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41 | Who is Jesus' God? | John 3:16 | Tara1 | 111977 | ||
Greetings to you Huron, I've not written to you before. I hope you appreciate this study of this verse. This reply is long but covers the subject well. What you wrote, you only wish it was that easy. :-) No, this verse in the Greek does not say that. Hebrews 1:8 says: “But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your [the Son’s] throne forever and ever.’” This shows that Jesus’ throne, his office or authority as a sovereign, has its source in Jehovah the Almighty God. True, the Authorized Version, or King James Version, renders Hebrews 1:8 this way: “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.” Thus, these translators have it that Jesus is shown to be the same as Almighty God. This cannot be correct. First, note the context. In many translations, either in the main text or in the margin, Hebrews 1:9 reads, “God, your God, anointed you.” This makes it clear that the one addressed in verse eight is not God, but one who worships God and is anointed by him. Secondly, it should be noted that Hebrews 1:8, 9 is a quotation from Psalm 45:6, 7, more specifically the Greek Septuagint which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Surely the writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God and neither did the writer of Hebrews think that Jesus was Almighty God. Commenting on this, scholar B. F. Westcott said: “It is scarcely possible that [‘Elo·him´, “God”] in the original can be addressed to the king. . . . Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God.’” The New World Translation and a number of other translations render Hebrews 1:8 as, “God is your throne.” (Please note: An American Translation, Moffatt; also the marginal reading in American Standard Version, Revised Standard Version and The New English Bible.) This makes it clear that the “Son,” Jesus Christ, has a God who is higher than he is. Quite frankly, and many take offense to being frank but the truth of the matter is Hebrews 1:8 in translation you used, is mistranslated to support the trinity doctrine. Greek scholars Edgar j. Goodspeed, James Moffatt and Stephen T. Byington agree with the NWT of this verse. Read and see for yourself the alternative readings for this verse offered by the RSV and NEB, and you will see a definite theological bias in the KJV. So, in Greek, the verse reads as follows: pros de ton huion ho thronos sou ho Theos eis ton aiona tou aionos kai he rhabdos tes euthutetos rhabdos tes basileias autou (Westcott-Hort). Also the TEV translates the passage in a way that would seem to uphold the notion that Christ is God on some level. It says: "About the Son, however, God said: "Your kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever! You will rule over your people with justice," whereas Byington's Bible in Living English renders Heb. 1:8 thusly: "but as to the Son 'God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of integrity is the scepter of his reign.' From a comparison of the two Bible versions cited above, translational and theological questions immediately come to the fore. Heb. 1:8 makes us wonder how we are to understand what the book of Hebrews says about the ontological status of our Lord and Savior. Does the book of Hebrews teach that Jesus is Almighty God? Alternatively, does it ontologically subordinate him to the Father? Let’s approach Heb. 1:8 from three primary perspectives: (1) From an Old Testament perspective (2) From a cotextual perspective. That is, I will examine the word proskuneo in Heb. 1:6 and try to discern how its meaning bears on one's understanding of Theos and thronos in Heb. 1:8. (3) Lastly, I will consider the syntax of Heb. 1:8 and attempt to determine how one either should or might construe the word order in the said passage. I will argue that Heb. 1:8 should be interpreted as a royal account that religiously delineates the kingly status of the risen and exalted Christ without attributing to him, full Deity. We will therefore begin by outlining the structure of Heb. 1:1-8 and discussing verse by verse how each unit of the text contributes to understanding Heb. 1:8. Tara1 |
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42 | Who is Jesus' God? | John 3:16 | Tara1 | 111934 | ||
