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41 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | richilou | 10776 | ||
If you understand the meaning of the word hermeneutic, I think, however that you seem to fail to apply it in the interpretation of a passage. When Paul made an allusion to the praying the tongue of angels, he didn't mean that it was a "reality" in the eyes of God, as a THING TO PRACTICE. It is there that hermeneutics comes to our rescue. First, we must keep in mind the real purpose of Paul in that chapter and not forget the real problem the Corinthians had with the gifts of the Spirit, more than likely the one of tongues. Follow the reasoning of Paul (not mine) here. He began the chapter in the words he finished the last (LOVE). But he says immediately, that prophecy was "preferable" to the tongues, not according to him or to God, but because of the corinthian trouble. Right? Why can we say that? Because they missed the point of the gifts in general and he wanted to reestablish the foundational goal that the gifts of the Spirit were for the edification of the saints, right again? Now, follow the rest. He said this: "For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God; for no man understandeth; but in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. Now, of what mysteries was he talking about? It is in the sense that it is incomprehensible to the common man or the common language of the church. But now, the trap that so many fall in is this. They think that in saying that, Paul was promoting a spiritual exercice called "praying in tongue" and that, just because they see the expression "speaketh not unto men, but unto God". But, why did he say that? What did he mean by that form of argumentation. My friend, hermeneutics help us to know that in the times of Paul, the rethorical form of language for purpose of argumentation was very much used and above all, by the rabbinical way of teaching (do not forget that Paul had been trained at the feet of Gamaliel). So it was normal for him to borrow the same way of language when he tried to make a point very clear. But, once again, what did he mean by "speaketh not unto men, but unto God"? Here is the answer. The Corinthians have the tendency to forget the goal of spiritual gifts and Paul is saying that if there is no edification at all, you don't have any right to pretend that you do the best thing according to God. But the main point is the following. Verse 2 is another way of saying this: "Dear Corinthians, when you speak in tongue the way you seem to do, you are in reality not speaking to men that would have the right to be edified, but it is AS THOUGH YOU WOULD SPEAK TO GOD, BECAUSE IN THE WAY YOU SPEAK, THERE WOULD BE ONLY HIM THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND ANYWAY, SINCE NOBODY IN THE CHURCH UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU SAY BY YOUR WORDS". Do you get the point he tried to make? He wanted to show that a mysterious language is good when it is accessible to others by the way of interpretation, and nothing else. But, for them it was totally the contrary; nobody was able to understand because there were not always good interpreters in their midst. So the second verse is a way of saying: "Hey Corinthians, for the sake of God and for the sake of your brothers in Christ, be not foolish in saying things that only God could understand. Remember that God would like you to practice in such a way that everybody would be able to get the mysterious message. Mysterious until it is interpreted correctly. That is the key of the passage and the help hermeneutics can give. | ||||||
42 | Can a woman speak in church? | 1 Tim 2:15 | richilou | 10765 | ||
The thing I noticed is that, in reality, we believe the same thing concerning the point you made in your response. But I just wanted to say that even though words are important they are often used in another way that we could have thought. As you said: "In essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, and in all things charity." | ||||||
43 | Can a woman speak in church? | 1 Tim 2:15 | richilou | 10736 | ||
Welcome! | ||||||
44 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | richilou | 10735 | ||
I think that we differ deeply in our hermeneutic principle guidelines of interpretation. I would like to know, first on what ground you are in that field. Be assured that I will respond to you. | ||||||
45 | Our forgiving others / God forgiving us? | Matt 6:14 | richilou | 10734 | ||
Thank you Tim, someday, we maybe will have the possibility to e-mail one another. | ||||||
46 | But women will be preserved through the | 1 Tim 2:15 | richilou | 10733 | ||
You are on the right track, if you want some advice on that subject again, let me know. | ||||||
47 | Our forgiving others / God forgiving us? | Matt 6:14 | richilou | 10706 | ||
If you want to exchange on e-mail one day, I invite you to do it as you wish. monric@sympatico.ca |
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48 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | richilou | 10705 | ||
I am not cessationist when the text is well understood and applied. | ||||||
49 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | richilou | 10704 | ||
