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41 | U.S.A. the Babylon of Revelations 18? | Bible general Archive 3 | Face | 175688 | ||
see, sir, you do not understand Scripture. I am not under the law, I am not saved by the law. I am saved by grace and through faith. There is a difference between obedience and legalism. Obedience is called legalism by those who wish to be disobedient. Yet Yah'shua repeatedly said to keep his commands as he kept his Father's commands. Was he wrong for saying this? Do a word search in Scripture for keeping the commands, it is eyeopening for one who truly wishes to learn Remember, and think carefully, because John 1 tells us that no man has ever seen or heard the Father, but it was the son who revealed. Therefore it was Yah'shua who spoke with Moses and gave the commands. It was also Yah'shua who said not one jot or tittle would pass from the law, yeah, even heaven and earth would pass before that happened. The only change was in the priesthood. And the priesthood change was a regular occurance. In fact, the levitical priesthood was a temporary standin for the priesthood that was like the priesthood of Melchizedek Poor Paul struggled with this concept, explaining it to the people. They were used to the saved by works concept which was false. It always was faith that saved. There are dead works that people do to try to be saved, and then there is obedience to the guidance of the Father. Discern the difference. |
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42 | U.S.A. the Babylon of Revelations 18? | Bible general Archive 3 | Face | 175682 | ||
What difference does it make? He also used a boat. I suspect if the boat had a motor, he would have used it. While walking was recorded, the wheel had been invented by this time. These are trivial details. Not trivial details are the keeping of the commandments. The commands included the feasts which Paul also said to keep. 1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. This particular feast he spoke of would have been passover immediately followed by the feast of unleavened bread. Revelations 17:17 and 14:12 both teach the keeping of the commandments. So does Yah'shua in Matt 19:17 in telling us if we wish to enter into life, we will keep the commands. Then verse 21 teaches us perfection is giving up what is most dear to ourselves and then following Yah'shua. No, I'm not being a little silly. Silliness is following the pagan ways of Nimrod (our own wisdom) instead of following the wisdom spoken by the mouth of Yahweh. |
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43 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175680 | ||
If indeed David sinned by taking more than one wife, why didn't Nathan the prophet point that out at the same time he pointed out adultery and murder? You are accusing David of sin. Scripture didn't accuse him of sin in this area, it accused him of sin where sin was. The taking of another man's wife and having her husband killed as a cover-up. 1Ki 15:4 Nevertheless for David's sake did the LORD his God give him a lamp in Jerusalem, to set up his son after him, and to establish Jerusalem: 1Ki 15:5 Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. Hmmm, care to dispute Scripture? |
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44 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175679 | ||
Hugh is pointing out that the specific area Jesus was addressing was DIVORCE. That in the beginning DIVORCE was not so. What Hugh is pointing out is that Scripture had plenty of places to condemn polygyny, and did not. Had David divorced one of his wives, then he would have cause her to commit adultery, and thus broken the "from the beginning it was not so" I suppose somehow in all the self-righteousness of churchdom so many people feel so good now that they have made themselves better than men Scripture calls righteous. I suspect that's really what this is all about. Elevating one'self to somehow be better than someone Scripture called righteous figuring that if they are more righteous than David, Abraham, Gideon and Joash, that then they are guaranteed a place in heaven. Sure...... that'll work..... |
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45 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175678 | ||
Interestingly enough, the law you point out was the law of jealousy for a man with his wife. There was no law of jealousy for a woman towards her husband. It was the woman on trial for adultery in this case. The husband suspected infidelity and this was to be a special test from Yahweh himself to prove or disprove her guilt. Yes, adultery is possible, the married woman somehow made her husband suspicious. But nowhere was a man called for adultery for taking more than one wife, nor was provision given for a jealous wife. |
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46 | U.S.A. the Babylon of Revelations 18? | Bible general Archive 3 | Face | 175676 | ||
Colossians 2:16-17 (16) Then do not let anyone judge you in eating, or in drinking, or in part of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, (17) which are a shadow of coming things, but the body is of Christ I challenge you to try observing the Scriptural calendar to time your year instead of the secular calendar. I challenge you to keep the Sabbath as we are instructed in Scripture. I challenge you to keep the feasts as laid out in Scripture. The above verse will have a whole new meaning to you. That verse was written to gentiles who left their heathen ways, and were following what is now known as Jewish ways. Believe you me, I've had people judge me for keeping this, and some of the inferences are just rude. Yet as a Scripture believer, I have to believe that the Father's way is better than my way, and certainly better than the world's way. Read what the apostles did on the Sabbath. They went to synagogue. Since heaven and earth are still here, these shadows remain. When the new heaven and new earth come, the shadow will be gone, then I can hug and kiss the real deal. No, Yah'shua's work is not finished. He is with the Father waiting until all things are put under his feet. Once he claims his bride, then all will be finished and the shadows gone. Yes, it is a promising road. Paul said to follow him as he followed the Master. Both were Torah observant. Are you following? |
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47 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175646 | ||
I must say then, that according to your logic, Adam and Eve sinned by not having a marriage license. They didn't have protection for their children in case something went wrong. You accuse those who would live this way in simple trust of their heavenly Father of being foolish. Have you never read Matt 6:34 and thought to apply it to your life. Why trust man and his social programs for your security when your heavenly Father cares much more for you than they ever could? | ||||||
