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41 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222937 | ||
Hi srbaegon As you can see I have finished with the discussion, but seeing that you were the first to respond, I felt it befitting that you be the last that I would address. I thank you for your information, and it was not my intent to offend you in any way. I read the article you put the link for, it was interesting. Let me see if I can clarify better to you my feelings as this should be the last post on the matter, you are entitled to at least that. My saying a trivializing was in reference to the statements made by Viola and Barna 1) In our day, the "sinner's prayer" has replaced the role of water baptism as the initial confession of faith. 2) Unbelievers are told, "Say this prayer after me, accept Jesus as your personal Savior, and you will be saved." 3) But nowhere in all the New Testament do we find any person being led to the Lord by a sinner's prayer. And there is not the faintest whisper in the Bible about a "personal" Savior. 4) Instead, unbelievers in the first century were led to Jesus Christ by being taken to the waters of baptism. 5) Put another way, water baptism was the sinner's prayer in century one! 6) Baptism accompanied the acceptance of the gospel. So what I was seeing were 6 times they put Baptism into a ritualistic catagory. I am sorry, but I take that whole statement of theirs, as a trivializing of Baptism itself, as well as scripture. Maybe I am being to critical, but that is the way I see it. They have, through there comparison with the sinners prayer, put them both into the same category of things that Christians do that have no meaning. I have to say there is meaning in Baptism. Rom 6:3-6 3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. That is my meaning of the trivialization, because baptism was a mandate from Jesus, unlike the sinners prayer. I did go on further in my first post to you, with my explanation by saying. "based on the grounds that this understanding does not explain the passage, it merely negates it, putting it into the realm of not meaning what it actually said." I regret the way I phrased my statement, it was not directed toward you. Hoping I have managed to be more succinct this time. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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42 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222932 | ||
Hi BradK Thanks for the input, but to quell any misconception that may have arisen, I am not of the school that espouses, that our salvation comes any other way other than through the blood of Jesus for the remission of sins. For by Grace are we saved. I can assure you, I do not base my doctrine of salvation upon such verses as Mk.16:16 All I was asking, was for some reasonable explanation, as to how it is to be understood, how can it be explained, and all I was getting was. It doesn't belong, or what was said isn't what was meant, or it's an addendum to a book that isn't accredited to the person who did write it, by a person or persons unknown, and therefore not to be accepted as any part of the canon of scripture. So I felt before any further misconceptions, I would withdraw from the discussion. But I owed you some sort of explanation, hope it will suffice. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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43 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222928 | ||
To: the thread The place where these verses are missing, is in the Codex Vaticanus from (350AD) and also the Codex Sinaiticus from (375AD) plus some other early manuscripts. But within the vast majority of the ancient manuscripts, the verses in question do appear (Mk.16:9-20) There is an entire blank column the Codex Vaticanus From Mk.16:9-20 to Lk.1:1 which gives the appearance that something should indeed be there. This long ending of Mark as some may call it, was known to both Justin Martyr, and to Tatian in the second century which was from 130 - 150 AD). The question that comes to my mind then is, with so much controversy regarding these verses from Mk.16 over the centuries, as all of you have said, why then have they been repeatedly published within the Bible as though the do indeed belong? I have taken the time to go to 23 different translations, and this verse is in every one, including the KJV, NASB, NIV, AMPLIFIED, and even the MESSAGE, but most surprising of all is that Calvin even put it in the Geneva Bible. Therefore if the publishers of these Bibles do continually reprint , and publish these verses, then they must feel they do belong. I for one, would say "if the consensus is that these verses do not belong, and should not be there, then they should not be there. Otherwise these types of arguments against them should cease. I no not what course others may take, but as for me, this will be my last post on this thread. Thank you all, for your interest participation, and input. Grace be unto you all lightedsteps |
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44 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222927 | ||