Jesus’ God is Jehovah. Without question Jesus is to be loved, and honored as the Son of God. He willingly left his heavenly position in the spirit realm became a mere man and died on behalf of mankind as a redemptive offer accepted by Almighty God. John 3:16 Here are a few of the many instances that refer to “Jesus’ God“. This helps me to understand and appreciate who’s who on the matter of Jesus and Jesus’ God. 1) Matt. 3:16, “ After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.” These verses tell us that God and Jesus are distinct, and says that Jesus is God’s Son. It does not say “the Father’s Son” but God’s Son. Furthermore, God approved of him. Certainly if Jesus were God incarnate (an ancient Egyptian belief) such an approval would be unnecessary. 2) Matt. 4:3, “If you are a son of God,” Jesus is one of many sons of God. This verse does not say that Jesus is God. But John 1:18 tells us that certainly Jesus is to be recognized in his high position by saying that he (Jesus) is God’s only- begotten god, as the most reliable manuscripts call him. 3) Matt. 4:7, “Jesus said to him: “Again it is written, ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’” Quoting Deut. 6:16 Jesus tells us who God is. Here Jesus was not speaking of himself but of his Father and the succeeding verses then sum it up even clearer by telling us who should be honored as the Almighty God and who should be honored as the Son of God. By saying in verse 10, “ For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’ Jesus was quoting Deut 10:20 4) Matt. 27:46, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Jesus has a God by saying , “My God”. Jehovah never says, “my God”. 5) Mark 1:24, “the Holy One of God.” Speaking of Jesus, he is of God, clearly not God. 6) When Mark 5:7 says that Jesus, is the Son of the Most High God, and James 2:19 says, “ You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well,” how is the fact that Jesus is also called Theos in John 1:1 and John 20:24-29 to be understood? Clearly Jesus’ being Almighty God’s first and only direct “Son” makes him one to be honored as such but not though to be honored as the One from who he came. That honor goes only to the Father, Jesus’ God. 7) John 17:3, RS: “[Jesus prayed to his Father:] This is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God [“who alone art truly God,” NE], and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” Jesus referred not to himself but to his Father in heaven as “the only true God.” Jesus, not being a “false” god but a god in the sense of God’s only begotten god,( John 1:18) is honored as such second only to his God and Father Jehovah. 8) John 20:17, RS: “Jesus said to her [Mary Magdalene], ‘Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” So to the resurrected Jesus, the Father was God, just as the Father was God to Mary Magdalene. Interestingly, not once in Scripture do we find the Father addressing the Son as “my God.” That Jehovah was truly the Father or Life-Giver to this firstborn Son and, hence, that this Son was actually a creature of God is evident from Jesus’ own statements. He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, “I live because of the Father.” According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice. John 6:56, 57. Tara1 |
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43 | Why is YHWH found in the New Testament? | Matthew | Tara1 | 110299 | ||
Hello CDBJ, To believe or not believe that Jesus is Almighty God is a personal choice one has to make. I base, as you probably do too my choice on what I have been told, what research I have done, and finally what the Father has given me. Speaking of Jesus first then Jehovah, John 6:44 tells me, "No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him. Our getting to know the truth about the “Word” is not a matter of mere academic interest. It is something that has a bearing on our everlasting future. This is clear from Jesus’ words: “Eternal life means knowing you as the only true God, and knowing Jesus your messenger as Christ.” (John 17:3, An American Translation) Such knowing of God and Christ means knowing them as persons and enjoying a good relationship with them. Clearly, one who has a distorted view of Jesus’ identity and position in relation to his Father would know neither the Father nor the Son. But I am talking about the "apostasy" and in this context, it does not mean just a lapse or a falling away due to spiritual weakness. The Greek word here used for “apostasy” meant, among other things, a “defection” or a “revolt.” Several translations render it as “rebellion.” William Barclay’s version states: “That day cannot come until the Great Rebellion has taken place.” The Jerusalem Bible calls it “the Great Revolt.” Therefore, in the context of what Paul is discussing, “apostasy” means a revolt against true worship. How and when did this apostasy, this rebellion, develop? At 2 Thessalonians 2:6, Paul wrote, regarding his day, about “the thing that acts as a restraint” on the lawless one. What was that? It was the restraining force of the apostles. Their presence, with their powerful gifts bestowed by holy spirit, prevented apostasy from then becoming an epidemic. (Acts 2:1-4; 1 Corinthians 12:28) But when the apostles had died, by about the end of the first century, the restraining brakes were removed. Tara1 |
