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41 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | Bows44 | 155985 | ||
Dear BradK, In response to this concern... 1. The preaching about the Person and work of our Lord Jesus Christ is largely negated in the world of WOF teaching. Experience is king, anything goes, no matter how far-fetched, but Jesus Christ is minimized.( 2 Cor. 4:5) Bizarre practices don't need to be had to know the Lord or enter into a relationship with Him (Phil. 3:10); it took me awhile to figure out what you meant by WOF, but I think you mean word of faith. IF this is correct, your accusation is totally false. The very basic foundation of the word of faith movement is Jesus Christ. It is because of what He did for us on Calvary that we have anything today...salvation, healing, deliverence, favor with God, redemption from the curse, etc. Whatever is not of faith is sin it says in Romans 14:23. Granted many have abused and/or misused the word of faith movement turning it into a selfish give-me-what-I-want-God kind of thing. This is demonic twisting of the truth. But that doesn't mean that the principle has been negated. It is very sad when big name preachers fall from grace, but we are not their judge. We must humble ourselves and pray for their restoration, not reject them and their entire teachings. If the teachings are what you disagree with, then let's discuss them (the teachings, not the people) one at a time to see whether they are scriptural or not. But please don't reject truth just because somebody who teaches it messes up. Trying my best to speak the truth in love, Bows44 |
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42 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | Bows44 | 155954 | ||
Dear BradK, Web surfing is a term that is not in the Bible either, but it is something many of us do. If you do not like the term slain in the spirit, then it could be more accurately described as not being able to stand in the presence of the Glory of God which is indeed described in I Kings 8:10-11. It happened that when the priests came from the holy place, the cloud filled the house of the LORD, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD. Yes, experiences are a big part of who I am and help define my belief systems. But so does the lack of experiences frame the belief systems of many on the forum. Whether experienced or not, is not what dictates truth. Truth is gleaned from scripture. What I do is take my experiences and test them against scripture. When they line up, then they support my beliefs which are based on scripture. For example, I believe in divine healing. I have seen many people not get healed. I have also seen many people get healed. I am one of them. I see in scripture that God heals. Do I stop believing in healing because some don't get healed? No! I seek to understand why and then accept God's sovereignty when the why can't be answered. I also know that God uses many methods to heal, physical death being the ultimate healing. So my experiences of seeing people not get healed or get healed do not dictate my belief....scripture does. If you tell me that God doesn't do the things described in the Bible anymore, then I would not believe you, based on Heb 13:8. If I experience those things described in scripture, then that for me validates them, proves to me that scripture is true. If you haven't experienced these things, then instead of saying they must not be real, ask God to show you if they are real by allowing you to experience them. But do it from a pure heart of faith. Many are afraid to ask God to validate is word. But what God said in Rom. 8:38-39, 2 Tim. 1:12 and Jude 1:24 teaches us that God's ability to keep you from deception is greater than the devil's from deceiving you. I am sure that is why Paul wrote this to Timothy. The Pharisees and spiritual leaders were questioning the validity of their experences. I think I asked this before...show me in scripture where God says he no longer allows us to experience his Glory or speak to us personally. If someone has false beliefs based on experiences it is because that person did not test his experiences against scripture. Since God will not contradict himself, everything must be tested against scripture. Note: tested, not ignored. Hope this helps you understand my position better. Bows44 |
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43 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | Bows44 | 155943 | ||
Dear BradK, Being "slain-in-the-spirit" is absolutely biblical! All it is, is feeling the power/presence of God so strongly that you can't stand up, so you fall down. This happened to Daniel in Daniel 10:9 and to John in Rev. 1:17 and to the priests in 1 Kings 8:11, and 2 Chron. 5:14. Granted, many fake it, but that doesn't mean it isn't real. If you are going to speak the truth in love, then please make sure that it IS truth. A good thing to remember is that the devil isn't creative. He can only copy and corrupt. So if the devil is corrupting something, then is stands to reason that there is something real for him to copy and corrupt. Speaking the Truth in Love, Bows44 |
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44 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | Bows44 | 155942 | ||
Dear BradK, Being "slain-in-the-spirit" is absolutely biblical! All it is, is feeling the power/presence of God so strongly that you can't stand up, so you fall down. This happened to Daniel in Daniel 10:9 and to John in Rev. 1:17 and to the priests in 1 Kings 8:11, and 2 Chron. 5:14. Granted, many fake it, but that doesn't mean it isn't real. If you are going to speak the truth in love, then please make sure that it IS truth. A good thing to remember is that the devil isn't creative. He can only copy and corrupt. So if the devil is corrupting something, then is stands to reason that there is something real for him to copy and corrupt. Speaking the Truth in Love, Bows44 |
