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41 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167505 | ||
Any doctor in this country can tell you that people die all the time without it being caused by sickness or disease. There have been plenty who get to a very old age, and they have no signs of sickness, they don't have arthritis, their mind is as good as when they were 20, they can still go outdoors and run and jog and keep up with the great grandkids, yet there comes a moment when the easiest way to describe it would be their heart just quits, its painless, its not sickness, and it doesn't mean God isn't the healer. What do you think Paul meant when he said he's stuck and can't decide if he should go on to be with the Lord, or stay on this earth and teach? Does that not show us that he believed he had the right to chose if he left this earthly body or not? What I"m saying, is that I will never die untill I am either martyed for the Lord Jesus Christ, or I'm an old old man and my ministry on this earth has come to an end, and I am ready to go home to heaven. Its hard for peole to concieve that you can die without being sick, they say 'well his heart stopped, that sounds like sickness to me. ' I understand that in essence, yes, your heart stopping, if you are not ready to go home to be with God, is a bad thing. But if you've run your race down here, you've lived the long life God promised you, and your work is through, thats the way to go. And like I said, unless I am martyed, thats the exact way I'll go. I'll know it beforehand, and I'll be ready. As for Jesus after his resurrection, I was simply stating that he had not yet been glorified. I wasn't saying he was a slave to anything. But was merely pointing out that even after his death and resurrection, there was still more for him to do before they could touch him. He had to present himself before the throne, and sprinkle his blood on the heavenly utensils of worship, and cleanse us all! Sorry for the confusion. Our Lord is enslaved to nobody, and neither are we! |
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42 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167504 | ||
Well if you think literal mountains can be moved. Good. So do I. Looks like we agree! I wasn't saying this scripture is a parable, but I am saying Jesus is not smiply saying that only that one particular mountain can be moved. He goes on to tell us that whatever we say we shall have. He is not limiting out authority to move that one mountain. And I'm glad you believe literal mountains can be moved. Looks like we agree on that! I'm simply saying, I seriously doubt I can measure faith in a beaker, or with any other instrument. So I know for a fact, Jesus wasn't being literal about that. | ||||||
43 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167463 | ||
I believe here that Paul is simply pointing out that we are more in the same state Jesus was when he appeared to Marry and said don't touch me yet. He did not have his glorified body yet. And we don't have that body either. But someday we will have a glorified body. Anything less than God's best for us, is corruption. I don't see this passage as being a reason to think that we have to suffer sickness or disease. Its simply showing that yes, someday if the Lord tarries I will leave this earthly body untill the day of resurection. Mitch |
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44 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167462 | ||
You bring good points. Let me adress the issue of God being dependant upon our Faith. The Word says that God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentence. Well Paul says that we have to confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus in order to be saved. And the Word also says we must have faith in order to come to God ( Heb 11 ) If God was not dependent upon our belief in Him, then he could just make sure nobody went to Hell right? But he can't do that can he? He has to allow us to make the deicison to stand up in Faith and confess JEsus Christ is Lord. Thats what I'm saying when I say that God is dependent upon our Faith. And I never said God doesn't allow us to be tested, he allowed Job to be tested didn't he? I'm just saying, God doesn't do the testing, and he didn't send the test, and he wasn't the one who even brought up the idea of the test was he? Satan wanted to do it. And God allowed it, he had to, his laws are law brother. How many times in the Old Testament do we see God saying 'Fear Not' yet JOb was in great fear wasn't he? God had to allow the test, what reason, I'm not totally sure, but perhaps because Job feared, and God had said don't fear. As for sickness not being included, in Deu 28 the blessing and cursing are laid out, and the curse covers sickness. All they had to do was follow God, and listen to what he said, and keep his commands, and sickness would not come upon them. That extends to us today as well. So thats where scripture shows us that God does not send sickness and disease upon his children. Nowhere in scripture will you find that God sent sickness upon his children. Your passage from James is a wonderful one, and yes it does show that the prayer of faith will save the sick and the Lord will raise him up. This is a great passage because its God being able to extend himself as Jehova Rapha to those who aren't strong enough in their faith to believe for their own healing. There is nothing wronmg with going to the elders and letting them pray for you and anoint you. What I like about this Scripture is that it shows us that it is Gods will for EVERYONE to be healed. If it wasn't God's will for everyone to be healed, then why would we ever pray for them to be healed? We shoul dnever pray against the will of God. I think you might be a bit confused on something I"ve said, I've never meant to come across as saying that all sickness is because a person sinned. Good people have sickness too, because Satan brings it upon them. It all comes from him. Thats what I'm saying. It comes from him, and not from God. God Bless, Mitch |