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44 | Why is YHWH found in the New Testament? | Matthew | Tara1 | 110298 | ||
Hello again, The left hand side is what is considered my many as the oldest and thus the best mss but still isn't thought by any scholar as what the original 100 per cent must have been. For years we thought and perhaps some still do, that the King James Version based on what is referred to as the Textus Receptus or “Received Text” was the most reliable ms. The NWT is based primarily on the Westcott and Hort's work but also Hebrew mss and other ancient mss in it's translation for the New Testament. Therefore Jehovah is found in it(NWT). Jehovah in the New Testament is also found in the following New Testament Bibles for similar reasons. (Well over 200 translations) http://hector3000.future.easyspace.com/jhvh.htm |
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45 | Why is YHWH found in the New Testament? | Matthew | Tara1 | 110287 | ||
If the left handed side were indeed the "original" as you say, then it would have contained the Tetragrammaton. Evidence shows that kurios was subsituted for it. | ||||||
46 | Why is YHWH found in the New Testament? | Matthew | Tara1 | 110286 | ||
2 Thessalonians 2:3 tells it all. If it happened once it certainly could happen again and evidently did. Yes, subsequent Hebrew mss lacked the Tetragrammaton whereas the earliest mss contained it. Also, "all those mss were tampered with". The apostasy occurred as soon as the apostles died! So all those mss were very very few. |
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47 | source references | OT general | Tara1 | 110227 | ||
Dear Kalos, Justme wrote "well written"! This piece of the watchman.org site may have been well written but certainly is not accurate. Here is a list of the misleading inaccuracies: 1). "Watchtower Bible" is not the accurate name of the "New World Translation" nor of the "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's" name. 2). Jehovah was not inserted but restored in the proper places. 3) It also states; Of course, it is appropriate for a translator to choose to use the divine name JEHOVAH or YAHWEH in the Old Testament where the Tetragrammator YHWH actually appears in the Hebrew text. However, the Watchtower has gone beyond this by inserting the name JEHOVAH in the New Testament, where it does not appear in Greek manuscripts. One need only examine the oldest Hebrew manuscripts of Matthew (originally written in Hebrew) and notice the Divine Name some 26 times. 4) The Kingdom Interlinear has the New Translation in the right hand colomn and does contain the Divine Name. The interlinear portion is the work of Westcott and Hort and used manuscripts that had changed the Divine Name from Jehovah to Lord. Jesus used either the LXX or Hebrew texts and both contained the Divine Name thousands of times! What a shame that several translations today have done the dishonour of changing what the original Bible had! Just read for yourself Matthew 4:10 Jesus' own words where he calls his Father by his name Jehovah and also even calls him God. He quotes Deut. 10:20 which used the Divine name Jehovah, so he likewise used Jehovah, otherwise he would have misquoted Deut 10:20 |
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48 | Types of Fornication(Masturbation) | Matt 15:19 | Tara1 | 107279 | ||
Hi again, Yes, and it agrees with the "Young people ask" book, that masturbation is not fornication but not with your comment. Tara1 |
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49 | Types of Fornication(Masturbation) | Matt 15:19 | Tara1 | 107242 | ||
Hi Aniset, You were doing very good in your answers untill this one. cd-rom Young People Ask book. says, "Since masturbation is not directly condemned in the Bible, does this mean it is harmless? Absolutely not! Though it is not classed with such gross sins as fornication, masturbation is surely an unclean habit. (Ephesians 4:19) The principles of God’s Word thus indicate that you “benefit yourself” by strongly resisting this unclean habit.—Isaiah 48:17." Tara1 |
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50 | source references | OT general | Tara1 | 107238 | ||