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45 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | Bows44 | 155941 | ||
Dear BradK, Being "slain-in-the-spirit" is absolutely biblical! All it is, is feeling the power/presence of God so strongly that you can't stand up, so you fall down. This happened to Daniel in Daniel 10:9 and to John in Rev. 1:17 and to the priests in 1 Kings 8:11, and 2 Chron. 5:14. Granted, many fake it, but that doesn't mean it isn't real. If you are going to speak the truth in love, then please make sure that it IS truth. A good thing to remember is that the devil isn't creative. He can only copy and corrupt. So if the devil is corrupting something, then is stands to reason that there is something real for him to copy and corrupt. Speaking the Truth in Love, Bows44 |
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46 | Anything wrong with dating? | Bible general Archive 1 | Bows44 | 155939 | ||
Dear Kalos, You are quite welcome. I hope my note inspires many (especially teenagers) to get this CD and learn how to keep their vessels and honor others. 2 Timothy 2:19-21 Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness." Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work. Have a blessed day, Bows44 |
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47 | Are silent protests scriptural? | 1 John 3:17 | Bows44 | 155907 | ||
Dear WOS, Well said. I totally agree. :-) Bows44 |
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48 | Are silent protests scriptural? | 1 John 3:17 | Bows44 | 155875 | ||
Hi Doc, I totally agree with what you are saying, but I was thinking on a smaller more individualistic scale. Based on 1 John 3:17 one is expected to do some practical things for people other than pray for them. We are expected to give of our time and resources to help. You know...be a good Samaritan. Yes, we should get in our prayer closets and seek God's face and plead for forgiveness and mercy. Then get out and put our faith into practice in a practical way. So, I guess the answer to my original question as to the scriptural validity of silent protests is...no- there is none. We can pray, preach/teach, elect Godly leaders and help some of these girls as we are able. We can also train up our children in the ways of God and mentor them through to a God-ordained marriage, then maybe there will be a lesser need for the abortion clinics. Raise up a Godly generation and in a generation we will have a Godly Nation again. Thank you for helping to clarify/validate that. It always helps me to talk things out. :-) Yours in Christ, Bows44 |
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49 | Are silent protests scriptural? | 1 John 3:17 | Bows44 | 155869 | ||
Dear Hank, I agree. But how would you suggest one goes about stopping this practice scripturally besides preaching the gospel, electing Godly officials and prayer? I put forth that by the time a young lady is walking into an abortion clinic this may not be the best time to try and preach to her. However, if one would offer a helping hand in saving her child...i.e. a place to stay, help with medical bills, adopting her child when it is born, then she would be more open to the gospel. Also, many girls getting abortions are saved and know what they are doing is wrong, but are scared and ashamed of their moral failure and therefore believe (falsely or not) that they can not turn to their families for help. The condemnation heaped upon them by these silent protests, do more harm than good, in my opinion. It certainly doesn't stop a single young lady stop and turn around and decide to keep her baby as these protesters readily admit to being true. The solution, I believe is to be willing to give of one's substance to help her out. This is a solution I see as having a scriptural base in 1 John 3:17. Hoping to save some, Bows44 |
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50 | Are silent protests scriptural? | 1 John 3:17 | Bows44 | 155866 | ||
Hi Hank, This is my belief also. Sharing truth in love not silent protest is more effective. When I tried to state this concept to one brother, I was severely rebuked and told I didn't know what I was saying and that they were saving babies in the spirit. This I thought to be a bunch of religious nonesense. These young ladies need a way to save their babies' lives in the natural. This is especially grieving to my spirit as this brother is one I worship and minister with regularly. So I wanted to be sure that I am correct in this view. I want to make sure I am not missing some scriptural basis for the practice of silent protests, so that when we speak again I can be on solid scriptural ground. It is not what we think we should do. It is what God tells us to do. Do you think God could have told them to do these protests as they say? Thank you for your input. Bows44 |
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51 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | Bows44 | 155822 | ||
Hi Jeff, I appreciate all of your input and the discussion it engendered. Much has been clarified. Just wanted to make sure that you knew it was I and not Mark who posted the original question because it seemed as if there may have been some confusion based on your comment to Mark in your last post... If you carefully read Doc's post to your original question and them carefully read mine, I think you might discover that I was actually giving opinion and belief that supported your original thoughts on this while throwing caution to some of what Doc had written, that is; that "suicide is ultimately rooted in self-love" which contradicted your premise articulated in your question. Sincerely, Bows44 P.S. I also want to thank you for your ministry to those who are hurting. Bless you as you share the hope and salvation we have in Jesus. |
