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41 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115578 | ||
No. I think he would mind if the Christian left God for a cult though. | ||||||
42 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115577 | ||
EdB, No offense taken, and I make the same apology for any rudeness on my part. God did give David all of Saul's wives, who were mostly pagan. Anyway, I think we know where each other stands here, and I respect everything you have said, and I will not press this issue any longer. Thank you for your patience and willingness to discuss. Praise God for his grace in every way! ischus |
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43 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115576 | ||
I truly believe that the bible is God's work, but are you going to deny the fact that many additions, changes, and curruptions have been involved over the thousands of years of translation? In the current bible we have, there are hundreds of variant texts on hundreds of verses, and several entire sections that are either misplaced, mistranslated, or completely false and not a part of the original MSS. God has his part in the bible...so does man. Let's be honest here. I am not suggesting anything other than what I said here- don't read into it. The bible is God's word. God is sovereign. ischus |
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44 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115570 | ||
By the way, are you sure that Ezra even wrote this text while under inspiration, or is this a record of his journal written by another person? ischus |
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45 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115564 | ||
EdB, ---"Either the Bible is the inspired word of God or it is not. I believe it is the inspired word." ***Amen, it is!!! What you fail to distinguish between is the "inspiration" of God and the "revelation" of God. All of scripture is inspired by God, yes, but not all is His revelation. The bible is full of texts that are not "thus says the Lord" texts. Ezra 9 is one of them. God inspired this to be in the bible exactly because Ezra's words were not his revelation. It was to teach this exact lesson of taking scripture out of context to make it say what you want it to, just like everyone is doing here. ---"Marriage is covenant and you see in this passage God strictly forbids any covenant. Giving the reason that once they do they will start messing with pagan gods. It is not real hard to see." ***What god did Jacob's wives worship? What god did David's wives worship? What god did Solomon's wives worship? Did God have a problem with these marriages? What nationality were the wives of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob's sons, Moses, David, Solomon....? Did God have a problem with these marriages? The answer is no. What he has a problem with is worshiping other gods, not believing in them. ***What is the first of the ten commandments? "Have no other gods before me." Why not say 'don't believe in other gods,' or 'don't worship other gods,' or 'don't associate with people who believe in other gods?' BECAUSE HE WAS FINE WITH THEM JUST HAVING HIM FIRST. HE DIDN'T EXPECT MONOTHEISM. HE DIDN'T LIKE IT, BUT HE DIDN'T EXPECT EVERYONE TO STOP BELIEVING IN OTHER GODS. HE KNEW THEY WOULD MESS UP; HE JUST WANTED THEM TO KEEP HIM FIRST. SOLOMON FAILED TO DO THIS. MANY PEOPLE DID NOT FAIL TO KEEP GOD FIRST. DO WE PUT OTHER THINGS BEFORE GOD???? YES. DOES GOD WANT THIS???? NO. BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS, HE WANTS US TO REFOCUS AND PUT HIM FIRST AGAIN. ---"If you want to believe differently fine but don’t insult our intelligence or the word of God by trying to convince us you right." ***Thank you for this comment. I just can't support something like divorce or racism, both of which clearly insult the word and nature of God. ischus |
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46 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | ischus | 115554 | ||
Ok, so now I need to hear your view on the current status of Hell, Heaven, and the Kingdom of God. Are you saying that Hell and/or Satan no longer exists? How do you interpret the 1000 years in Rev. 20? What is your view of the "already, not yet" philosophy? ischus |
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47 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115551 | ||
I would also be willing to discuss the theology of baptism (and its origin, significance of John's baptism, Jesus' baptism,etc.), but only from an exegetical standpoint from specific sciptures... I don't care for jumping around the bible and supplying invalid conclusions for salvation, nor do I care for classic theologies lacking in study and logic. ischus |
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48 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115546 | ||
Emmaus, I appreciate your post here, and I respect your interpretation of Ezra. We simply differ here and that's ok. I really do believe in everything you have said about the troubles that these type of mariages can cause, and I am with you on all of your points. MY only point is that in the book of Ezra, God was not asking them to divorce their wives, and you have seen my reasoning for this. I think you are right in requesting another topic here. We have both done our part, and its time to move on. SO...... Here are some other books/topics that I enjoy to discuss: -Ps.22 and Jesus on the cross -1 Cor 2 and the HS -Divorce in the bible :) -Law and Grace in the OT -Ecclesiastes -The Pentateuch What are some things that you have on your mind? By the way, I used to have my age posted on my user information, but I have taken it off recently because of some comments that were directed towards my age. I am old enough to read, and young enough to still get around, so I think I'm doing pretty well. :) ischus |
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49 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115538 | ||
Steve, After Israel returns from exile, the is never another account of them falling into idol worship or polytheism. I am sure that those who took wives were well aware of what they were doing, and were fully commited to Yahweh when they married. Also, Do you have anything to say about the divorce that was "commanded" or the fact that God never has a problem with people marrying Gentiles as long as they remain faithful to him? |
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50 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115537 | ||
EdB and Emmaus, I agree that God does not want people to practice the worship of foreign gods, but you need to look at to things here: First, God is not against marrying who are polytheistic- look at Solomon, David, Moses, Jacob, and others. The sins of Solomon had nothing to do with his marriage, but with his falling away from God instead of showing God to his wives. Second, The passages that you give in Nehemiah are descriptive of the people, not prescriptive Words of God. This is the case for many of the other verses as well. When you look at narritive material, you need to take into account who is speaking, God or man. |
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51 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | ischus | 115409 | ||