Hi Colin, I really don't know, bottom line. JW's say yes and you have probably read their reasoning for saying so. It seems logical according to their reasoning but since so little is said in the Bible about Michael the arch arngel, I don't know. I realize you asked if "Gabriel" was Jesus but I know you meant to ask me if Michael was Jesus. For a certainty though Colin Jesus is not Jehovah, never was never will be. He is Jehovah's Son, Second in all the universe. Praise and glory to whom Jesus said to give it, the Father, our Almighty God, God of Jesus, Jehovah. Sorry to disappoint you but truth is truth. Tara1 |
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51 | scripture supporting Trinity doctrine? | Ps 83:18 | Tara1 | 106577 | ||
Hello again, When you say the NWT is unique in this regard of translation, what did you have in mind and why? I assumed a verse or two but wanted to know for sure and too why? Tara1 |
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52 | scripture supporting Trinity doctrine? | Ps 83:18 | Tara1 | 106523 | ||
Hi again Colin, That site did not answer my question, especially since it was a personal question to you. Thanks anyway. Tara1 |
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53 | scripture supporting Trinity doctrine? | Ps 83:18 | Tara1 | 106496 | ||
Hi Colin, You said, "the JW "bible" is unique in this regard. In regards to what specifically? The John 1:1 translation? Tara1 |
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54 | Prophetic perfect tense in other verses? | Ps 102:16 | Tara1 | 101462 | ||
Hello justme, I didn't avoid answering your question. Also, I clearly stated that I consider myself a witness of Jehovah, but before answering your question, which I was willing to do, I simply wanted you to make clear to me what you said about me and "cults". I have never as you say, "debated over what a cult is" much less "many times". Anyway, it appears you have judged me, evidently as as "wolf in sheep's skin". I'm also sorry for upsetting you Justme. As you say, this forum is for those of us that are Christians but also do as the board requests: NOTICE: Pushing one's denominational bias and engaging in debates, such as Calvinism/Arminianism, are strictly forbidden on this StudyBibleForum. Failure to comply may result in revocation of your privilege to post to this Forum. All I'm interested in is Bible Study and learning what it says and not what "man" says. Love of God and his Son moves me to help others too to do what John 17:3 tells us, "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."-NASB Tara1 |
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55 | Prophetic perfect tense in other verses? | Ps 102:16 | Tara1 | 101423 | ||
Hello just me. Before I can answer your questions, please tell me why you accuse me of being part of a cult? I regard myself as a Witness of Jehovah. Is a cult in your understanding of the word, (cult) a bad thing? Would you include the first century Christians in this category? I understand a cult, as the English language is, might mean different things to different people. Sincerely Tara1 |
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56 | Prophetic perfect tense in other verses? | Ps 102:16 | Tara1 | 99813 | ||
Hi Johonadab, It is most refreshing to see the NWT being quoted as it most accurately and honestly translates the Hebrew. I'm not saying it's perfect but I've yet to come across a better Bible version and I have about 40 translations I use. Some of the versions prefer to use Yahweh instead of Jehovah for Jesus' God's name and that is probably closer to reflecting the most accurate English rendition/transliteration. But as far as an "English" translation "Jehovah" still portrays accurately the Almighty's personal name. Of course, if religions want to make Jehovah's Son, Jesus one and the same Almighty God of the universe, by their mistranslation, that's their choice. But that's simply not what the Bible teaches. Sincerely Tara1 |
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57 | Prophetic perfect tense in other verses? | Ps 102:16 | Tara1 | 99812 | ||
Hi Mr. Arnold, We obviously have some very opinionated contributors who evidently "attack" based on ignorance. Please don't be afraid of a translation of the Holy Scriptures that both praises the Almighty God Jehovah and Jesus Christ as his Son. A comparison of many translations agree with the NWT and we easily see a theological bias as the basis for the many mistranslated verses of those deferring from the NWT. Sincerely Tara1 |
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58 | WHAT WAS THE BEGINNING OF HALLOWEEN... | 1 Thess 5:22 | Tara1 | 99486 | ||
