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281 | "upon this rock I will build my church" | Matt 16:18 | MJH | 139595 | ||
Let me know where on the site you find this disturbing information. And I agree, it sounds disturbing. The site is not totally represetative of Bivin's beliefs which is stated at the end of every article that may appear in the magazine (of which many articles are online). To say I agree 100 percent with any author would not be accurate, but I believe that Bivin and his co-author in the book mentioned earlier make a strong case for the evidance for the Hebrew spoken language. MJH |
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282 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139573 | ||
Yes, I think your conclusions are accurate. Although using "mansions" is not the best word to use. "Rooms" would be more appropriate, but it does not change at all your conclusions. MJH |
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283 | "upon this rock I will build my church" | Matt 16:18 | MJH | 139572 | ||
I am familiar with all but one of these books, although I do not have them all yet. The Chumash is very interesting and it’s great to get a new perspective on the Torah. Friends in my Bible study group have it, but not me. I have the complete Jewish Bible and Jewish New Testament Commentary. I have not heard of Kingdom Relationships. I loved reading the Historical Fiction books, "First Light" and "Second Touch" by the Thoene's. They are very knowledgeable about the times and the characters in these books meet Jesus. They provide insights that are fascinating. They make the Text come alive in many ways. I would recommend them highly. Marvin Wilison’s “Our Father Abraham” is also very good. It is some what like a text book, but I thought it was an easy read. “The Bible as it Was” by James L Kugel is also very interesting showing many ancient interpretations. Similar, I think, to the Chumash, but not in commentary form. Is Kingdom Relationships a good read? I like to add books to my wish list. It’s quite long. MJH |
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284 | "upon this rock I will build my church" | Matt 16:18 | MJH | 139568 | ||
If you are willing to read the book "Understanding the Difficult Word of Jesus" by David Bivin and Roy Blizzard then we can continue this portion of the discussion. Every point you make is discussed in the book. Many of your points are true, but do not support your conclusion. Bivin and Blizzard are not a couple of uneducated authors. They have great authority to write on this topic. Once someone on the Forum will be willing to read current scholarship on this topic, I see no point in continuing to debate among ourselves. After all, we are mostly going to quote commentaries, books, and articles we agree with and none of us have the background to speak with authority. If this is the case, then we aught to look to true experts in language, archeology, history and Biblical study. Most people quoted in this forum on this issue are experts in Biblical study, but not in the other areas of study. I would rather actually STUDY the issue and how it impacts our understanding of Jesus and His teachings. I believe that once the true conclusion is reached, it does impact our understanding of Jesus teachings. Others disagree with me, which is fine, but they also never ventured to find out either. In might be noted that some of the major Aramaic proponents have altered their views in light of the Dead Sea Scrolls. M. Wilcox writes: “…the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls . . . The non-Biblical texts show us a free, living language, and attest to the fact that in NT times, . . . Hebrew was not confined to Rabbinical circles by any means, but appeared as a normal vehicle of expression.” Note he used the word “fact” and he preciously argued for an Aramaic source and was a student of Matthew Black who himself in his third edition to “An Aramaic Approach to the Gospels and Acts” remarks on this issue. Again, current study has overturned the Aramaic idea, but unfortunately it may take a generation of scholars to filter the new understanding down to the common lay scholar. Should you or anyone on the forum be willing to read a short book I’ll gladly continue the discussion and gladly read any book suggested as well. (I LOVE BOOKS) MJH |
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285 | "upon this rock I will build my church" | Matt 16:18 | MJH | 139560 | ||
I am so very sorry. I should have said, "Shlub." My bad. Please please forgive. :-) You mentioned Norman Willis. I am not familure with his argument. Since you are familure with David Stern and Hebrew roots (judging from your posts) I really think you would like the book "Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus" by David Bivin and Roy Blizzard. If you should read it (short book) let me know. It isn't the only book that makes my point, but it is the book that lays out the argument clearly with all the effidence on all three sides (some say Jesus spoke Greek the majority of the time). Shlubs in the Lord, MJH |
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286 | "upon this rock I will build my church" | Matt 16:18 | MJH | 139555 | ||