A Few more for the list.... 1) what is your definition of the Kingdom that Jesus spoke about (and is it phys. or Spiritual) 2) What was Jesus' ministry about? What was his goal? 3) What did the cross accomplish, and what did it not accomplish? 4)What is God's view of the Jews and the Law today? I will look for your answers tomorrow- I am out for tonight. ischus |
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52 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | ischus | 115404 | ||
Ok, you make good points here. Can you explain to me then, in light of everything that you have said, what exactly Jesus has done already, has yet to do, and where he is at this moment? Also, can you tell me how you interpret Rev.20? |
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53 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115399 | ||
One more thing......... Could you give some examples of: "The whole history of the OT is strewn with cases of the Israelties falling away from faith because of falling in with pagan women and being influenced by their religions." besides the lone reference to Solomon? |
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54 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115398 | ||
Emmaus, First of all, I appreciate your Samaritan stuff, and I didn't mean to make it sound unimportant. Secondly, I thank you for your comments and I respect your answer, since it is a logical argument with textual evidence. Obviously I do not agree, but this is beside the point. I just wanted to know that you took my stuff seriously, which you did, and I respect that, as well as your conclusions. A few questions, though: 1)Can you give me some additional info about your bracketed scribal gloss- I am curious 2)How often has the Talmud proven to be correct about authors of the OT books? 3)Did I not address the issue of the prophets with the Jeremiah passages, as well as with Malachi, who was Ezra's contemporary? 4) Don't you think that the hand of the Lord was on all of his people, especially those he chose to lead? Is it not possible for a good man to make a bad mistake? ischus |
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55 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | ischus | 115396 | ||
SUEDE, Let me tell you where I am at right now, and then I need you to clarify some things for me. I have read through Hebrews and Colossians a few times to get the flow and context, and it seems that Paul and the Hebrew writer have a similar view about those who are still practicing the Law; hence, the same forms and tenses. What I am suggesting is that perhaps they both saw those still living under the Law as "living in the past" so to speak. Since they are living as such, they are addressed as such, and are told that there is something better in the future (the present in the eyes of the author, but an unrealised truth, according to those living under the Law). There are several references in each book to the past actions of the completion, fufillment, and nullification of the Law on the cross. Obviously, you are not going to agree with these conclusions, but since I am working this out with fear and trembling, I think you should at least give my stuff a thought. :) Let me know what you see in my tentative conclusions. Thanks for putting me on the road to growth. ischus |
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56 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | ischus | 115390 | ||
SUEDE, You really hit me in the heart with that last post. I truly have never seen it this way before. I have checked my Greek NT and you are right about all the tenses and everything. Please allow me some time to think this over. This is rocking my boat a little and I don't just want to jettison it out of fear of a paradigm shift. Thank you for your comments, and I will get back to you later with some of my thoughts after I spend some time in study and prayer. Thanks again. ischus |
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57 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115389 | ||
Emmaus, I wrote a three-part post with verse after verse accompanied with detailed, logical thoughts, and you come back with an inroduction to Ezra from a bible. Can you please take my stuff and work with it, rather than take someone else's and sprinkle it over the top to try and make it all taste better? You know that I respect you, but neither your bible introduction, nor your other postings have much in common with what I am presenting as evidence against Ezra, and for the rest of scripture. Your Brother, ischus |
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58 | Intermarriage | Ezra 9:2 | ischus | 115359 | ||
One more thing... Steve, I have read your user info and saw that you are an elder in the Church. I did not know this prior to my exegesis I gave to you on Ezra. I apologize for challenging you and I hope that you will forgive me for this. I do strongly believe that what I said about Ezra is absolutely true, however, I should have done it in a more respectful way. Please let me know what you think of my exegesis, and prayfully consider the implications of both of our views. Look forward to talking with you! ischus |
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59 | why don't people study the old testmant | OT general | ischus | 115346 | ||
Ok, let me try this again- I apologise for whatever mistakes I am making to not address your specific question here. 1)They sacrifice, but not for sins...AGREED 2)It was not necessary in Paul's mind, but they did it anyway...AGREED ??????????WHY?????????? ***Illustration*** Let's say you and I live in the US and a New president gets elected after Bush. His name is Jesus. In his primary and election race, he clearly stated that "the Laws in place are important for those who are living here and must be followed, but when I becomes president I am going to join our country with Iraq, and we will become one country. They will all be moving over here in the first week of my presidency, and we will be living under a new Law, but It's one in your heart. You know it- You follow it and know when you disobey it. I do not expect for you to follow the current Laws anymore at that time, but I do want you to always live by those principles. If you still want to follow the Laws that you live under now- that's great! They are good laws, and I love them. But remember that they were only meant for you, and the other people who will now be your fellow citizens are not used to this law, and I don't want any of you to say that they have to follow it to be "real" Americans (which, by the way, you will be called Ameri-Jesus people). You are used to your law because it is your tradition and culture, it is who you are! Don't leave it behind if it is too hard for you. I know how nuch it means to you, and I know that it just wouldn't seem right without it. But remember That some of the Laws are not needed anymore, likes the ones where you have to go to the white house and put a freshly baked cake on the steps of the white house. I am president now, and I have made the biggest, best cake, and it will be put in the front lawn as soon as I am president, so no one needs to do this, ok?" 3) Read the above illustration |
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60 | What can we do to have salvation | NT general Archive 1 | ischus | 115343 | ||
Rowdy, Amen! Keep preaching this! It may be labeled as "conservative," but it is truly a biblical thing to do. I'm with you, man. ischus |
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