48 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175645 | ||
So maybe the actual church Swordman goes to allows polygynous marriage....... Is he OK then? After all, if he does have several wives, and did not get state licenses for more than one of them, he breaks no civil law. And if the church he goes to allows polygyny, then he breaks no laws of his church, thus is under their authority. And Scripture read as a whole does not condemn polygyny, so therefore he has not sinned, either. Where, then, is the problem? |
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49 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175644 | ||
I'd like to see the historical documentation you have to prove this claim that polygyny was not practiced in 1st century Judea. If not, they why would Paul have mentioned it in reference to deacons and bishops? And why in 1 Cor 5:1 that a son took his father's wife? She wasn't his mother, obviously, or that would have been stated. Yeah, I know, now you are going to say that the first wife died. It's OK, go ahead. 2 Cor 7 seems to show this situation resolved. Careful on your allegations. As far as the homosexuality thing, there was no need to comment on that. The Torah that Yah'shua and Paul followed was VERY clear on that matter, and nobody was disputing this. |
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50 | U.S.A. the Babylon of Revelations 18? | Bible general Archive 3 | Face | 175643 | ||
Like I said, I'm neither SDA supporter nor promoter. I do not subscribe to their beliefs except in that the 7th day Sabbath is Scriptural, not the 1st day of the week as promoted by mainstream christianity. 'Nuff said on that. The pdf file I posted was an attempt to answer the original question about the beast in Revelations. I thought that even though I don't line up doctrinally with SDA, the file posted does have quite a bit of thought provoking points to consider. |
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51 | U.S.A. the Babylon of Revelations 18? | Bible general Archive 3 | Face | 175637 | ||
http://www.worldslastchance.com/pdf/WLC_English.pdf Read and be warned. No, I don't fully agree with the website authors beliefs, and no I'm not 7th Day Aventist. But I am a 7th day Sabbath keeper because that's what Scripture says. But I digress. Rome's wound has been healed. She is a political power. Rome is the beast and most Prostestants are in submission to her for the greatest part of their beliefs. Rome follows Babylon's belief system. I suggest reading "Two Babylons or the Papal Worship Proved to be the Worship of Nimrod and His Wife" by Alexander Hislop for some eye opening teaching on the practices of Rome. It might even give you pause on some of the observances in your own life |
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52 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175636 | ||
This would also follow suit with the commands given through Moses: Lev 21:10 And he that is the high priest among his brethren, upon whose head the anointing oil was poured, and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not uncover his head, nor rend his clothes; Lev 21:11 Neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother; Lev 21:12 Neither shall he go out of the sanctuary, nor profane the sanctuary of his God; for the crown of the anointing oil of his God is upon him: I am the LORD. Lev 21:13 And he shall take a wife in her virginity. Lev 21:14 A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife. Lev 21:15 Neither shall he profane his seed among his people: for I the LORD do sanctify him. Similarly Ezra confirms this, with a slight modification: Eze 44:22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before. The high priest was called to higher standards than the rest of the people. Similarly he couldn't have physical defects: Lev 21:17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. Lev 21:18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Lev 21:19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Lev 21:20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; Lev 21:21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. Lev 21:22 He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy. Lev 21:23 Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them. Does this mean that physically defect people cannot be saved? Of course not. In fact, I'm surprised churches don't use this to say preachers cannot have physcial defects. If they hold the average person to the same standard as a bishop or deacon in marriage, then why not hold them to the same standard in physical attributes? I'd be willing to let stand a restriction on 1 and only 1 wife for a bishop and deacon, and maybe even a pastor, but that according to Scripture would be the only legislation without adding to Scripture. |
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53 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175635 | ||
Maybe his norm is the regular people. At least 5 of the hero's of faith listed in Hebrews had multiple wives. But he's right, these people weren't normal, they were heros of faith. So maybe polygyny is only for people who's faith is above normal? Sorry...... couldn't resist |
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54 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175634 | ||
Reading over Scripture where adultery is mentioned and spelled out at all, it is a man lying with another man's wife (or betrothed) In other words, the woman had to be married. Yahshua (Jesus) spelled this out a bit clearer, and showed that a man marrying a woman who had been put away also committed adultery. What he did not make clear is whether a woman who had been properly divorced was an adulteress or not, and whether marrying this woman would constitute adultery. Another thing many conservative churches teach that is un-Scriptural is the teaching that divorced people should seperate from each other, and return to the original spouse should the later husband die. Deu 24:1-4 specifically forbids this and calls it and abomination In any case, adultery was punishable by death for both parties involved. This being the case, the arguement that polygyny is adultery is rather poor because then every man who had more than one wife should have been put to death. Why is this ignored my mainstream christianity? |
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55 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175632 | ||
Interestingly enough, it was less that 500 years ago that Martin Luther conceded that Scripture did not forbid multiple wives. | ||||||
56 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175630 | ||
The same law in Deut. 17:17 would then forbid a king from having more than one horse. I don't hear anyone preaching that doctrine |
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