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41 | What in the world was Paul thinking?!? | 2 Tim 4:18 | JibbyJee | 89017 | ||
Greetings Hank! Thank you for the kind words! I hope those who don't believe in the perseverance of the saints will see that Paul certainly believed in it. I also pray people will receive the great joy and peace that is found in knowing what we hope for is sure! Christ can't lose a Christian!! In Christ, JibbyJee |
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42 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 88987 | ||
Dear gracefull: Thank you for the update. There is no need to rush an answer. I'm here everyday and don't plan on going anywhere, so take all the time you need to study the Bible and pray about the issue. I know how hard it can be to think outside our own "box" (I've only been 'reformed' for 6 months), so I will be happy to answer any questions you may have to the best of my ability. Also, here is a link on regeneration that I hope you will scrutinize under the microscope of Scripture. It was a significant clencher to my change of mind and admission that my view of synergism (regeneration as a result of faith) was wrong. I hope it helps you. Here's the web address: http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/sproul01.html In Christ, JIBBS |
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43 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | JibbyJee | 88946 | ||
Dear Andrew: It breaks my heart to hear of another brother in Christ going through trials and uncertainty about God, who is the very essence of Reality. My friend, I plead with you to trust GOD and GOD alone, and not the puffed up "wisdom" of men like that God-hating website. I urge you to read and meditate on Jesus' parable about the wheat and the tares and how there will be be unbelievers who hypocritically masquerade as the real deal. These same parasites that infest the Visible Church invent heresies in an attempt to subvert GOD and His elect. So, yes, there will be division in the Visible Church, but not amongst TRUE Christians. If you could elaborate on the nature of what it is that you are doubting, we will be in prayer for you and perhaps God will lead someone to give you a comforting answer. Also, there are many "intellectuals" both in and out of the Church. For someone to say they are leaving the church because they are "too intellectual" is not only the height of arrogance, but ironically, is also the epitome of stupidity. 1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made void. 1Co 1:18 For the word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved it is the power of God. 1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And the discernment of the discerning will I bring to nought. 1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 1Co 1:21 For seeing that in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom knew not God, it was God's good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe. Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; But the foolish despise wisdom and instruction. I hope and pray that you will find peace and comfort in the LORD GOD. Sincerely, JIBBS |
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44 | One example of loosing salvation NT | Luke 8:13 | JibbyJee | 88943 | ||
Greetings New Creature! I hope you don't mind if I jump in the conversation mid-way. You've said repeatedly that you don't see any "real Scriptural support" of the OSAS doctrine, but you were able to see it, you would be. Well, I would hope so. I also hope you are sincere in your desire to understand the OSAS perspective and even to embrace it in all it's glorious splendor. The doctrine itself is derived from the Glory of Christ. You wrote:"" I agree, God is the author of our salvation. He authored and initiated salvation not us. But what has that got to do with the topic of whether or not salvation can be forfeited or not? Is there not any more solid support from the Bible than what you have provided so far? Give me something solid."" You agree that God AUTHORED our salvation. Good for you! Many "Christians" would even debate that, surprisingly! But let's take a look at the verse itself to see what else it says: Heb 12:2 looking unto Jesus the author AND PERFECTOR of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising shame, and hath sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. ,,,,AND PERFECTOR. Hmm... Would does that mean?? In Christ, JIBBS |
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45 | Why do we not keep the 7th day Sabbath | Col 2:16 | JibbyJee | 88904 | ||