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52 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | Bows44 | 155818 | ||
Dear Mark, Thank you for sharing your experiences...of struggle and victory...it did help. I pray that you may use that testimony to help other suicidals overcome and find hope and strength and salvation in Jesus. Your sister in Christ, Bows44 |
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53 | how can suicide be the same | Eph 5:29 | Bows44 | 155724 | ||
Dear Doc, Well at least this attempt makes more sense than the first. But I am not denying scripture by asking for greater understanding of it. I may not use the words you think I should use all of the time, but the intention is pure. By asking for understanding, I am admitting the problem is with my understanding and not the Word. Try thinking the best of me instead of the worst. 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Yours in Christ, Bows44 |
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54 | At what moment do we go to heaven? | Eccl 12:7 | Bows44 | 155722 | ||
Hi Mark (and others,) I am not placing experience higher than scripture, I am supplimenting scripture with my experiences. The original post that started this long thread had both scriptures and my experience. I was stating what I believed based on those two things together. If others believe otherwise and wish to share what they believe and why, then they can and do. This is what this forum is all about..sharing what we belive based on scriptures and whether some want to admit it or not experiences. Our experiences have a large bearing on what we choose to believe or not. This is a fact. Mark...as for not being able to discern valid experiences or not, the Bible says: Matthew 7:16-18 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. If you could take the time to get to know me personnally, you would find that I am passionately in love with Jesus and serve Him with all of my heart. I can pass the test that someone else out lined...I declare Jesus as Lord and Savior, born of a virgin, crucified dead and buried and risen again. I have confessed with my mouth the Lord Jesus with faith in my heart, been water baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit and am therefore born again. You would find that I am a good tree bearing good fruit, therefore I can not according to this scripture bear bad fruit. The fruit of my experience is Christ honoring and therefore good fruit. Testifying falsely would be bad fruit. Satan would not give an experience that honored Jesus. So based on these facts, you should be able to know that the experience is valid. I also hope that somewhere in my words someone can find help and encouragement and a closer walk with Jesus. I hope people can look beyond the semantics to the heart of the matter which is to share, encourage and grow. Your Sister in Christ, Bows44 |
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55 | At what moment do we go to heaven? | Eccl 12:7 | Bows44 | 155654 | ||
Dear Kalos, I am not questioning the scriptural validity of near death experiences. I was questioning the validity of a doctrinal position that does not allow for the sharing of personal experiences. I believe that the scriptures noted previously as well as 2 Corinthians 1:3-5 support the validity of sharing personal experiences and testimonies. 2 Cor. 1:3-5 3(A)Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and (B)God of all comfort, 4who (C)comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. 5For just (D)as the sufferings of Christ are ours in abundance, so also our comfort is abundant through Christ. We must always remember that the original recipients of these letters DID NOT have THE Bible as we have it today. Reading in context also means reading with the understanding of who, when, why, how etc. something is being said. Then applying it to our lives today. Why not say as Paul did in Phil 1:16-18 16the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel; 17the former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition rather than from pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment. 18What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice Have a blessed day... Bows44 |
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56 | At what moment do we go to heaven? | Eccl 12:7 | Bows44 | 155653 | ||
Dear WOS, I did not choose my son and husband over Christ. I am my beloveds and he is mine still and always. I chose to stay and finish the job He gave me to do. (Some days when my son is being especially difficult, I wish I had chose differently. :-D) But as you say, God is sovereign and it was He who decided to give me the choice and I chose what I chose. Without knowing my history, who I am, and what I went through you may not be able to understand why I had this experience and made the choice that I did. But, Jesus was happy with my response and honored it, so that is what counts. I am a God pleaser not a man pleaser. As some have pointed out, this is not an experience study forum. If you are truly interested in knowing more (not looking for opportunities to slam it) then I will be happy to discuss it further via personal email. My email is in my profile. Yours in Christ, Bows44 |
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57 | At what moment do we go to heaven? | Eccl 12:7 | Bows44 | 155638 | ||
