so long to respond. I agree that there is a remnant of the faithful who have not become lukewarm, compromised the true message, or have become like the church of Sardis, who though they had a reputation for being alive, in name only had actually become dead spiritually. But even they had a few who remained faithful. Blessings New Creature |
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422 | To whom do we belong? | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 74256 | ||
Hank - Since my time is limited and I have a back log of mail that I have not had the time to answer fully, I will however take this moment to address part of your response at this time. Concerning Heb. 6:4-6 you said - "The author gives further indication that he may have been speaking of a purely hypothetical situation that did not pertain directly to his immediate readers in v. 9, because he says, "But, beloved, we are confident of better things (than what he described in the foregoing passage) concerning you," There is nothing in either the language or the context to indicate that the instances of apostasy cited in Heb. 6:4-6 are only hypothetical. Those who hold to the unconditional eternal security position take this text to say that “this is not a warning of apostasy, but rather a warning against imagining that apostasy is possible.” Their reasoning comes from Paul’s statement “But beloved, we are persuaded better things of you.” They fail to reckon with the transition from the third person (those, they, and them) in verses 4-6 to the second person (you) in verse 9. The writer is persuaded of better things for “you” not “them” Hopefully I will have nore time in the near future to answer more fully your questions. Sola Scriptura New Creature |
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423 | To whom do we belong? | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 73736 | ||
John Simply stated; After reading many of the commentaries, I see the trend is that even notable commentary authors can't even agree with each other. I have compared what the teachers of the past as well as what the modern teachers of our day have put in black and white, with the clear teaching of the Bible as the Holy Spirit guides and have yet to find a single commentary that is Scripturally accurate. I am not saying everything that is in the commentaries is unBibical. The problem as I see it is that many subtle errors that have no Bibical justification are found in every commentary, and in many instances mis-lead. That is why I personally put no trust in man's word. Just keeping my nose in God's word, and TRUSTING that the Holy Spirit will give us discernment, and help us spot truth from error, is what is needed today. IN my experience, many churches which have Bible Studies, or small cell groups, can't even do a Bible study these days without running to the nearest Christian book store to purchase Bible studies which are not rooted in a Bibical perspective, but rather in a denominational perspective. We live in the days of an aphetic, lukewarm, and even apostate church, which only desires to hear itching words that will tickle their ears and make them feel all tingly inside. If I sound negative, thats because I only see negative things happening within EVERY church I have tried. But then we know what God's word says will happen in the last days, and how there will come a falling away BEFORE the Lord's return. 2 Thess. 2:1-3 Blessings New Creature |
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424 | To whom do we belong? | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 73666 | ||
John from your reply I post the following "You might be surprised by the differences I have with my denomination. Nevertheless, I praise God for the Presbyterian Church (PCA) which has remained faithful to the Bible and to Jesus Christ." If you "have differences from your denomination, and you praise God for the Presbyterian Church (PCA) which according to you, has remained faithful to the Bible" Whose perspective is correct, the PCA, or yours? And if you truly believe in Sola Scriptura, and you answer the PCA which you insist has been faithful to the Bible, then your final authority is not actually Sola Scriptura as you claim but a denomination, no matter how loudly you protest. No church or denomination is the final authority on Scripture, although I realize that isn't what your trying to imply here. Unless I am mistaken, then please feel free to correct me. AS far as your last question to me is concerned the answer is option number 1 which you listed, because as I said, nothing I say will convince you of my Bibical perspective, and nothing you can say can convince me that your perspective is correct. I insist on believing God's word, rather than men and their commentaries, which by the way don't even agree with each other. That in itself should be an eye-opener for you to toss them out, and get back to your Bible alone, then let me hear you chant Sola Scriptura. Blessings New Creature |
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425 | To whom do we belong? | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 73614 | ||
John We taked about this topic before. I don't expect you to see things the way I do. I look at things from a Bibical perspective, instead of from a denominational perspective, which I am afraid is how you arrive at your theological stance. Throw away the commentaries and use only your Bible and trust in and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you into all truth Blessings New Creature |
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426 | To whom do we belong? | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 73553 | ||