Hi Inquisitor Sorry but I don't think Matt.28:19 can be connected to Mk.16:16. You say "There's over 80 verses in the Bible that refer to this subject. I agree some of them are a little vague but most are pretty clear." my advice Copy, and paste them all onto one place, where you can read, and compare them all at the asme time, and against each other. Having doen that, then start the process of elimination, being very critical as to just what is being said, if it doesn't stand muster then deleat it. Don't worry about convincing anybody else, Convince yourself, or Unconvince yourself. Let the Holy Spirit teach you. At this point you have a belief, find out if that belief is true or not. You need to be able to see the forest, not the indevidual trees. These 80 some verses need to agree or there is no truth. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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45 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222926 | ||
Hi Doc I hope you aren't of the mind, that I would be remiss in the doing my utmost in the fulfilling of Eph.4:29 also. I think your assessment of my meaning to be found within Rom., and Col. would be fair, I do feel as though they are representative of the doing something in the natural, which then in turn is capable of causing a supernatural result. This is not saying, our doing causes the result, it is all Gods doing. Our place is to follow those things He has said to do, the result then will follow the actions He has said they would follow. I too can say, I thoughtfully, carefully, studiously, assuredly, and completely agree: with The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy. I am curious as to what you might think, on just what my particular theological slant might be? I take great care about what I say, here on the forum. I make every effort to say authoritatively what God has, using scripture whenever, and wherever possible. My efforts on the forum are a service to Him. Our modes of operation my differ, but our goals are still the same. We both come from diametrically opposed backgrounds, yours being Jewish, mine being Catholic. We both have a unique perspective that not all Christians have, with their having been raised with a more, or less Protestant background. All I can say is, were both on the same path, God is lighting the way, because of our differing backgrounds, there are things you will accept that I won't, and there are things that I will accept that you won't, neither one is wrong in our beliefs, we just have differing perspectives. In closing, I apologies for my affront, your right, I should have known:-( Are we still friends:-) If your e-mail address on your profile is still valid, I will drop you a line. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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46 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222922 | ||
Hi Doc Always good to hear from you You cite 3 reasons for believing this verse does not belong. 1. It is absent from most of the earliest manuscripts. 2. Early church writers tell us that it is absent from many other manuscripts. 3. There are stylistic aspects of this passage that are not in keeping with the rest of the book. As far as I am concerned, I believe the Bible to be the inerrant word of God to the Church, mind you I said Church, as the mystical body of Christ, not any religion, I also believe that this inerrancy extends as far as the canon itself, as well as the writers of the books, I do not in any way believe that anything having to do with the Bible is not what it appears to be. Therefore I take with a grain of spiritual salt, what New Testament scholars might have to say on the matter. Others have said the book of Mark was actually written by Peter. If we took what they all say now, or have said in the past, all we would have left of our Bibles, would be a very nice piece of leather, (with our name embossed on it in gold). I may sound old fashioned, but I have to believe the canon we have received, is the one that GOD wanted us to have. I'm sorry but when it comes to belief, just because someone has a Phd, or Ma. after their name, I still question their findings, (teachings). We have been warned in the Bible about False teachers, when I hear of such things, I question the motive for such statements. What I mean is, do these teachings edify the reader, or do they make the reader, question the Bible text as true or not? (example) Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? Once the doubt has been raised, then any belief is possible. We can become to sophisticated in our beliefs, when God meant His word to be understood by the simplest of men. When you said "After all, doing something in the natural and expecting supernatural results has a name: magic -- and we are told to eschew such things." I know you didn't mean these such things did you? Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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47 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222913 | ||
Hi srbaegon Thanks for the reply, I read the article, interesting. Although I have not read the book you have mentioned, I can see where someone as yourself that was leaning in that direction to begin with, would easily accept the explanation which you say was put forward by these two men. So is it your contention, that when the disciples went about baptizing, according to what Jesus had said to them, in Mk.16:16 they were performing these baptisms, as nothing more than what could be called ones Christian Confession of Faith, such as today's (Sinners Prayer), with no more meaning than a ritual? Isn't that trivializing the Mk.16:16 passage, based on the grounds that this understanding does not explain the passage, it merely negates it, putting it into the realm of not meaning what it actually said. By keeping the passage in sight, I cannot see where it would apply, although I can understand that human nature being what it is, through the course of time, things do tend to lose their meaning. I had no idea when asking the question, it was such a hotly contested verse. I guess the only way of understanding the Mark passage, would be summed up in another verse. Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. When it comes down to it, there are differences of opinion as to the meaning of what was meant in Mk. 16:16, these opinions come from ones own believed doctrine, some would say one thing, while others would counter with an opposite opinion. Maybe that is the way God wanted things to be, Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Thanks again for the input. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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48 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222906 | ||