Oh, one more point. You quote David H. Stern a lot. He believes in a Hebrew speaking Jesus and Hebrew as the common language in the first century Israel too. MJH |
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287 | "upon this rock I will build my church" | Matt 16:18 | MJH | 139552 | ||
I've had this discussion too many times on this forum to bother with it much more, but should you interested in correting your thinking :-) I'd be happy to suggest a resource by the leading scholors (not some slub like me and many of us). God Bless, MJH |
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288 | What was Caesarea Philippi like? | Matt 16:18 | MJH | 139551 | ||
I don't think I am making the place too important. I know that can be done, but knowing the place can add to ones understanding. The Gospel writers mentioned Caesarea Philippi for a reason. And it was no mistake that Jesus says, "Gates of Hades" while there. After learning some of the history behind this city and what was going on in front of the "gates of Hades" (or underworld), it gave me a fuller picture of what Jesus was doing. It didn't change the meaning, but helped me see Jesus and His dicsiples better. Just ask, would your pastor still be a pastor if he took the youth of the church to a place like this? For many pastors, this act would have ended their ministry. And then Jesus says, "Who am I?" "On this rock I'll build by church." "The Gates of Hades (you see before you, and all that is associated with it) will not prevail." The contrasts and images are powerful and ADD to the readers understanding. They don't change it, or detract from it. MJH |
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289 | "upon this rock I will build my church" | Matt 16:18 | MJH | 139539 | ||
Can anyone still believe that Jesus spoke Aramaic? The most advanced research says He spoke Hebrew. Using one verse to show He spoke Aramaic, when most of the Gospel and Acts say Hebrew, Archeology says Hebrew, Josephus says Hebrew, the early church fathers say Hebrew, Rabbinic literature says Hebrew, the Dead Sea Scrolls say Hebrew, and coins minted in the first century BC say Hebrew. You said, “We know Jesus spoke Aramaic because he spoke it from the cross when he said: "Eli, Eli, lama sabacthani" which is the Aramaic, not Hebrew, version of Psalm 22:1 "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me." Matthew records this in Hebrew (same words). The people in Mark's version are thinking that Jesus is calling Elijah which is only possible if He spoke the words as Matthew records in Hebrew since in Hebrew the term "Eli" can be either "My God" or a shortened from of Eliyahu, Hebrew for Elijah. "Eloi" in Aramaic can only mean, "My God". For Matthew; "lama" (why) is the same word in both languages, and sabak is a verb which is found in Mishnaic Hebrew as well as in Aramaic. Other Hebrew words in the Greek text; levonah, mammom, Wai, rabbi, Beelzebub, corban, Satan, cammom, raca, moreh, bath, kor, zuneem, Boarnerges, Mor, Sheekmah, amen. All archeological finds are 9 to 1 in favor of Hebrew over Aramaic including for those things used by the common man of the day. The Dead Sea Scrolls were in Hebrew 9 to 1 over Aramaic (the common man’s rules for the community were in Hebrew.) … and on and on and on it goes. . . Oh, and a fun one to explain: Jerome says he translated the Latin Vulgate directly from Matthew’s original Hebrew text. Jerome was the most competent Hebrew scholar of all the early church fathers, living in the Land for many years, learning Hebrew from the people who spoke it every day. Then there is the linguistic research which is beyond the scope of this forum I think. MJH |
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290 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139508 | ||
Did you check out post 139306? What do you think? | ||||||
291 | Would actions change if? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139507 | ||
You are right. I just checked and I suppose it is the Scholars Silver Edition. But I would settle for the 449.00 edition if I had to. I did download the free e-sword version and played with it for a few minutes and for the price was quite happy. If I ever get the money, I will have to check them all out before I buy. MJH |
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292 | Would actions change if? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139500 | ||
Thanks, I'll download it and check it out. I still covet the Logos X 999.00 scholars version though! MJH |
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293 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139473 | ||