John the letter to the Hebrews, is written to Jewish Christian’s. They are converts from Judiaism to Christianity, and are warned about returning to Judiaism. In Hebrews, the writer refers to his readers as brethren. Heb. 3:1,12; 10:19; 13:22, because the writer acknowledages them as Christian brothers. Hebrews contains warnings to these converts. Nevertheless they were Christian's Other warnings to these Jewish CHRISTIANS found in Hebrews are: Also take notice of the use of pronouns in these warning verses For this reason WE must pay much closer attention to what WE have heard, so that WE do not drift away from it. Heb. 2:1 how will WE escape if WE neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to US by those who heard, Heb 2:3 Heb 3:12 Take heed, BRETHREN, lest there be in any of YOU an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are WE, if WE hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. Take heed, BRETHREN, lest there be in any of YOU an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. (Heb. 4:6,12) Let US labor, therefore, to enter into that rest, lest ANY MAN fall after the same example of unbelief. (Heb. 4:11) let US hold fast OUR profession. (Heb. 4:14) Hebrews 6:4-6 4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. Let US hold fast the profession of OUR faith without wavering ... For if WE sin willfully after that WE have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for OUR sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge HIS PEOPLE. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Heb. 10:23,26-31) Now the just shall live by faith: but if ANY MAN draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. (Heb. 10:38) For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not WE escape, if WE turn away from him that speaketh from heaven (Heb. 12:25) Blessings New Creature |
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427 | Can a person lose salvation? | Bible general Archive 1 | New Creature | 73447 | ||
John from the following statement you made I feel led to ask you a question. You said "If I believed that my salvation rested on a decision of mine, then I could see the writers point. But, because I believe my savlation was a decision made by God." Were you saved before YOU repented and believed? Did God repent for you? Did God believe for you? Is it possible for one to be saved without repenting and believing? Blessings New Creature |
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428 | John 15:2, "cut off" or "lift up"? | John 15:2 | New Creature | 70558 | ||
Joe Correct me if I misunderstand you here. It appears that you think that the intended audience to which John 15 is addressed is the 11 remaining apostles, and not to all believers in general. John 15:2 says "Every branch in me" is by "Every branch" only meant the 11 apostles? Now to address a couple of the questions which you presented "What do you think Jesus means by "bearing fruit," and do you think this means that we maintain our salvation by our works?" I think that believers need time to mature or ripen. A branch first begins to bud, then flower. The flower becomes fruit, and in time ripens. Fruit in the believers life is evidence that he/she is abiding. So you ask "do we maintain our salvation by our works?" Actually the works are not ours, but His as we yield ourselves to His molding influences. Without Him we cannot do anything. Or as John 15:4 states: "the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine" Titus 3:15 says; "they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works." So works are an essential part in the life of the believer. We do the works because we have been saved. Then you asked: " Do you think we keep his commandments because we abide in Him or that we abide in Him by means of keeping His commandments?" It should be each believers desire. Keeping or obeying the commandments is proof of our love for Christ. John 14:21 addresses this: "He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loveth me" In another passage Jesus asks" "why do you call me Lord, Lord, and do not the things I say" I think Jesus was directly speaking to those who professed to be followers of Christ, the lack of obedience on their part was proof that their profession was false. Next you ask: "How do we as human beings have control of whether any "fruit" that we bear will remain and flourish after it has left our control?" We give up control. We merely surrender, and cling to him. He produces the results, after we surrender our wills in obedience to His higher will. But being free moral agents we have a choice to either surrender control to Him, or refuse to yeild control to Him. Abiding is a two-way relationship. "I in Him, and He in me" John 15:4 In John 15:6-7 we find conditional statements: on the negative side: "If a man abide not in me" 15:6 on the postive side: "If ye abide in me" Right there is the two possible results which would seem to speak about our responsibility in this whole "abiding" process One last comment concerning John 15 In John 15:2 we see mentioned two types of branches. 1)those IN HIM that do not bear fruit 2) those in Him which do bear fruit. Both branches are said to be "in Him" When the branch is separated from the vine, the source of life is gone. NOTHING CAN WITHER AND DIE THAT HAS NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN ALIVE. Let me rap this up with some other Scripture on this topic for your consideration every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. (Matt. 3:10 and Luke 3:9) Ye shall know them by their fruits. (Mt. 7:16) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Mt. 7:19-20) Grace and Peace |
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429 | John 15:2, "cut off" or "lift up"? | John 15:2 | New Creature | 70556 | ||
BradK I respect your thoughts on this. The problem as I see it with saying "airo" in John 15 means "lift up" as some claim is that it just doesn't mesh in this text. The reason "lift up" appears as an impossible substitution for the Greek "airo" is mainly due to what the following verses say. Why if these branches are lifted up, as some claim, do we see them becoming withered, and gathered to be burned in verse 6? Can you provide an answer? Grace and peace New Creature |
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430 | John 15:2, "cut off" or "lift up"? | John 15:2 | New Creature | 70508 | ||
