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41 | understanding of these verses? | Jeremiah | Vintage68 | 216343 | ||
Hi John First God says: vs.2 ("You" have driven them away,) Then God says: vs.3 ("I will gather the remnant out of where "I" have driven them) Why is He angry with the pastors, if He was the one that did the driving? Vintage68 |
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42 | understanding of these verses? | Jeremiah | Vintage68 | 216340 | ||
Hi John My mistake:-( I have added the Brackets to what needs clarification. Read the verses again. Vintage68 |
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43 | follow up to 1 corinth 15 question | 1 Cor 15:52 | Vintage68 | 216339 | ||
Hi cmfrantz When dealing with the book of The Revelation, it is best to keep in mind, what Jesus said. Because people have been trying to figure it all out for 2000 yrs. Were not meant to know until it happens. Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Anyway back to your question, where does this vers fit with all of the calculations of the trumpets and the seventieth week. Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Wasn't Daniel's prophesy fulfilled in Christ? If so then couldn't it be possible "we" are in the last week? What I mean is the entire church period, from the Ascension to His glorious return, could be TRIBULATION:-) Vintage68 |
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44 | understanding of these verses? | Jeremiah | Vintage68 | 216337 | ||
Hi John Thanks for the input, but Gill's exposition is not a clarification of the verses, his words are nothing more than a recounting of the same items contained in the verses. On to the ESV Notes. These notes are good as a brief history of the events in Israel of the time, and of the future for Israel (Judah). They come down to a rewording of the same events, ie a more vivid description of the Jeremaic process. But in actuality it says the same as (NASB) Sorry but neither one quite clarify. I thought it was more obvious as to what I was seeing. Jer.23:2,3 2.) Therefore thus says the LORD God of Israel concerning the shepherds who are tending My people: ("You have scattered My flock and driven them away,) and have not attended to them; behold, I am about to (D)attend to you for the (E)evil of your deeds," declares the LORD. 3.) ("Then I Myself will (F)gather the remnant of My flock out of all the countries where I have driven them) and bring them back to their pasture, and they will be fruitful and multiply. Vintage68 |
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45 | I see alot of people are using the title | Acts | Vintage68 | 216211 | ||
Hi John Very nice post. Did Jesus truly instruct Paul? Vintage68 |
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46 | SUICIDE IS HATING GOD | Matt 28:18 | Vintage68 | 216101 | ||
Hi minnow572 This is a verse that I feel should be looked at, in light of your comments. Ephesians 5:29 29.) For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: Using the above verse as a guideline, does a person that commits suicide, have a rational mind? If a person does possess a rational mind, would they commit suicide? When you say "so you clearly will not be saved if you commit suicide" Which of the following statements best describes your position? 1.) The person never was saved? 2.) The person looses their salvation? Vintage68 |
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47 | scripture on why we go through trials | 2 Cor 12:10 | Vintage68 | 215604 | ||
Hi John Thank you for all of the help, you have been most understanding. I am soooo thrilled that you agree with everything. In that you have not refuted anything. But I am curious about one thing, you have a post, I am supposing was to me. What could you have said, that would have gotten . . . One last thing if I may, I do not remember posting any atonement, convoluted or otherwise. Vintage68 |
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48 | An Enemy Has Done This! (Matt 13:24-30) | Bible general Archive 4 | Vintage68 | 215602 | ||
Hi John: May as well have it all This would be the second part. 3.) As far as it being a teaching tool for his disciples, it really isn't a teaching tool for them either, on the grounds, if Jesus was not speaking to the Jews, he would have given the understanding, knowledge and wisdom to be found in the parables, to the disciples in plain language, just as He had always done, with everything else He had ever taught them. Matt. 13:16,17 16.) But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17.) For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. Jesus did not use parables with the disciples, as he did with the people, because by His own mouth, He has already told us the reason the parables were spoken. My contention is, Jesus spoke openly, clearly, and easily to be understood by the disciples. I therefore offer for your approval, these scriptures as an evidence of that. 1.) whenever the disciples would ask Jesus to explain a parable he would always do so. Matt.13:36 36.) Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 2.) Whenever Jesus would speak to them, there were no hidden meanings, as in the parables He was speaking to the people. Matt. 13:44-46 44.) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. 45.) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46.) Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. Matt. 13:47-51 47.) Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48.) Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49.) So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50.) And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 51.) Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. If the information was openly given, it is no longer a parable. It does by definition become a teaching. We all know that every word that Jesus spoke could be called teaching, couldn't it? But it does not fit the criteria of the Parable as a teaching tool, the way you define it. But as Jesus said Himself, a Parable did not teach anybody anything. We have already heard from Jesus, the people would (hear and not understand, see and not perceive) Again what was Jesus teaching? But this time I also ask, who was He teaching in the form of a parable? 4.) The truth to be found in the parables of Jesus, are always, without exception, only about the Kingdom of God (Heaven). the kingdom of heaven is like unto, the kingdom of heaven is like unto, the kingdom of heaven is like unto He who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Vintage68 |