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45 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167458 | ||
If you think Jesus is only talking about literal mountains, then I'm not sure what to tell you other than I hope then that you beleive a Christian man could walk up to that literal mountain and tell it to move. However, I don't think he's being literal here. I mean can you actually measure faith like you measure a mustard seed? Or could we assume Jesus is using an illustration to make a grander point? Such as he did very often in parables? Mitch |
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46 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167456 | ||
We fully agree on that it seems. There is one truth, and we should all come to the same understanding of the Scriptures. However there may come a time when our conversation on the subject might need to cease, or at least, pause while we both spend time in prayer and meditating on the subject. But we have the same Holy Ghost, I've been baptized in the same Holy Ghost as you brother, I speak in tongues by the same spirit that you do.. so we can safely say that in time we will both have the same knowledge of the Word. God Bless, Mitch |
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47 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167455 | ||
The KJV adds words that aren't there all the time. Thats what the italics are :) But I agree, you can't just add in words to fit what you want it to say. However, I'm saying that from the way it reads, it means that you will recieve persectuion with the 100 fold return. I'm saying just that, a person who recieves 100 fold will with that 100 fold, recieve persecutions. If thats not what you think, what do you believe it is saying? | ||||||
48 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167454 | ||
I abide completely by the rules. I have told BradK that my intention was not to be short. As for what Spurgeon said, I've little interest. I'm here to discuss scripture, not other preachers. I haven't even sat around and quoted men I listn to, I've quoted Almighty God. You wont see me saying well Kenneth Copeland once said, or whoever once said. I'm giving scripture, and expecting that in return. I ask the same from you in return. AS to breaking the guidelines, please show me where and when I did that, so I can correct it. Mitch |
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49 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167453 | ||
I'm sorry brother, but I don't fully understand your question. Could you rephrase it? | ||||||
50 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167452 | ||
I'm sorry if you think Im being short with you. I'm just saying either bring scripture to me, as my brother Mark did, or you won't get any response out of me. If you are done with the topic, thats fine. I apologize if I came across as being short, that was not my intention, simply I just meant to get my point across that I have been backing up what I preach, and have gotten litten scripture if any in return from you. God Bless, Mitch |
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51 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167447 | ||
You are right brother, the differnce we have, is that I believe something is the will of God, and you believe that to not be true and vice versa. But of course, there is one truth, so we can't sit back and say lets agree to disagree. That would be a bad statement don't you think? God Bless, Mitch |
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52 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167446 | ||
I didn't even quote the scripture Brother, I just referenced it to you. Hard to misquote something you didn't type out. And yes, it says 'with persecutions' He is saying that you will recieve persectuions while you are recieving a hundredfold return on what you have given up. Everything else listed is what was given up, and you are getting 100 fold in return. If you are correct, and Jesus is not saying that persecutions are coming because of the 100 fold return, then wouldn't we in the previous verses have to have listed that we gave up houses and children adn lands and persecutions? How does a man give up persecutions for Jesus sake? So he has to be talking here, that we will recieve persecution, becuause of the 100 fold. So we recieve the persectuions, because with the 100 fold, and since I am living in 100 fold return, and I'm persecuted because of my faith in it, I'd have to say that Jesus was right :) God Bless |
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53 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167441 | ||
Joke at me all you want, I don't mind. I am saying he has no authority in that prayer, because God wont answer a prayer thats not based upon his Word, and that would harm another person would he? As for persecuted for getting a 100 fold return, Jesus said that in Mark 10:30 Mitch |
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54 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167439 | ||
Thank you for bringing scripture before me! Thats why I'm here, I'm eager to discuss the Word of God, so lets get started, and if I miss anything, please let me know. I want to answer all of it. Ok, my point about hospitals is this. If someone thinks that at times God decides someone should have a terrible ilness, and at times he decides that a person should die of a sickness. Then why would we want that person to go the hospital? I believe God does not want men to look at pornography. So I will do everything in my power to make sure its not even an option in my country. I don't even want it on pay per view, or in 'adults only' stores. I don't want it anywhere, because the will of God, is to not have that sin in my nation. So if it is God's will that some people are sick, then if a person believes that, they should never seek medical treatment, because as they think, God will either heal them, or he will not. Also, they should support things like abortion, because maybe God wanted that little child to be pulled limb from limb from their mothers