Greetings Nosnarc! I believe you are free in Christ do observe Sat. or Sun. as your Sabbath. The reason being, of course, is because Jesus is the FULFILLMENT of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:8, Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5, John 7:23). I believe the Saturday Sabbath marked the Day God rested from the Creation, thus pointed to Christ, whereas Sunday Sabbath signifies Redemption which has been accomplished in Christ. Therefore, as He has become our Sabbath, and we rest in him (Heb. 4:8-11), we observe the day of Redemption (a Sunday marked the historical Resurrection) as our Sabbath. But this is all my opinion and I don't believe it's an issue to divide over, although there are cults out there that wish to do so to their own peril (Col. 2:16). Hope that helps! In Christ, Jibbs |
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46 | God's plan | Rom 1:18 | JibbyJee | 88847 | ||
Greetings Joe! I've been sitting here for the last 20 minutes reading this post and just thought I'd let you know that I really appreciate the teaching you've done here and give you some encouragement to keep up the good work. The key to understanding the whole of Scripture is a right understanding of the Sovereign nature of the Lord. You've done well to demonstate this truth for all who have ears to hear. John 8:47. In Christ, Jibbs |
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47 | Why do we not keep the 7th day Sabbath | Col 2:16 | JibbyJee | 88845 | ||
Dear Vivene: Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: There ya go! In Christ, Jibbs |
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48 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 88823 | ||
Hi gracefull! I noticed you have made a few posts since I replied to this one over the weekend and was wondering if you've had a chance to read and contemplate my response to you. I'm eager to hear from you. In Christ, JibbyJee |
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49 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | JibbyJee | 88746 | ||
Greetings retxar: Judging by the disrespectful tone of your reply, my conclusion is that you've made up your mind what the passage says and no one else could possibly be correct. Nevertheless, I will respond to your post. I use the ASV, KJV, NKJV, NASB, and NIV. All of them, in my opinion of course, clearly teach that all who are drawn are lifted up to eternal life in the CONTEXT of John 6:35-45. So, I will assume you are using one or more of those translations and therefore the subject is clearly NOT translation, but rather INTERPRETATION. To you, it simply says whatever (you've yet to explain anything) and to me it simply says all who are drawn to Christ by the Father are raised up to eternal life. So, should we figure out who's interpretation is "simpler" and declare the victor? I should hope not. Here's how I understand the verses in their own context. Perhaps that will give you a bit more meat to chew on instead of just throwing a flurry of rhetorical punches. Joh 6:35 Jesus said unto them. I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger, and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not. Joh 6:37 All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.((Are all men given to the Son??)) Joh 6:38 For I am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. Joh 6:39 And this is the will of him that sent me, that of all that which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. Joh 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 6:41 The Jews therefore murmured concerning him, because he said, I am the bread which came down out of heaven. Joh 6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how doth he now say, I am come down out of heaven? Joh 6:43 Jesus answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day. ((This is clearly connecting "DRAW" with their "BELIEF". Notice it says "no one CAN come", signifying inability, yet in spite of the inability the father DRAWS him. And Jesus clearly shows (notice the punctuation, a colon) that this man that was DRAWN will also be raised up on the last day. This raising up cannot be divorced from the context of previous verses such as John 6:37 or 6:40, nor can it be seperated from the following verse:) Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall all be taught of God. Every one that hath heard from the Father, and hath learned, cometh unto me. I don't understand how ANYBODY can say these verses are NOT talking about CHRIST doing the will of His Father--raising those who are drawn to Him to eternal life. Other than the strong traditions that sometimes blind us from the truth. If you care to give an explanation of John 6:35-45 from your point of view, please do so. I would love to hear your side in detail. In Christ, Jibbs |
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50 | Boasting in Man Is Doubly Excluded | Is 2:11 | JibbyJee | 88623 | ||