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49 | An Enemy Has Done This! (Matt 13:24-30) | Bible general Archive 4 | Vintage68 | 215601 | ||
Hi Doc. you say 1.) "The doctrine of sola scriptura helps us understand the many aspects of the Word of God. When we consider things like the sufficiency and the necessity of Scripture, we come to understand that God has providentially provided at any given time in human history all that is needful for "all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience." Whether the divinely inspired writer realized that he was penning the Word or not, is really neither here nor there." ---------- I Agree 2.) "Even in the times of the primitive church, we have clear assurances concerning what the Holy Spirit was providing in terms of revelation of the Word of God to His own. Peter, consequently, assures us that these precious epistles are part of Scripture. Consider the following:" ---------- I Agree 3.) "Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things [the denouement and consummation of God's purposes in redemptive history], be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction." (2 Peter 3:14-16 NASB)" ----------- I Agree 4.) As R. C. Sproul put it once, we have a fallible canon of infallible Scriptures. We may be confident, though, that God has assuredly provided and protected the Word for us (Hebrews 1:1-2). ------- I Agree Doc, What would give you the Idea, I do not believe these things you have just posted to me? If they are in a response to my post to John, I may have worded things wrong, thereby giving you that impression, I am sorry for that. It was my intent to only ask a legitimate question of John. For the purpose of clarification, before I posted him. His statement to me was worded in such a way, I was of the understanding, his (Johns) statements were based on knowledge "HE" now possess, 2000 yrs. after the parables were spoken, having all of the canon within his possession, and that I was going against that canon. I am not. I am not saying that the parables cannot be used as a Teaching Tool. I am saying that Jesus did not use them that way, for the reasons I have stated. This is a Study Bible Forum, if I am in error, show me the error, everyone wants the bible to be read literally, you can't get any more literal than taking what has been said at face value. Quoting it. I have not used any other verse within the whole canon of scripture, I have not jumped around from book to book, attempting to draw together what I have stated, only those verses to be found within Matt.13 itself. I have done nothing other than voice my exegeses of the chapter. So Doc, in conclusion, please take the time to go over what I have posted on this subject, my conclusions. Then post me back, on where the error has been made. Thank you for your time, I respect your opinion. Vintage68 |
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50 | An Enemy Has Done This! (Matt 13:24-30) | Bible general Archive 4 | Vintage68 | 215598 | ||
Hi John you ask: how do we reconcile the statement: "To be a teaching tool as some have espoused, is a false assumption." When we hold it up against 2 Tim 3:16 You are using (2 Tim. 3:16) as the proof text, or your rule so to speak, by which we should judge. Lets look at that rule, This letter was written after Jesus had ascended, so then, using your understanding, ( reasoning), Jesus was not using His parables as a teaching tool. Period. On the grounds, they were not scripture when He spoke them. In other words, He was not Teaching scripture, He was Creating scripture. He was speaking words, that have since become scripture, therefore we can now use these scriptures as teaching tools, as per. 2 Tim 3:16 you go no to say: "Can you please give us some Scripture or perhaps some reputable commentary to lend some support to so bold a statement?" Are you asking for a sign? I will use the most reputable authority I can possibly think of. And His own commentary. 1.) A parable was a tool Jesus used, to tell truth to the Jewish people, without them ever being able, to come to the knowledge of that truth. Matt. 13:10-11 10.) And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11.) He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, (but to them it is not given.) Therefore from the mouth of Jesus He says He is "NOT TEACHING THEM" anything! If you are of a different opinion, what He was teaching them? 2) The use of the parables of Jesus were for the express purpose of Him fulfilling Prophesy. To be a teaching tool as some have espoused, is a false assumption. Matt.13:13,14 13.) Therefore speak I to them in parables: (because they seeing see not); (and hearing they hear not), (neither do they understand). 14.) (And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias), which saith, (By hearing ye shall hear), (and shall not understand); (and seeing ye shall see), (and shall not perceive): By His own mouth He says, prophesy is being fulfilled, this is why I use Parables. No other reason is given. Jesus was speaking to the (Jewish people), knowing they (could not, would not, and did not), ever come to the knowledge to be found within His parables. Therefore how is it a teaching tool for their benefit? Again I ask you what was He teaching them? Vintage68 |
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51 | An Enemy Has Done This! (Matt 13:24-30) | Bible general Archive 4 | Vintage68 | 215592 | ||
Hi John Just a Quick question??? When Paul says to Timothy "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. What scripture was Paul referring to? Was there a canon of scripture at the time of this letter to Timothy? 170 AD produced the first known Christian attempt at an (Old Testament) canon. The Council of Carthage, a local north Africa council of bishops created the same list of canonical books in 397. This is the council which many Protestant and Evangelical Christians take as the authority for the (New Testament) canon of books. The Old Testament canon from the same council is identical to Roman Catholic canon today. ..... Catholic Biblical Apologetics, © Copyright 1985-2004, Paul Flanagan and Robert Schihl Vintage68 |
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52 | An Enemy Has Done This! (Matt 13:24-30) | Bible general Archive 4 | Vintage68 | 215555 | ||
