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41 | Jahovah's witness | Rev 7:4 | RR144 | 82711 | ||
The Jehovah's WItnesses believe that they are the True Church and all others are of the devil. That being said, they believe that ONLY 144,000 are spirit begotten and inherit immortality and live and reign with Jesus in heaven. The Great crowd or company of Rev. 7, are the rest of mankind who will inherit earthly life. These are not spirit begotten. |
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42 | Who are the 144000? Is it literal | Rev 7:4 | RR144 | 82712 | ||
I personally believe the number is literal and represents the True Church of God. | ||||||
43 | Who are the 144000? Is it literal | Rev 7:4 | RR144 | 82742 | ||
I am a member of the Body of Christ, the Church of God, Church of the firstborn, in other words I'm a Christian. | ||||||
44 | Literally 12,000 from each tribe? | Rev 7:4 | RR144 | 82755 | ||
Although Revelation is a book of symbols, numbers—but not necessarily what they are used to designate (“days,” “times,” “tribes,” etc.) always have a literal application. Therefore, 144,000 is the predetermined number to comprise the Bride of Christ; that is, it is the actual count of body members to be associated with Jesus in his Kingdom throne. The expression “of all the tribes of the children of Israel” is a spiritual designation or reference to the true Church, “the Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16 NIV). This latter classification in New Testament usage is not confined or limited to natural Jewry but is open to those exercising the faith of Abraham (Rom. 4:12,13; 9:6–8,24–26). |
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45 | Literally 12,000 from each tribe? | Rev 7:4 | RR144 | 82817 | ||
btw ... it's RR not TR Why is it sound doctrine to believe that the 144,000 of Re 7:4 and Re 14:1 represent the church and not literal Israelites? The reasons (some better than others, but cumulatively strong) are as follows: (1) The very fact that Re 7:4 says "of all the tribes of the children of Israel" is reason to believe that it means something else. We are clearly told in Re 1:1 that this message has been "signified" - put into signs and symbols. This is not a literal book, and very little of it says what it means. (The numbers seem to be literal, but not the words they modify. For instance, there are seven trumpets, but while there really are seven, they are not really trumpets.) (2) Re 7:3 defines the 144,000 as servants of God. Since this was written more than 60 years after the crucifixion, it seems that only Christians would now be called servants. (3) Re 7:4 seems to use "Israel" much as it was used by the Apostle Paul. In Ro 9:6-8 Paul wants it clearly understood that the name rightly belongs not to Abraham’s descendants after the flesh, but to the faith seed. He continues the concept in Ro 11:26, where it is clear that the gentile church is the first part of "all Israel" the part which will turn ungodliness away from the rest of Israel, the fleshly seed, here symbolized by Jacob. It seems no accident that spiritual Israel is here associated with Zion, even as the 144,000 are with the lamb on Zion in Re 14:1. Paul continues this usage in 1Co 10:18, where he found it needful to refer to natural Israel as "Israel after the flesh": knowing that his Corinthian hearers considered themselves "Israel" even though they weren’t "after the flesh" Ga 6:16 carries on the same practice in reverse, where he calls the church "the Israel of God" (Jew and gentile alike), since Israel after the flesh had mostly rejected the gospel. (4) Re 14:1 (in addition to identifying spiritual Israel with Zion as in Ro 11:26) says that the 144,000 have "His name (the Lamb’s) and His Father’s name." (The King James does not so read, but the old manuscripts do.)This again establishes the Christian character development of this group. (5) Re 14:3 gives more pertinent information regarding the 144,000. Only they could learn the "new song" Is it reasonable that the church cannot learn this song? Note also that they are "redeemed from the earth." Now compare this verse with Re 5:9, 10. The lamb redeems the new reigning priesthood (the church) - and, it is again associated with the "new song." (6) In Re 14:4 is a convincing list suggesting the identity of the 144,000. They are not defiled with women (churches) - suggesting that, though they may have been associated with or identified with these "women ‘ " the pollutions did not rub off. They are "virgins" (as in the Wise and Foolish Virgin parable). The symbol of spiritual virginity seems applicable only to Christians who wait for their Bridegroom, not to Israel after the flesh who was married to God! Jer 31:32) These are "followers of the Lamb," ie., disciples. These are firstfruits - a term used clearly in the New Testament only as a symbol of the Church. (1Co 15:23; Jas 1:18) (7) Re 14:5 could be a problem. The church is not "before the throne," but on it. Fortunately this phrase is spurious, not being in the old manuscripts. (8) Lastly, consider the import of the number. Of what consequence would it be to know 144,000 Jews would be faithful to God suddenly at the end of the age? The information seems worthless. However, to know the size of the true church is information of great value - something to spur us on to faithfulness. The "size" of the New Jerusalem (Re 21:10-17) makes use in various ways of the number. Is this an accident? Is it not unusual that as early as Ge 15:13 the number is implied? (400 years of 360 days each equal 144,000 days.) It may even be that the Lord selected the number 40 as the symbol for a complete period of trial because it has 14,400 days. (Many scriptural Numbers appear to have significance only when multiplied by 10 or by 100 or by 1000.) In summary, it is much easier Scripturally to justify 144,000 as the size of the Church than as a number of Jews at the end of the age. Not only are the evidences compelling, but the results have more significance. |
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46 | Please explain Revelation 14:12 ? | Rev 14:1 | RR144 | 83984 | ||
The first five verses of this chapter should more properly be suffixed as a climax to Chapter 13, which relates (13:15) to the death of the last members of the body of Christ because of their refusal to bow the knee to the image of the beast. Their death according to the flesh will result in their change to spirit nature and the completion of the Church beyond the veil of human experience. The 144,000 who stand on Mount Sion (Zion) represent the glorified Church; hence verse 1 is future in its application. After Jesus fulfilled his earthly mission, he was laid for a foundation in spiritual Zion, being a tried (and finished) stone (Isa. 28:16). The temple class is to be completed in like fashion at this end of the age: as tried and finished stones. It is this Kingdom—symbolized by Mount Zion, toward which all of the Lord’s people march throughout this Gospel Age—that will soon be fully attained. As Moses went up into the quaking mountain the third day (Exod. 19:16–20) and was lost to the sight of the people below, so at and in conjunction with a great time of trouble, the last body members will be, as it were, “caught up,” gathered to the Lord, changed to his likeness. In the Kingdom the Word of the Lord will go forth from Jerusalem, but the Law will go forth from Zion, the completed and glorified Church (Isa. 2:3; Mic. 4:2). The very number itself, 144,000, is another indication this verse is future. In Chapter 7 the 144,000 were also mentioned; there the number was said to be “sealed” (Rev. 7:4). “And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.” Having God’s name written or having His mark branded in their foreheads —permanently fixed there in the most intimate sense—is the same as being sealed. The 144,000 are the sons of God in the highest sense of that term. Only 144,000 are to be sealed, and those who are sealed in the full sense of the word will make their calling and election sure (2 Pet. 1:10). On this side of the veil the Christian is in the process of being sealed; where this class is spoken of as having been sealed, it is an accomplished fact. The latter is a crystallized, finished work in which God’s name is permanently ingrained in the person’s character. |
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