Good response...but... I liked your more detailed rendering of the Bridegroom story. And you are right; the groom returns for the bride and takes her to be with him. They do not live in the bride’s town. However, all parables break down at some point which is one reason why there are so many of them (particularly concerning the "kingdom of God/Heaven). I know; you're thinking I'm now reading what I WANT to read; but go with me on this for a bit. Question: Does this parable in light of other scripture, lend us to believe that Jesus is a) preparing a place; b) will come for His bribe; and finally c) bring the whole city of Jerusalem with Him (Rev 21-22)? Therefore, do we still have God dwelling with man on the Earth which is made new? Also, Paul used pagan and cultural points many times in his letters. Remember, he is not speaking to Jews in Galilee who live in these Insulas (households), but to Gentiles living in Roman cities in Asia Minor. The Apostle John used this same technique many times while writing the letter called “Revelation.” For example, Diocletian ruled very harshly. Earlier Emperors claimed to be gods but always allowed places like Israel to continue worshiping their own God. But not Diocletian! He was called the Beast in his day. He required a mark on your hand that acknowledged that you worshiped him as lord and savior. Without the mark you could not participate in commerce. There are numerous examples in Paul and John’s letters that use common experience from the current political, economic, and pagan religious experience. There are illusions to these same things in the Gospels as well. When Jesus is asked if paying taxes is okay, it is important to know why He asked for a coin, what was written on the coin, and the multi-purpose of coins in the first century. I’m not suggesting you are unaware of this stuff, but mention it to make the point that Paul most certainly could and did use the current political/pagan religious experience to drive home a point about who REALLY is both God and Savior. (Thanks for following this thread; I’m helped in working this stuff out in my own mind by virtue of having to articulate ideas and thoughts with you. I have always been led to believe one way, but as I studied I began to realize that some of my own understandings of how God relates to mankind had to change. This is good of course assuming the change is correct and leads me to a more righteous life. In the end, I think this understanding of God as it relates to Him wanting to make His dwelling with mankind, changes how we view our life here and now. God is concerned with the place where he wants to dwell. I believe the mentality of “Get ‘em saved, and move on to the next guy” has done the community of believers harm, and in the end actually “saves” less souls. How one understands the “Kingdom of God/Heaven” also has a profound impact on how we live our life.) |
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294 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139448 | ||
see post 139306 | ||||||
295 | Levitate, go to heaven, or the City? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139447 | ||
Please read other comments higher up in this thread, since we deal with this verse earlier. MJH |
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296 | replacement theoplogy is incorrect? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139397 | ||
Be careful what you call an error; particularly when you have not taken the time to listen to someone who holds such a position. How often I have myself judged a doctrine or teaching to be false only to later take it up in humility? Often, and I’m sure more in the future. MJH |
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297 | Would actions change if? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139393 | ||
You are absolutely right. That is why I ended my comments by thanking God for translators who have a difficult task, and many times have to do some kind of interpreting which is always dangerous, but unavoidable. I believe that all believers should do more than just read, but should also study. Unfortunately we are not taught how to study. In Jesus time, or maybe some years later, the Rabbies said that study was the highest form of worship. I don't agree it is the highest, but it certainly is a high form of worship. To show mercy, practice justice, and to walk humbly with God is the highest form of worship. MJH PS - I don't have the Bible Study Software yet . . . I covet the Logos Scholars version, but don't have an extra 1000 dollars laying around . . . yet... |
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298 | Would actions change if? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139381 | ||
Okay, I buy that, but the correct way to translate this is to use "dwellings" or "rooms", and not mansions. It is unfortunate that by translating one Greek word as mansions, you create an entire belief system concerning God and the new Heaven and new Earth. And this has been perpetuated for how many hundreds of years now? After all, the KJV says, “In my Father's house are many mansions . . .” and mansions is plural. Does this not prove that translators have a serious task? Thank God for them! MJH |
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299 | Has the church replaced Israel? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139379 | ||
EdB, you bring up some interesting statements and since it has been a couple years since I studied these things, I will print your post and take some serious time to find your response to be correct or not . . . not that I doubt of course. Hee Hee. MJH |
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300 | Would actions change if? | Rom 11:25 | MJH | 139375 | ||
There is no "mansion". See my post 139306. | ||||||
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