womb. ( Thats absurd isn't it? ) But think about it, is it really God's will that 5000 children a day are killed in abortion, or is it his will for those who get all their skin burned off in a house fire? If a person thinks that sometimes God sends sickness to teach someone a lessson,then I'm simply saing they should praise God for those things, and be happy when their children have the same thing, as well as they should want to see all hospitals shut down, because those hositals might be treating someone, that God wants to die. As for trials, well I can say that in this life we are tried and tested. But I find no scripture that says we are tried by God. Can you? I've yet to find a scripture that says God sends the trial, you could think that at times he has to allow it, because he has made himself dependent on our faith at times, but I see no scripture which says he sends those trials. I believe that there may come a time where I could suffer for Christ, such as being persecuted for my beleive in Jesus, martyred ( spelling sorry ) or put in prison, I understand those things happen, and I would rejoice in those things. But nowhere do we see that sickness and disease are part of our suffering do we? Thats what I see in this passage of Scripture, yes it talks of suffering, but again I ask, where does scritpure say that suffering is sickness and disease. I don't care if they lock me up in prison, God will deliver me out of that wont he? I dont care if they stone me to death, I look up into heaven and see JEsus standing at the right hand of the Father. I'm simply saying, suffering is because of God, because of what I believe, and what people don't want me to belive, not from God. As Romans 8:23 points out, there is still a final redemption for our bodies, when Christ comes back, I will then take on complete imortatility. Luke 21:28 points out that our redemption will come. We then, will be totally redemmed from even persecutions at that point. So what I'm saying brother, is that nowhere in scripture does God send sickness on his children. It might happen in judgement, for those who are disobedient, but God had already made sure there was a way they never had to go through it. God Bless, Mitch |
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55 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167437 | ||
Thank you brother for your concern, but I want to make it very clear that you have no authority to pray that for me. God has revealed himself to me as my healer, and my provider, call me a name it and claim it, and a blab it and grab it feller if you like :) Thats fine by me, Jesus said that when you have the 100 fold return persecution would come, and I don't mind it. But thanks for your concern. God Bless, Mitch |
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56 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167432 | ||
Do you have any scripture to back up your belief that its better to find otu what the internet says than what the Word says? Give me scripture and I'll discuss it, otherwise do us all a service and keep quiet. This is a Bible study forum, not a reserch club. | ||||||
57 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167430 | ||
Read it again please, I never said if it works for me it must be from God. I said, as the Word does, that every good and perfect gift is from God. And yes, I'll take whatever my father has decided to give me. He bought my healing, I'll accept it. And if you have read my other posts, as you say you have. Then you know I'll discuss scripture. I'm not going to stand up and defend Brother Copeland, he doesn't want me to, and he doesn't need me to, Christ will do that. I study the Word of God daily, no need to challenge me to do so. I Study the Word, and I spend time praying in other tongues and in my own understanding, and allowing the Spirit to reveal the word to me. So again, no need to 'challenge' me to do something I already do. And yes, Satan quoted Scripture, what does that prove? If you don't agre with Kenneth Copeland, show him where he is missing it. Use scripture, thast the only thing I'll feel like responding to. I don't base my belief on what some christian institute says, or what Kenneth Copeland says either, I base it on the Word. I don't need the internet to tell me what God said in his Word. So no thank you, but I'll not do any 'reserch' on the net to get a revelation fo the Word. I could care less what all those people have to say about my Brothers and Sistesr in Christ Jesus. I am a Christian man, I love my neighbor, I have no need to listen to hate filled writtings. Like I've said before, I'll talk about scripture, not opinion. If my body is under the curse, then do you think God is a liar when he said Jesus has redemmed me from the curse? And what does it matter how many people have died from sickness? I've had family members die lost and in all probability are in hell right now, does that mean I have to do the same thing? It makes no sense to say that so and so died of cancer, so it must be God's will for that to happen, but you won't say, so and so went to hell, it must be God's will for some people to go to hell. As a matter fo fact, if you believe sickness is sometimes the will of God for people, I hope you are convinced of your beliefs enough to try to clsoe down every hosptital you see, because they might be helping someone that God wants in pain. And I hope when you have children, you get on your knees before the Father, and beg him to give a fatal illness to your children, so that they will be living ina wonderfully perfected will of God. Thats abusrd, you won't do that, why? God Bless, Mitch |
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58 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167420 | ||