In relation to the thread that is going on now, (Becoming a Christian) I ask for some clarification on this verse spoken by Jesus. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Does not this verse clearly equate believing with baptism, as part of the same package? Grace lightedsteps |
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49 | Becoming a christian | John 6:37 | lightedsteps | 222905 | ||
Hi Inquisitor I'm only speaking to one thing you have said. "why am I not encouraged to go ahead and be baptized" My advice to you is, I encourage you to do so, based on these three verses. Jesus was baptized - Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. The disciples of Jesus baptized - Joh 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,) Paul was baptized - Act 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. Who are you to not be baptized? Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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50 | chould a preacher question peoples chris | 2 Cor 13:5 | lightedsteps | 222854 | ||
Greetings CDBJ From the sound of your post, you do not agree with, or see the need for the practice of churches having alter calls. But be that as it may, when it comes to the over all point of your question, I am at a loss, what is the relation of your question and my post? I made no definitive statement pro, or con regarding this well worn tradition. Therefore I am at a loss, as to why you would ask my opinion on the matter? Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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51 | can a blind from birth a christion and h | John 3:16 | lightedsteps | 222838 | ||
Hi jamesand faye If I may ask you a question. Can a physically handicapped, or deaf person become a christian? These two cover who, and how they can be saved. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that (WHOSOEVER) believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Rom 10:9 That if (THOU) shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, (THOU) shalt be saved. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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52 | sins of the father | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 222837 | ||
Hi Doc It seems as though we are at crossed purposes. Your answer is in relation to the corporate, (Nation). I am answering the question as asked, which was in the singular. The question asked was "i think it says about the sins being carried through generations" Therefore I feel as though the answer I gave while being out of context to the Nations complaint, Gods answer to them was in a singular context. Eze 18:20 - Deut. 24:16 God is Sovereign, even though He judges each man for his own actions, He can still judge the nation as a whole. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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53 | chould a preacher question peoples chris | 2 Cor 13:5 | lightedsteps | 222836 | ||
Hi jamesandfaye Does your church have an alter call for salvation each Sunday? Then there must be people attending the services who are not saved. A few scriptures you should read, then ask is it the position of a pastor to confront ones salvation? Mat 13:24-30 - Rom 14:4 - Joh 7:24 Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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54 | whats the coralation between isaiah 61.1 | Luke 4:21 | lightedsteps | 222813 | ||
Hi Hads Welcome to the forum The correlation between these two pieces of scripture, would be in verse 21? Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. In His telling them the scripture was fulfilled, He was declaring to them He Was The Messiah. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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55 | A cripple or blind Pastor should'nt be? | Lev 21:24 | lightedsteps | 222774 | ||
Hi humility As you can see, this verse of scripture only pertains to the descendants of Aaron. Because it was a position that was designated by God for His service in the Temple, and was therefore a family position. The position does not fall under the category of something under the Old Covenant, and therefore not relating to us under the New Covenant. It would I am sure, still be in effect in the Jewish religion, but not in any Christian religion, solely on the grounds, it was to the direct descendants of Aaron. Lev 21:21 No man that hath a blemish (OF THE SEED OF AARON THE PRIEST) shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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56 | IS IT POSSIBLE TO ATTAIN THE RIGHTOUSNES | Rom 5:1 | lightedsteps | 222773 | ||
