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221 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25550 | ||
I'm not a Hebrew or Greek scholar either. What I do know is how to read the resources that are available. I also spent the bucks to get a copy of BibleWorks 4.0--with that I can search by Strong's numbers if I have to! The point with searching for the words is that neither the Day of Atonement nor the feast of Trumpets are ever called "heorte". So, what Paul did was use a "standard" OT "formula" to list the ceremonial days of the Jewish year. So, you have feasts, new moons and the ceremonial sabbaths. What was apparently happening at Colossae was that some ascetics were judging the believers for feasting and fasting on the days that are mentioned. Paul was saying to them "don't let these people judge you on these matters,let the "body of Christ" (i.e., the church) handle it." |
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222 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25527 | ||
You are welcome; you are a very rare breed: a gentleman. | ||||||
223 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25526 | ||
Try this (I don't recall exactly where I learned that--good question): From Naves' Topical Dictionary: Trumpets, Feast Of • When and how observed (Le 23:24,25 Nu 29:1-6) • Celebrated after the captivity with joy (Ne 8:2,9-12) • See Feasts Atonement, Day Of • Time of (Ex 30:10 Le 23:27 25:9 Nu 29:7) • How observed (Ex 30:10 Le 16:2-34 23:27-32 Nu 29:7-11 Ac 27:9 Heb 5:3 9:7,19,22) |
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224 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25522 | ||
And thoise who want to jump way beyond the evidence and ask questions with the intent of putting others down get what they deserve. If I had known that this forum was going to be anti-Bible and not wanting to study (as per the name) in-depth I wouldn't have come here. I quess assumed too much. | ||||||
225 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25520 | ||
A number (but not all) of your questions are answered in my study at http://biblestudy.iwarp.com. Last I checked it ran over 70 pages so I'm not going to cut-and-paste it all here. Think about the use of "or"--it just doesn't make sense in the context of the whole. |
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226 | Who are 'others?' | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25517 | ||
"Did three members of your flock send you encouraging mail about your sermon on Saturday (or Sunday)?" I don't have a church; I said I was trained as a pastor (i.e., I know how to do what they are supposed to do; the pity is that many church members don't want to learn how to study the Bible for all it is worth. Apparently, they want to be spoon-fed.). I posted a study on my web site; none of my sermons that I have ever preached are posted anywhere. There is a distinct difference between the two--the study should undergird and support the sermon. ---- "Did three members of this forum send you mail to the effect that they understood your point on this thread?" Yes and encouraged me as well. They looked at my study and read it. One really, really liked my bibliography. He said that that alone was worth the visit. |
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227 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25516 | ||
One can always get an answer if one asks the right questions. But, at the same time one learns the lessons best if one asks the questions of the text and does one's homework. Unfortunately, as the Greek proverb says: All things good to know are difficult to learn. Questions that are asked with the intent of putting others down get what they deserve. |
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228 | what sabbath does it refer to? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25514 | ||
Very good question! Too bad the others didn't catch on to that one! The key is to look at how the word "heorte" was used in the LXX; it turns out that you'll find the same answer if you take very careful note how the words "chaq" and "mo'ed" are used in the Hebrew text. Hint: it wouldn't makes sense to use the word "heorte" (feast in English) to refer to a day of fasting (such as, the Day of Atonement and the feast of Trumpets--both of which are?). | ||||||
229 | Sunday or Saturday? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25513 | ||
As I understand the Bible the Sabbath runs from sundown to sundown not 6 to 6 (after all they didn'thave clocks in the Garden of Eden or in most, if not all, of the OT. I liked your very careful choice of words: "the early church gathered on either day." But, that isn't the question; the question really is on which day should we worship God? Col.2:16-17 is NOT talking about the seventh-day Sabbath or Sunday. Acts 20:7 was simply a meeting on Saturday nite because Paul was leaving the next day (i.e. he was traveling on Sunday but not the Sabbath because to him it was still holy). Thanks for the texts. |
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230 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25512 | ||
"Please know that we are not trying to mean or anything. Those of us that have been around for a while have had to fight tooth and nail for clear Biblical statements. You might say that we desire 'hot or cold' and 'yes or no' answers, because there are so many 'lukewarm' and 'maybe' answers that are not answers." Sorry, but I have been attacked so frequently by my fellow Christians that I am quite leery of going beyond what the Bible says. |
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231 | What day do YOU attend church? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25511 | ||