Dear Doc, Whether you like it or not people have experiences. Those experiences make up a large part of who each of us are. I have read your background and understand why you believe the way you do. However, that is not a license to disregard the experiences of others just because they don't line up with your personal belief system, especially when they are scriptural. Can you show me scripturally that experiences count for nothing? 1 Per 3:15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence The people this was originally written to did not have "THE Bible" as we have it today. What were they supposed to use to give an account for the hope that was in them except their personal experiences of the power of God in their lives. Many people today don't accept the Bible as the word of God or don't even believe in God until someone shares with them in love personal experiences. Then they realize that God is real and cares about people. I have won several to the Lord by sharing personal experiences with them. Rev. 12:11 "And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death. So I will continue to share my experiences with others if it encourages them in the Lord or helps them come to Jesus. Also, sharing my personal experiences of God's love, power, kindness, mercy, awesomeness, etc. brings honor and glory to my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. To a lost and dying world who is hungry for a God of the here and now, personal experiences are the life line they need. Speaking the truth in love... Bows44 |
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58 | Can someone help me get to God? | Rom 10:9 | Bows44 | 155546 | ||
Abram later known as Abraham the Father of faith Genesis 13:2 Now Abram was very rich in livestock, in silver and in gold. Genesis 24:35 The LORD has greatly blessed my master, so that he has become rich; and He has given him flocks and herds, and silver and gold, and servants and maids, and camels and donkeys. Job Job 1:1-3 Job's Character and Wealth 1There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil. 2Seven sons and three daughters were born to him. 3 His possessions also were 7,000 sheep, 3,000 camels, 500 yoke of oxen, 500 female donkeys, and very many servants; and that man was the greatest of all the men of the east. Jacob Story found in Genesis 30 with v 43 stating 43 So the man became exceedingly prosperous, and had large flocks and female and male servants and camels and donkeys. King David a man after God's heart and King Solomon the wisest man both very rich. 1 Samuel 2:6-8 The LORD kills and makes alive; He brings down to Sheol and raises up. The LORD makes poor and rich;He brings low, He also exalts. He raises the poor from the dust, He lifts the needy from the ash heap To make them sit with nobles,And inherit a seat of honor; For the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, And He set the world on them. It is not wealth that is bad, but the love of it. When money becomes a god and replaces one's worship of the One True God. Just because someone is rich is not a sign that they are evil. If one takes exception to a doctrine or teaching, then discuss that with out pointing fingers or naming names. This is a dangerous and unprofitable practice. Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. Matt.7:1; Luke 6:37, Romans 14:13, James 5:9 all speak about not judging another person. Mark 9:38-40 Dire Warnings 38 John said to Him, "Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us." 39 But Jesus said, "Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against us is for us. Even if someone does that which is wrong, love covers a multitude of sins according to 1 Peter 4:8. THis means we out of love do not gossip or verbally attack another. We pray for them and if they are in our sphere of influence we restore such a one. To adhere to StudyBibleForum's intended purpose, please read the following before submitting a post: 1. This post is biblically based and whenever possible, I have included Bible references to support it. 2. This post is not intended as a personal attack on the authority of the Bible or on other users of this forum. 3. This post is not submitted as an effort to foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or other disruptions to this forum. 4. I have carefully proofread my post and believe it represents my best efforts. I do not believe that posts such as the one I am replying to adhere to these forum rules as it violate rules 1 and 3 copied above. As some like to say...speaking the truth in love, Bows44 |
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59 | explain Deut 6:4 | John 3:13 | Bows44 | 154304 | ||
Hi Steve, I was really tired last night which may explain some of the confusion. I discussed the Athanasian Creed with my husband and understand what they are trying to say better now. However, it seems to me that they are saying that God is three different persons while at the same time saying that he is not. It may just be me or it may be semantics, but I think it would be simpler to explain in terms of man who was made in the image of God. Man is body, soul and spirit. Man is a tripart being. God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God is a tripart God. Then teach people to relate to God in each of His aspects. After all, God is all about relationship. He created man to have relationship with Him first and others second. That's why in Matthew 22:37-39 he says... 37And He said to him, " '(A)YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' 38"This is the great and foremost commandment. 39"The second is like it, '(B)YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' (Caps not mine. I copied directly from NASB on Biblegateway.com) Hope this helps. Bows44 |
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60 | explain Deut 6:4 | John 3:13 | Bows44 | 154276 | ||
Hi Steve, I had never heard of this creed before, so I checked it out and found it to be confusing and contradictory and in support of a belief that one must believe in that creed to be saved. I personally believe that one has to be born again through believing in Jesus and His finished work on the cross. I did not find this creed to be thoroughly Biblical as you stated. In fact I found it to be the opposite. However, I do believe in the Apostles Creed found: http://www.ccel.org/creeds/apostles.creed.html Bows44 |
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