1. I have no need for any of those mountains to be moved. If I did, then I would move them. Jesus was not calling a fig tree a mountain you know. He was saying that whatever mountain you need moved, whatever obstacle you need removed, you speak to it, as he did the tree. He wasn't talking about a mountain like Mt. McKinley. But he was talking about mountains in the obstacle sense, like we say a 'mountain of debt' 2. God supernatually provided the new home, nothing changed in my paycheck or my wifes. But God loves his children, and he never lies you know. So when he said because I tithe he'd open the windows of heaven and pour out a blessing so much that I can't contain it, he wasn't just lieing when he said that. And even if I had gotten a huge increase in my paycheck, that would still be God, because every perfect gift comes down from the Father of LIghts with whom is no variableness neither shadow of turniing. So God could have done it by increasing my paycheck, but he decided to just do it, and I'm thankful for how he has done it, because nobody can deny its of God. 3. The context reveals that anything you sacrifice for the Gospel's sake, wether it be relationships or finances, you will recieve a hundredfold return on that ( thats sacrificing 10 dollars and getting 1000 in return ) you will recieve that hundredfold in this current life, and you inherit eternal life in the one to come. It is Jesus speaking, and he is speaking about anyone who sacrifices these things. And yes, I praise God for what he is doing in my life. He's blessing me in every area, spiritually as well as physically and mentally. I can even testify that my wife was attacked two days ago with what the doctors say is strep throat ( spelling sorry? ) however we stayed on the Word, and what takes they say about 4 weeks to recover from, is taking no more than a couple days! Glory to God Brother! HOpe I answered your questions good enough for you. God Bless, Mitch |
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59 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167417 | ||
Yes I have personally seen mountains moved. I am living in the 100 fold return on everything I sow into the Kingdom of God. God has just recently supernatually blessed my family with a beautiful new home. By the world's standards we would not be able to afford it, but by God's standards, and by his love for his children, we can afford it. You can talk badly about Brother Hagin all you like, you are the one who has to give an account of every idle word you speak when you stand before Christ. If you don't like the 100 fold message, maybe you might want to blot that part of scripture out of your bible, or at least try to explain to me what you believe it means, instead of using the devils tactics and becoming an accuser of the brethren. And yes, Ephesians states wonderful things Christ has done for us on the cross. Peter does as well when he points out that because of the stripes of Jesus Christ, because he was beaten, we can live in divine healing in our lives. I'm simply saying, that to say preaching miracles is not 'preaching Christ' as someone here put it. Then you must be saying that the cross is not a miraculous thing. And I'm simply saying, that since the cross is what brought me back into the relationship with God he ordained me to walk in before the foundation of the world, which yes as Jesus said , does include financial prosperity, then it is a mircale that needs to be preached. If you don't preach it, then you are leaving out a wonderful event that took place upon that cross. And I don't care to read a book that tries to document things about other men, I like to read scriptural messages. I don't worry about fussing and fighting with others. I like to leave the bad mouthing, trash talking to the sinners. Also, if you takt he time to read Brother Hagin's books yourself, then you will see that he glorifies the Lord in his own life, by having everything JEsus paid for. Jesus removed the curse from me, so if I still chose to live in sickness and disease, I'm throwing out part of what he paid for. If I don't walk in the fullness of his sacrifice, then I'm making the cross of none effect in my life. And I refuse to ever belittle anything that God has done for me. Brother I understand many don't like the message that Brother Hagin preaches, but all I ask is that instead of saying what so and so said, and talking about hearsay, and bad mouthing others. Give me scripture that prove a certain teaching is wrong. Otherwise, I'll not response anymore. I'm here to help those who have valid questions, I'm done with watching people talk bad about God's children. I don't agree with everything you say, does God then say that I should go around and bad mouth you? Talk down about you? I don't agree with everything Billy Graham says, but should I go around and say he shouldn't be on TV? NO that would be absurd, thousands, if not millions, have come to the saving grace of Jesus Christ through the ministry of Billy Graham, so even if the man is wrong on some of his beliefs on the Word, at least he is doing what God is leading him to do, and not sitting around bad mouthing Kenneth Copeland or Joyce Meyer. He's following God, and loving his neighbor. He's working no ill toward his neighbor. He's living the Word of God, even if he is wrong about some things, which I think he is, or at least I should say, I would believe that he is. But you'll never get me to say a bad thing about the man. He's done wonderful things for Christian faith. God Bless you, and remember, what God did in Jesus on the cross, is far greater than what satan did in Adam in the garden! Mitch |
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60 | What is preaching Christ? | John 7:17 | mitchm0521 | 167406 | ||
The Cross is what allows me to have physcial healing in my body, and the death of Christ is what makes me rich. Its what prospers me, and its what heals me. So what I'm saying, is that if you say preaching Christ, is not talkikng about the miracles that come from what he did, then you are just wrong. The Cross is everything to a believer. It brought me into right standing with God, it delivered me from all sin, it brings total physcial healing to my body, it makes me a financially prosperous man. It is miraculous. So my point was, to say that preaching Christ, is not preaching miracles, then what is the Cross if it itself is not a miracle? | ||||||
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