Hi WENDYFAYE We are told in the bible that our righteousness, is as filthy rags. Therefore we can never stand before God in our own righteousness. Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. The righteousness we seek is, the righteousness of God through Christ, and this righteousness shall be upon all them that believe, that Christ's fulfilling of the law might be attributed to us also Rom 3:20-22 20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21) But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22) Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. So being in Christ, we stand in His righteousness, having been been made righteousness unto us, that we who believe may attain eternal life through Him. 1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: Php 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. So then as you can see, it is the righteousness of Christ in which we stand, we gain His righteousness upon our Conversion (Salvation, Rebirth, Regeneration). Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Grace be unto you Lightedsteps |
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57 | Translate Rev 5:10 accurately please | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 222747 | ||
Hi RRHill Welcome to the forum Having found evidence in other places, that might shed some light on your question, I offer them for your approval Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Is not then the habitation of God, the place where God dwells, His kingdom? 1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an (HOLY PRIESTHOOD), to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a (ROYAL PRIESTHOOD), an (HOLY NATION), a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: So then according to Peter, believers are not only a Holy Priesthood, but a Royal Priesthood as well. Therefore from this teaching of Peters, he is saying believers are Kings, Priests, and a Nation,(Kingdom). When you put it all together, Christians are not only a Priesthood of Kings, but the Kingdom of God itself. The following comes from - - The Greek Interlinear Bible Rev. 5:10 and didst make them to the God of us a kingdom and priests, and they will reign on (?over) the earth. From this verse, it says they will (REIGN) which denotes Kingship for the believer. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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58 | Who are the Elect. | Romans | lightedsteps | 222732 | ||
Hi Rdventen All of the following verses using the word ELECT, come from the New Test., they all seem to be referring to the people of God, as Christians. Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Greek Definitions for the word ELECT (from Strongs Concordance) G1588 eklektos ek-lek-tos' select; by implication favorite: - chosen, elect. G1586 eklegomai ek-leg'-om-ahee to select: - make choice, choose (out), chosen. G4899 suneklektos soon-ek-lek-tos' chosen in company with, that is, co-elect (fellow Christian): - elected together with. Hope this answered your question Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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59 | sins of the father | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 222718 | ||
lionheart Good day to you, please excuse the delay, and thanks for your input:-) In your saying "But how often have the consequences of ones sin impacted the lives of others." Yes people all the time, do end up holding the bag for the things other people have done, but that isn't quite the point is it? The question that was originally asked, was about generational sins, not there consequences. In other words, the children will commit the same sins of the parents, as a generational curse. IMHO the generational sins now under discussion, do not exist. Hypothetical: Two brothers, and one sister grow up in a family where the father is an alcoholic, and abuses the mother, these children see this abuse take place on a regular basis, when these three children are grown, getting married themselves, one brother drinks, and abuses his wife just as his father had done, the second brother does not drink or abuse his wife, but the sister, finds herself being abused like her mother was. So then if the sin of spousal abuse is passed on to the children in a generational curse, to the third and the fourth generation. Should not the curse pass on to all the children, or is this type of curse selective? Why would one brother be a drunk, and abuse, and the other not? Lastly what is the sin the sister is committing by being the one abused? Isn't this nothing more than, the learned behavior of two children observing, but then again the second brother having observed the same things,"CHOSE" to not drink, or abuse. Therefore in such things we do have a choice, there is no generational curse, it is nothing more than the fallen human nature, and learned behavior. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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60 | sins of the father | Bible general Archive 4 | lightedsteps | 222714 | ||
Hi Doc So then what you are saying is. These verses, really don't mean what they are saying? Eze.18:20 20) (THE SOUL THAT SINNETH, IT SHALL DIE. THE SON SHALL NOT BEAR THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHER, NEITHER SHALL THE FATHER BEAR THE INIQUITY OF THE SON: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Deut. 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Where then is the scripture or scriptures, that supercede, or nullify what these do say? Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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