"What day do you attend church?" You are assuming that I go to church. Much like many "commentators" assume that they know what Col. 2:16-17 is talking about. Tit-for-tat and it won't hurt as much as (well, that assumes you don't put your foot in it): what is Col.2:16-17 about? |
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232 | Sunday or Saturday? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25409 | ||
"Would your congregation be as confused as we are after your sermon? :-)" According to my email (3 tonite) others got it quite fine. |
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233 | Sunday or Saturday? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25408 | ||
"The original question was "What is the true worship day, Sunday or Saturday?"" However, the devil lies in the details and here we are looking at specifically at Col. 2:16-17. What does it say about Sunday? --- Skipping the sarcasm; "I truly can't see that you have made a conclusive statement on this issue." I have said it a number of times; let's try it again in a different way: THIS VERSE DOES NOT CONDEMN SABBATH-KEEPING AS IS COMMONLY CLAIMED. IT ISN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE SEVENTH-DAY SABBTH IN THE FIRST PLACE. Hmm-m-m, capitalizing definitely does help it to stand out. |
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234 | What IS your belief? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25407 | ||
I wasn't judging you. It takes along time to even find all of the relevant data. In fact, in the past two weeks others have pointed me to about another dozen sources. I didn't say that _you_ wanted a myth. Nor, did I say that I only study one verse per year or that I don't interpret the Bible. I have never said (much less even thought) that my knowledge was siuperior to others--that's why my bibliography on Col. 2:16-17 is over 180 sources long vs. just having it listing me as the fount of all wisdom and sarcasm. |
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235 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25406 | ||
I wasn't trying to put down anyone. Thank you for the correction on the plural of thesis. |
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236 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25372 | ||
" I on the other hand using what I perceived to be the tone of your response." Either you were typing faster than you were thinking (I can understand that!) or English is not your native language. |
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237 | What IS your belief? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25371 | ||
Shepard's thesis's were speculations and thus are the product of man. Mine is a grammatical and linguistic analysis of the evidence; that is, I looked to see what the Greek words that Paul wrote meant. --- ""I still don't know whether you are saying that we should repent and dump Sunday assembly, or it's technically wrong but morally OK, or what?"" My study was of limited scope (it isn't even a complete exegetical analysis fo the verse). To go beyond the evidence is called eisegesis. There are others here who are far more capable and willing to do that. Since I have been trained as a pastor I can't go beyond what the text says. If you want a myth talk to the myth-makers; I'll give you cold hard facts. All I can tellyou so far is that if someone uses Col. 2:16-17 and tells you that it says Paul says we should keep the Sabbath then I can say that they a) haven't read the text clearly and b) Paul isn't even talking about the seventh-day Sabbath at all--tangentally, but still based on what Paul does say in Col. 2:16, we can say that since he didn't tell the believers not to keep the feast days and new moons and ceremonial sabbaths and he refers to them in the present tense some 30 years after the cross doesn't that imply that we should be keeping them today? And if that's true for them then what does that say about the seventh-day Sabbath? And then, where does that leave Sunday-keeping? One should always bear in mind that a sin is not sin if you don't know that it is a sin. And God knows exactly what you know and why you know it. He also knows why you don't know some things and what you could have known if you had taken the effort to know. Kapeesh? |
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238 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25364 | ||
There is nothing wrong with having group prayer and Bible studies on any day of the week. BTW, that should be "eating and drinking" not food and drink and secondly in Greek the first "eta" should be "either"--as not in "or you eat your vegetables or there will be no dessert". Now take a close look at "with regard to" (Gk: "en merei"). |
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239 | What IS your belief? | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25363 | ||
If they really, really believe that they are following Scripture then why do they refer you to the mere ramblings and speculations of man? What I have found from studying the grammatical and linguistic features of Col.2:16-17 is that it is not talking about the seventh-day Sabbath. It does not say anything about the keeping of Sunday. That practice crept into the church over a long period of time. |
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240 | what is the true worship day sun. or sat | Col 2:16 | djconklin | 25254 | ||
"... but how do we now "know with a fair degree of certainty" that Paul used the word "kai"? ..." Scholars who have studied the texts have found that the earliest one's had "kai"; also it doesn't make sense to have "eta". --- "How many English translations were there before the King James?" That depends on how far you count it as being English! ;) There was about half a dozen earlier Bibles in English, like Tyndale, Great, and Geneva. If you check into the KJV only theory you'll find the info. |
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