If you think that all the gibberish (unintelligible sounds) we hear is real tongues as the the word "glossa" means, my friend, you are in trouble. Because be careful about one thing. Many times I heard the same "chalalabadi" in the same sequence and the interpretation was totally different from time to time. So if the tongue was real you must be at least honest enough to say that the gift of interpretation was very poor. Think about that and if you come back on the issue, I will share you an experience the Dr. Don A Carson lived one time in a charismatic church and you will see the point I try to make. | ||||||
50 | Can a woman speak in church? | 1 Tim 2:15 | richilou | 10701 | ||
Now, my friend I would like to tell you that you understood well what the person meant by "the head of the Church" without trying to split the hair in four. I think that that persons knew that Christ is the head of the Church, and wanted to say that he is head in the sense of leadership. Let us not think that all christians are ignorant of the truth when they don't use the exact word to express their thought. | ||||||
51 | Can a woman speak in church? | 1 Tim 2:15 | richilou | 10700 | ||
I will invite you to e-mail me to discuss that very important question. In so doing, I would be able to explain more in details what to think about that text. See you. Richard (monric@sympatico.ca) |
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52 | But women will be preserved through the | 1 Tim 2:15 | richilou | 10698 | ||
Having teach on that verse some years ago, I would like to see other view point of interpretation of that passage | ||||||
53 | Our forgiving others / God forgiving us? | Matt 6:14 | richilou | 10697 | ||
Good point. | ||||||
54 | Our forgiving others / God forgiving us? | Matt 6:14 | richilou | 10695 | ||
I think that to understand the core of that meaning is to refer to Mat. 18.23-35. In that text, you will find a good illustration of what Jesus could have in mind when he spoke about the forgiveness we should have toward others. | ||||||
55 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | richilou | 10690 | ||
I appreciated the fact that you have been helped in your question. But do not forget what I will say here: "For all subjects in the Scriptures, the issue is to find the purpose of the author through the context he used and never be tempted to found your beliefs on such and such experience. Doing that, you'll be wiser to the Glory of God. | ||||||
56 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | richilou | 10689 | ||
The fact is that you seem to believe that I am a cessationist, it is NOT the case at all. Do not think that I don't believe in the gift of tongue, otherwise you would have missed all my point. What I try to say and affirm with what I said is that I do not believe in the tongues AS IT IS PRACTISED IN THE PENTECOSTAL AND CHARISMATIC MOVEMENTS OF TODAY. For the rest, God is God and will ever be able to give what He wants to whom He wants. | ||||||
57 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | richilou | 10686 | ||
I suggest to you once more to read the book of Dr. Thomas Edgar: "Satisfied by the Promise of the Spirit". You will find in it exactly a chapter dealing of what Paul meant by the "prayer in tongue". I can assure you that you will not be able after to think that there are two things concerning tongue: speaking and praying, as you seem to believe. May God lead you in all the truth according to the TEXT and not according to the EXPERIENCE of yours or others as it is often the case unfortunately. | ||||||
58 | the divinity of Christ | John 1:1 | richilou | 10593 | ||
"Jesus Under Fire!" (Michael J. Wilkins and J.P. Moreland) "The Jesus Crisis" (Robert L. Thomas and F. David Farnell). These 4 men are all solid conservative evangelical scholars). Thank God for their insight. |
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59 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | richilou | 10592 | ||
And concerning the challenge I posed to the pastor I mentioned earlier in my note. Let me tell you my friend that he had nothing to answer but to admit that he will continue to practice what he had learned in the past. So I told him: "Poor brother, what you are telling me is that your tradition seems more solid than what the the text says. For more informations on the subject with a deep exegesis, I recommend you to read a book written by Thomas Edgar ("Satisfied By The Promise of the Spirit). | ||||||
60 | Holy Spirit baptism and tongues | Mark 9:24 | richilou | 10590 | ||
The only thing I would add to your comments is that when Paul is talking about the language of angels, you must keep in mind that the context is to teach the Corinthians to understand the "goal" of tongues and not the different aspects of what the Spirit can do. And if you read well the text, the goal of Paul is to put the Corinthians on the right track concerning the "GOAL" of tongues which is the edification of the body of Christ. So, I ask you 2 simple questions. 1. How can I edify a church when I pray alone in my room or wherever else? 2. Where do you find elswhere in the whole Bible the concept of "praying in tongue"? Paul taught on the speaking in tongue, and used the prayer in tongue as a point of contact to explain that the practice is not profitable to the "GOAL" of God for the church, because it would be only useful in private (like in a prayer life) and it is exactly why Paul admonished so hard the practice of private goal in neglecting the right goal that was the edification of the other christians. |
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