Dear Tim: LoL!! I know I may be a bit dense at times, but c'mon brother, you only need to say it once!!! Gimme a break! No, I'm being silly. It's happened to me before, too. I've heard the "gift" analogy many, many times. But in that construct, please answer this objection honestly: You wrote:"Those who believe that Christ died for all and draws all, do not believe that our choice of God is the determinate factor in salvation. The determinate factor is God's timeless decision to die on the cross for the sins of the world." Please be patient with me. I don't understand this at all. To me it's almost a non-statement. How does Jesus dying on the cross for the "WORLD" become the determining factor in the salvation of INDIVIDUALS?? If Jesus' substitutionary payment for our sins on the cross is the determining factor for our salvation as you say it is (I agree so far), not only for us, but also for every other individual on earth, then why aren't ALL PEOPLE SAVED? (Hint; Only the elect will be saved. Matt. 24:31) The whole gift thing (accept/reject) is not found in the Bible. It is a gift ONLY to the elect (Eph. 1:4-14). We were all at one time DEAD in sin. Dead people don't accept spiritual gifts, heck, they can't even understand them (1 Cor. 2:14). But Christ made us alive (Rom. 8:5, 47; Titus 3:5)(that's right, regeneration precedes faith!!) so that we could be saved. Either I'm missing the point of your statement, or you are missing the point of mine, or one of us is not being completely honest with the issue. It's right in line with this: If Jesus paid for the EVERY sin of EVERY man (including unbelief!) then on what basis is ANYONE judged? What sin could be held against them? In Christ, Jibbs PS...Did you get everything moved? |
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51 | Boasting in Man Is Doubly Excluded | Is 2:11 | JibbyJee | 88601 | ||
Dear Joe: That's a great article. Piper's a magnificent teacher. I have a question for you, although it may be a loaded one considering our shared perspective. Do you think the person who ultimately rests upon his own choice of God, rather than God's choice of him, as the determinate factor in salvation, is guilty of boasting in man? I mean, when a person says "God cannot save me unless my free will chooses Him", isn't that dangerously close to toeing the blasphemy line-in-the-sand? In Christ, Jibbs |
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52 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | JibbyJee | 88600 | ||
Greetings retxar! Hey, bud, there's no need to get defensive. First off, I am only asking questions for the purpose of gaining information about WHY your statement was made. I need to ask questions because that initial statement was VERY broad and open to interpretation. We all must be as concise as possible and be open to explaining WHY we believe as we do rather that dismissing someone else simply because we disagree with them. You say the text means what it "simply says". So what is that, exactly? I mean, I believe the verse in it's own context "simply says" something completely different that you do. So who's right? Shall we debate the context of John 6:35-45 exegetically? Regarding your postscript: The passage has nothing to do with so-called "invitations". It says "drawn". And all who are drawn are raised up to eternal life. If you aren't raised up to eternal life, you weren't drawn. This passage is speaking directly of man't INABILITY and the purpose of God's SAVING GRACE. God doesn't invite to save. God saves. Can you show me how you can come to another conclusion from Scripture? In Christ, Jibbs |
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53 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | JibbyJee | 88522 | ||
Greetings retxar! Then, I'm assuming you believe not all men are drawn by God. Would that be an accurate assumption based upon your statement "John 6:44 simply says that all who come to Jesus are drawn to Him by God. It should be easy to see that the one who was drawn, the one who came, and the one who will be raised up, is all talking about the same person."? Or said differently, is it equally true that the one who is NOT raised up is the one who didn't come because he WASN'T drawn? In Christ, Jibbs |
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54 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 88516 | ||
Hi gracefull! Hope you had a safe 4th! I tried my best to blow the tips of my fingers off! I won't be lighting firecrackers off in my hands anymore, that's for sure! Thank you for answering the question honestly, and not dodging the issue like many people seem to do. The doctrine of the sovereignty of God is not one that is popular amongst modern Christians, and for the most part, I believe this stems from a lack of correct Biblical understanding of God and from prevelant erroneous teaching within the church itself. Also, I think the two are in a vicious cycle that continuosly feed each other through the generations. Back to the discussion itself, I want to first off recommend a book for your consideration on this issue. CHOSEN BY GOD by RC Sproul is an outstanding book on the nature of salvation. Dr. Sproul does a much better explaining things with clarity and humility than I could ever hope to do. But nevertheless, I will continue to offer my beliefs for you to consider in regard to Scripture. 