Hi Doc in your post, you say. "Of the 33 parables of Christ, how many of them were for people other than the disciples? Two perhaps? Maybe three?" Would you be so kind, as to provide me with this list of the 33, with the possible 2 or 3 you have mentioned, I would really appreciate it. Because in this chapter alone, there are 4 parables spoken to the people. you go on to say. "Even the passage in Matthew 13 (which you cited) regarded the Lord's answer to an explicit question regarding parables from His disciples." What are you intimating by the fact He was only answering an explicit question? Unless I have missed something, Matt.13 is the chapter in which the question was originally asked, which started this thread. Therefore any answer Jesus might have given, was in direct relation to the context of this chapter. I offer as a conformation, of that answer made by Jesus, these two verses, you will find they are saying virtually the same things, as do the verses 10 - 17 previously posted, But these two, are not in relation to any question asked. 34.) All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: 35.) That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. welcome back Vintage68 |
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53 | Hank is wainting, are you ready? | 2 Cor 1:10 | Vintage68 | 215502 | ||
Hi justme I feel that James said it about as good as it can be said, no improvement necessary:-) These words, are inspired by God, they describe the end result first, connoting Hope - Faith which are uplifting to our spirits. Our Heavenly Father desires us to be always constant, never ceasing. For we already know, we have those things, we desire of Him. "I will bless the LORD at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth." "Offer unto God thanksgiving," for all He has done. "Give unto the LORD the glory due unto his name; worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness." For we are the righteousness of God in Christ, knowing "he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." Therefor we know that what soever we may ask in Jesus name believing, he hears us. James 5:16 The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Vintage68 |
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54 | Luke 10:1 | Luke 10:1 | Vintage68 | 215459 | ||
Hi Makarios Thanks for the prompt answer. Just wanted to hear your views. I feel the same way, He knew what he would find, he had been telling his disciples that he would be killed, for a long time. Plus he had been talking to the people in Parables, so they would not understand and repent. Matt. 23 Is where I feel Jesus is more voicing the thoughts of God, and His remorse for ALL the Jewish nation had ever done, or failed to do. Blessings Vintage68 |
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55 | Luke 10:1 | Luke 10:1 | Vintage68 | 215456 | ||
Hi Makarios When you say "But after Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, and despite all of His efforts at spreading the Word of His Coming, He would still find Jerusalem unrepentant and unready at the time of His first Coming" Do you feel Jesus was surprised? Or was He just disappointed? With the light of, Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem," My question is, (why) to both questions. Vintage68 |
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56 | Chosen one | 1 Cor 6:19 | Vintage68 | 215323 | ||
Hi Lionheart Rabbinic law was based in scripture, but that is where they ceased to resemble each other. The Rabbis added to the simplest of laws given, thereby making them very complicated, and hard to follow. Case in point is the law about not working on the Sabbath, I heard a very devout Jew one day, relating this with PRIDE, "we not only are not supposed to work on the Sabbath, but the law says we should put away our paper, and pencils, so that we wont even touch them, because they represent work, if we do touch them we are then guilty." That is the letter of the law, if I have ever heard it. But I was only pointing out that we just don't know, I felt the people, God had chosen to speak to, would have a better handle on it than we would, because it isn't anywhere in the New Testament. I don't want to give credence to Rabbinic law, but the Jews have a longer tradition, of separating themselves from such things. Takeing it in a literal sense, in my mind, tattooing is not of God. It is defacing Gods property, we are told to keep ourselves unspotted from the world, I believe tattooing is from Satan, and of the world. As God has said, "come out from them and be ye separate." You can now see, I have come back to my original statement, it would all be speculation, nobody knows. Vintage68 |
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57 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | Vintage68 | 215181 | ||
Hi strts5 I have enjoyed your posts. Just as a possible help for you,Morant61 once posted that he was having trouble with loosing his posts before they would be finished, and he started to use an E-Mail then copying and pasting it to the forum. I find this to be a good way to do it, with the added advantage of a spell check, which a lot of people can also use:-) Hope this helps you Vintage68 |
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58 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | Vintage68 | 215178 | ||
John Goodnight God Bless Vintage68 |
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59 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | Vintage68 | 215175 | ||
Hi Morant61 No Tim, to the contrary, I believe you are the one that has misread my post. The use of Mr. Copeland's name, was an example of someone I felt you, would never recommend to anyone. I then used your own quotes, about Mr. MacArthur, to demonstrate the fact, he is not to be trusted either. Based on the same criteria, used to judge Mr. Copeland. The bible being the sole authority, You would do well to take everything Dr. MacArthur says with several grains of salt. In your correction of Asure, as to her mistaken beliefs. Because this man was not someone to be trusted, and your admonishing her to beware, he then looses all credibility. Your own words, demonstrate, this man has intentionally taken the Word of God, set it aside, or twisted it to mean whatever he wanted it to mean, then voiced his own beliefs above those of the bible in "several very unusual positions in his various books". Thereby making merchandise of the body of Christ. In doing these things he labels himself as a deceiver. A deceiver is someone that we are to beware of. Vintage68 |
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60 | speaking in tounges | 1 Cor 12:30 | Vintage68 | 215173 | ||
Hi John I had hope when I first posted, but was sadly mistaken;-( Vintage68 |
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