Hi Makarios I like what you have written. Please though, let me interject my understanding of the Bible's use of the word Lucifer. Lucifer--- Light-bringer, the Latin name of the morning-star, or "son of the morning." In the figurative language of Scripture, a brilliant star denoted an illustrious prince, Nu 24:17. Christ was given to men as the "bright and morning Star," Re 2:28; 22:16. The word Lucifer is used once only in the English Bible, and then of the king of Babylon, Isa 14:12. It is now commonly, though inappropriately, given to the prince of darkness. ---American Tract Society Bible Dictionary. Brilliant star, a title given to the king of Babylon (Isa. 14:12) to denote his glory. --Easton's Bible Dictionary Nebuchadnezzar called by this name. Isa 14:12 ----Nave's Topical Bible (light-bearer), found in (Isaiah 14:12) coupled with the epithet "son of the morning," clearly signifies a "bright star," and probably what we call the morning star. In this passage it is a symbolical representation of the king of Babylon in his splendor and in his fall. Its application, from St. Jerome downward, to Satan in his fall from heaven arises probably from the fact that the Babylonian empire is in Scripture represented as the type of tyrannical and self idolizing power, and especially connected with the empire of the Evil One in the Apocalypse. ---- Smith's Bible Dictionary Lucifer n. [L., bringing light, n., the morning star, fr. lux, lucis, light - ferre to bring.] 1. The planet Venus, when appearing as the morning star; -- applied in Isaiah by a metaphor to a king of Babylon. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground which didst weaken the nations ! Is. xiv. 12. Tertullian and Gregory the Great understood this passage of Isaiah in reference to the fall of Satan; in consequence of which the name Lucifer has since been applied to Satan. Kitto. Lucifer n. [L., bringing light, n., the morning star, fr. lux, lucis, light - ferre to bring.] 1. The planet Venus, when appearing as the morning star; -- applied in Isaiah by a metaphor to a king of Babylon. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground which didst weaken the nations ! Is. xiv. 12. Tertullian and Gregory the Great understood this passage of Isaiah in reference to the fall of Satan; in consequence of which the name Lucifer has since been applied to Satan. Kitto. ---- Webster's Unabridged Dictionary Not that it is a really big deal but we really do need to be cautious in the applying of scriptures so that they correctly present God’s Word. Here you say that one of the names given to Satan the Devil is Lucifer. Isaiah 14:12-16. According to the Authorized Version (King James), verse twelve says: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” The word “Lucifer” is a translation of the Hebrew word heh·lel´, “shining one.” Heh·lel´, as here used, is not a personal name or a title, but, rather, a term describing the brilliant position taken by Babylon’s dynasty of kings in the line of Nebuchadnezzar. It would not be correct to say that Satan the Devil is the one here called Lucifer as though it were one of his names. The expression here refers primarily to the king of Babylon, for, according to verse four, this is a “proverbial saying against the king of Babylon.” Also, verses fifteen and sixteen of this chapter fourteen say that this “shining one” (Lucifer) is to be brought down to Sheol, which is mankind’s common grave, not an abiding place for Satan the Devil. Furthermore, the fact is that those seeing this “shining one” brought into this condition say: “Is this the man that was agitating the earth, that was making kingdoms rock?” Satan is not a man but an invisible spirit creature. If Satan were Lucifer then this would mean that Satan, instead of ruling over hell and keeping its fires burning, is rejected and debased even in his own domain. Thus, while the king of Babylon reflected the attitude of his father, the Devil, still the word Lucifer was not a name given to Satan the Devil. By “handling the word of the truth aright” we are prepared to speak the clear sayings of God as we have them on the printed pages of the Bible. Yours Tara1 |
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59 | What's Hebrew for soulWhere in Scripture | Gen 2:7 | Tara1 | 97763 | ||
Hello Asis, is what I meant. Sorry. |
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60 | What's Hebrew for soulWhere in Scripture | Gen 2:7 | Tara1 | 97762 | ||
Hello Nathaniel, What is the Hebrew word for spirit? In regards to spirit and animals, could you please explain these verses for me? Gen 6:17; 7:15, 22 and Ecclesiastes 3:18-22. Thanx Yours Tara1 |
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