Xjjeeper Once again in John 15:2 there is mention of two types of branches. Only the ones that continue to bear fruit are the ones that are pruned, in order that they might be healthier and to promote more growth. Of the second type of branch mentioned in John 15:2 are those that are taken away, or lopped off. They are lopped off because while they were once grafted in, in time they were discovered to be fruitless. Once again John 15:6 clearly states what becomes of these lopped off fruitless branches. That verse plainly says that once they become withered, they are gathered and thrown into the fire and burned. Read it once again and especially see the two outcomes for the two different types of branches Grace and Peace New Creature |
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431 | John 15:2, "cut off" or "lift up"? | John 15:2 | New Creature | 70507 | ||
Thanks Joe So let me ask you if I may. How do you personally interpret these verses in John 15? Grace and Peace New Creature |
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432 | John 15:2 takes away...? | John 15:2 | New Creature | 70484 | ||
BradK Bruce Wilkenson like all other eternal security advocates have no choice but to attempt to revise the clear rendering of John 15:2 and 6. If "lifts up" was intended as what was meant by "airo" then I would think that at least one translation would have made the necessary adjustment. The fact is not a single translation renders "airo" in John 15 as "lifts up" Here is how various translations have worded the verses in John 15 which you mention. Different Bible Versions rendering of John 15:2 and 15:6 King James Version - taken away in verse 2 and cast forth in verse 6 Amplifed Version - cuts away in verse 2 and thrown out in verse 6 New American Standard Version - takes away in verse 2, and thrown away in verse 6 NIV Version - cuts off in verse 2, and thrown away in verse 6 Contemporary English Version - cuts away in verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 New King James Version - takes away in verse 2 and cast out in verse 6 The Living Bible Translation - lops off verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 Revised Standard Version - takes away in verse 2 and cast forth in verse 6 Todays English Version – breaks off in verse 2 and thrown out in verse 6 Gideons International Bible Version - cuts off in verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 Weymouth Translation – takes away verse 2 and thrown away verse 6 Youngs Literal Translation – take it away verse 2 and cast forth verse 6 Darby – takes it away verse 2 and cast out verse 6 World English Bible – takes away verse 2 and thrown out verse 6 Websters Bible – taketh away verse 2 and cast forth verse 6 Basic English Bible – takes away verse 2 and becomes dead verse 6 J.B.Phillips New Testament Version - removes in verse 2 and broken off in verse 6 The Jerusalem Bible Version - cuts away in verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 The Greek word for take in John 15:2 is "airo", which means "to lift, (see Gen. 40:19 N.I.V. - "Within three days Pharaoh will lift off your head") carry, take up or away. It is also use in John 1:29 of Christ as "the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world," and the same use of the word can be found in 1 Cor. 5:2 which reads: "And ye are puffed up, and have not rather morned, that he that has done this deed might be taken away from among you." (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words) In John 15:2 the word away is used in connection with various verbs such as "take away" and is translated "away with" implying a forcible removal for the purpose of putting to death. (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary Of Old And New Testament Words) In John 15:2 there is mentioned two different types of branches - 1) those that do not bear fruit 2) those that bear fruit Of type number 1 it is said that these fruitless branches are taken away. Only of branch type 2 is there made mention of pruning to make it healthier. For more info on what becomes of the fruitless branches you need only look at verse 6. These fruitless branches that were taken away, or as verse 6 says "cast forth" have become lifeless and withered. There is no longer any sap or life in them. The only thing these dry withered branches are good for is as verse 6 says to be burned. That doesn't sound like being lifted up or supported to me. It is only when men twist the clear teachings of Scripture around that they could possibly say "airo" in this instance could possibly mean "lift up" Careful study of the text will plainly reveal that it says no such thing! |
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433 | Two aspects of the will of God | Matt 23:37 | New Creature | 70475 | ||
kalos Here is a couple of interesting comments concerning the different aspects of God's will that I found, in a book titled; "Life In The Son" - by Robert Shank "All that occurs within the universe is within the permissive will of God. Neither men nor angels nor devils can go beyond the limits of God’s permissive will. But it is by no means true that all that occurs is in accord with the perfect will of God." "It is evident that there are two aspects of the will of God with respect to sin: His permissive will allows it; but His perfect will forbids it and will bring all sin into judgement" "Numerous Scriptures reveal God’s perfect will to “have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth” (1 Tim. 2:4); but the fact that not all men are saved reflects God’s permissive will. If a man is saved, it is in accordance with God’s perfect will that all men should be saved; if a man is lost; it is in accordance with God’s permissive will that men, being free moral agents rather than mere puppets, may refuse to obey Him. The latitude between God’s perfect will and His permissive will is the area within which men function with freedom as responsible moral intelligences, accountable before God in solemn judgement. As moral intelligences created in His image, men must of their own free will concour in God’s redemptive process" Here is what I personally conclude about the different aspects of the will of God. So we might say our God given freedom is limited within the bounds which lie between God’s perfect will and God’s permissive will. Peace New Creature |
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434 | Churches | Phil 3:3 | New Creature | 69191 | ||