1. Do you think your faith is something that you muster up within yourself, or a gift given to you by God? (1 Cor. 2:14; Rom. 8:5-7; Eph. 2:8-9) The Bible frequently shows us that all one has to do to be saved is to believe in God and the One he has sent. And I would totally agree. But in none of those verses does it tell us HOW the belief came about within us. The Bible does say that we are enemies of God (Gen. 6:5; Rom. 5:10; Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:15-16; Col. 1:21; James 4:4) before being saved. So I still don't understand how you can claim that your CHOICE is the difference between you and the next guy. Prior to regeneration, what virtue was in you but not in the unbelieving one? Basically, you are saying "All that guy has to do is believe. Simple as that". Now the "believe" part I agree with. But it's not that simple. Jesus elaborates on this point. Let's take a closer look: Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth the words of God: for this cause ye hear them not, because ye are not of God. Please compare this to salvation (indeed it is directly connected already) and the context of our discussion. Notice Jesus didn't say "He that is of God hears the words of God. If you want to be of God, then all you have to do is hear." That would be putting the cart before the horse. Jesus simply tells it like it is. Those who are of God (regenerated) will hear Him and those who aren't won't. So how does this connect to our discussion? I believe regeneration precedes faith. God must give each of us "ears to hear" so to speak BEFORE we can believe. The example of John 8:47 supports this, as does John 6:65 and many other verses. So we're back to square one. Does God give everyone ears to hear? If so, then what was Jesus talking about in John 8:47? If not, then could it be that ALL of salvation is to the glory of God and NONE of it belongs to man? In Christ, JibbyJee |
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55 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 88367 | ||
Hi Tim! Good to see you back. Hope the move went smoothly for ya. Although your response gave me a hearty chuckle, I must admit it was only because I have come to expect a bit more from you. My concluding paragraph about the Trinity was actually a rhetorical question that had very little to do with the meat of my post, yet you chose it to reply it instead of some of the other questions that I asked about Arminianism. I know you've heard all the arguments against the Arminian interpretation of verses that teach that Christ died to make salvation possible for "ALL", so I won't go there with you again. But please, with sugar on top, answer some of the other questions I asked, these specifically: 1. Did Christ INTEND to save ALL men on the Cross? 2. If Christ paid for ALL sins of ALL men throughout ALL the Earth, on what basis are we judged? 3. (Regarding #2) Is unbelief a sin? 4. What was in you that caused you to believe, that wasn't in those who "reject" the Gospel? If I don't talk to you later tonight, have a safe 4th!! Your brother in Christ, Jibbs |
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56 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 88270 | ||
Dear gracefull: Thank you for your response. I really appreciate the Bible verses and not just mere opinion in support of your theology, even if I disagree with your interpretation in the context of all of Scripture. We could continue to discuss this issue (which is hard to do considering it hits on soooo many other side-issues and makes us prone to distraction) but first I want to pinpoint one aspect of your last post. This one sentence, I believe, hits the nail on the head. Here it is: "You seem to be saying we believe after this renewal..however I believe we are renewed or regenerated/born again after we BELIEVE and ACCEPT Jesus." Herein we have a conundrum. I believe the Bible clearly teaches about our inability to come to God on our own. We simply can't do it (John 6:65). He must first give us the gift of faith (Eph 2:8-9). Natural man doesn't even understand he NEEDS a savior, because he cannot see himself for who he really is (Rom. 3:10-11; 1 Cor. 2:14). Keep in mind that because of this depravity and rejection of God, man is guilty and the sin deserves to be punished in order for God to remain just. With these things in mind, please consider why I believe God doesn't merely stop at making salvation "possible" for everyone, but actually SAVES all whom He chooses to save(Rom. 9:15). Salvation is dependent upon nothing else but the mercy of God (Rom. 9:11-16) who works all things to guarantee not one of His chosen people will be lost (Eph. 1:11; Eph. 3:11-12; Rom. 8:28-30; John 10:28-29). No one is suddenly condemned because they "reject" the Gospel, but rather they are under condemnation whether they hear it or not, let alone reject it (John 3:18)! The Gospel SAVES, it does not CONDEMN!!! Please consider this example I've posted before and give me your answer. Imagine you are standing before the throne of God standing next to a man who is not a follower of Christ. What is it that differentiates the two of you? If God did for the man next to you everything that He did to save you, then the only difference is that you believed. But here's the kicker--WHAT WAS IN YOU THAT MADE YOU BELIEVE, THAT THE GUY NEXT TO YOU WAS LACKING? That IS the question we all must answer before our Holy Lord. In Christ, Jibbs |
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57 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 88263 | ||
Hi Doug! Welcome to the Forum! In #88006, I gave those same verses (with the exception of Heb 9:28) to Tim but he didn't give any response to the Reformed doctrine of particular atonement. Our good friend Hank, however, let us all hear his opinion. In Christ, JibbyJee |
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58 | Who does the Father draw to Christ? | John 6:44 | JibbyJee | 88225 | ||
Dear Slide: Not only does that view run contrary to TULIP, but it also runs contrary to consistent Biblical interpretation. ;) But as I can see, you are aware of that. Under the Arminian veiw, the Blood of Christ has absolutely NO redemptive value in and of itself, because even when it's shed and applied to someone, it can't cleanse, redeem, or save them. They "must" exercise their "free will" to empower the Blood and make it efficacious. Using 2 Peter 3:9 to support that view is grossly out of context. Believers are the elect "before the foundation of the world" (Eph 1:4) and don't make themselves elect at their own whim (Rom 9:16; John 1:13). We cannot believe because we don't desire to until God regenerates our heart so that we can understand our own condition (Titus 3:5; 1 Cor. 2:14). That should give you a starting point into the Doctrines of Grace. Blessings in Christ, JibbyJee |
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59 | Willing to believe? | John 6:44 | JibbyJee | 88224 | ||
Greetings Elizabeth! While I may possibly be simply misunderstanding you, I wanted to clarify that God doesn't draw Christians to Him through Jesus Christ, but rather He draws sinners to Him throught Jesus Christ, thereby making them "Christians" (Romans 5:8). May only be semantics, but to me it's a huge doctrinal issue. Peace and Love, JibbyJee |
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60 | THE CROSS | John 3:16 | JibbyJee | 88221 | ||
Greetings gracefull! As you have probably ascertained, I am a Calvinist (aka Reformed) in my theology. I want to thank my friend Tim for his brief and for the most part accurate synopsis of the differences between the two. The grand issue between the two sides is the issue of "free will". Now, respectfully, I must tell you that by reading your post I have gathered that you are already biased against Reformed theology. Have you studied this issue before, using the Bible, or have you been influenced by other people's opinions? I ask that because it seems like you already have some faulty preconceptions about what Calvinist's (that's me) believe. Please allow me to elaborate: You said: "Calvinist believe only certain ones are called and the rest were born without any hope of salvation. Choice is a nonissue." I will try to explain in as simple terms as I can what we really believe the Bible teaches. Please remember that we don't believe anything that we can't prove exegetically from the Bible. So please listen with an open heart and mind to what our interpretation of the Bible says even if you disagree with it. Okay. Looking at the above quote that you gave, I want you to stop for a few seconds and think about what you've said. "without any hope of salvation". Is this a truly Biblical statement? What I mean is-and this is vitally important--does God OWE them salvation (Rom. 6:23)??? Your words make man out to be an innocent victim of an unjust God! Don't you realize that all men, you and I included, are at enmity with God prior to being saved (Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:15-16) nor can we desire to be saved in our sinful (natural) condition (1 Cor. 2:14, Rom. 9:16; John 1:13; John 3:5-8). Don't you understand that NO ONE deserves to be saved?? I hope you will honestly consider those facts in light of your statement. The humble heart does not say "well if God didn't predestinate every man to salvation then He's not fair", but it DOES say "Lord!! Why did you save me, a wretched sinner??" Let us not forget for a moment that had God not regenerated our hearts so that we could believe (Titus 3:5) we, too, would still be in our sins and remain His enemy. And we wouldn't want it any other way because of our sin nature (Romans 1). The ONLY people who desire to know God and choose Him are those whom He has called according to His divine will and purpose. In short, Calvinists DO believe we have a choice to make, however, where we differ from Arminians is on how that choice comes to fruition. In Christ, Jibbs |
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