John I took the liberty to read your profile. I hope you will allow me to ask you one question about your doctrinal beliefs. I realize that this is getting away from the subject a bit. My question concerns your statement on baptism You said PS USA believes the following "Baptism is a sign of God's covenant and is properly administered to children of believers in their infancy as well as to those who come as adults to trust in Christ." How can that statement be reconciled with the following Scripture? And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. (Acts 8:36-38)? It appears at least from this text that water baptism is intended for those who believe; "those that believe with all their heart" the eunuch mentioned here said; "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." It appears to me from at least the above text from Acts, that water baptism is for those who believe. Should children who have not believed be baptized also? Can you give me some scripture to support this doctrinal statement of the PC USA? Grace and Peace New Creature |
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435 | Is the Work of Christ Sufficient? | Rom 6:23 | New Creature | 68335 | ||
Robert Thank you: And May God bless you as well New Creature |
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436 | Genesis 11:7 Who is "Us"? | Gen 11:7 | New Creature | 68325 | ||
Concerning different languages When God created Adam, Adam spoke every language in the world. Of course there was only one language in the world at that time to the best of my knowledge. But then, this is only my bad attempt to add a little humor to this thread. Blessings New Creature |
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437 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 68324 | ||
Lets not read more into "He is able" than what is written "He is able" means exactly that. The secondary part that must be considered is: Are you willing? Or since becoming saved are you now a puppet, or robot, that is unable to still make choices? Blessings New Creature |
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438 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 68312 | ||
You said: "It’s all up to him, and he is able. I am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed to him." I could say to 600 people; I am able to take you from New York to London, if you get aboard my ship, however if somewhere in between New York and London, one of you either fell over board, or jumped over-board and drowned, that would not reflect negatively upon my ability to have taken you all the way to London. I still would have been able to get you to London had you remained aboard my ship. The other 599 people remained in the ship and I was able to take them the full distance to their final destination. Blessings New Creature |
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439 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 68236 | ||
Nobel Kam Aixen concerning your statement; "eternal life to those who believe. This is based on the fact that they have repented of sin and does not yet depend on their future faithfulness and service." If eternal life does not depend on remaining faithful to the end, as you have suggested, then the Bibical teaching about persevering in the faith, and running the race of faith is just taking up unnecessary space in Scripture. I feel the need to remind you that the hero's of the faith mentioned in Heb. CH. 12 not only started out in the faith but they also persevered in the faith until they died. They also died in the faith, Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. and have been set forth as our example to follow. Heb 12:1 ¶ Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Faith is about endurance, and is for those who remain faithful and are overcomers. Rev. 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. |
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440 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 68234 | ||
Thanks BradK I have looked at the meaning behind those verses Here is an added bonus for you and others Especially interesting is the last paragraph Different Bible Versions rendering of John 15:2 and 15:6 King James Version - taken away in verse 2 and cast forth in verse 6 Amplifed Version - cuts away in verse 2 and thrown out in verse 6 New American Standard Version - takes away in verse 2, and thrown away in verse 6 NIV Version - cuts off in verse 2, and thrown away in verse 6 Contemporary English Version - cuts away in verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 New King James Version - takes away in verse 2 and cast out in verse 6 The Living Bible Translation - lops off verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 Revised Standard Version - takes away in verse 2 and cast forth in verse 6 Todays English Version – breaks off in verse 2 and thrown out in verse 6 Gideons International Bible Version - cuts off in verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 Weymouth Translation – takes away verse 2 and thrown away verse 6 Youngs Literal Translation – take it away verse 2 and cast forth verse 6 Darby – takes it away verse 2 and cast out verse 6 World English Bible – takes away verse 2 and thrown out verse 6 Websters Bible – taketh away verse 2 and cast forth verse 6 Basic English Bible – takes away verse 2 and becomes dead verse 6 J.B.Phillips New Testament Version - removes in verse 2 and broken off in verse 6 The Jerusalem Bible Version - cuts away in verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 The Greek word for take in John 15:2 is "airo", which means "to lift, (see Gen. 40:19 N.I.V.) carry, take up or away. It is also use in John 1:29 of Christ as "the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world," and the same use of the word can be found in 1 Cor. 5:2 which reads: "And ye are puffed up, and have not rather morned, that he that has done this deed might be taken away from among you." (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words) In John 15:2 the word away is used in connection with various verbs such as "take away" and is translated "away with" implying a forcible removal for the purpose of putting to death. (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary Of Old And New Testament Words) Blessings my friend |
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