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221 | Jesus Created or Creator??? | Rev 3:14 | Radioman2 | 96132 | ||
Hank: Yes, we do need another cult, preferably one without a creed. You see, if they had no creed, then they wouldn't cause divisions in the church. After all, it is not what the creed summarizes, but the existence of the creed itself that divides. Hopefully the new cult would have no creed. Then we could all be one happy family, without regard to what the cult taught. If you believe that, . . . --Radioman2 :-) |
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222 | Jesus Created or Creator??? | Rev 3:14 | Radioman2 | 96127 | ||
Truthfinder: You're welcome. And thank you for your reply. Take care. Radioman2 |
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223 | Jesus Created or Creator??? | Rev 3:14 | Radioman2 | 96120 | ||
IS JESUS WISDOM? 'JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND PROVERBS 8:22 'According to Jehovah's Witnesses Jesus is wisdom in Proverbs 8:22. Is Proverbs 8:22 speaking about Jesus? Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus is being spoken of in Proverbs 8:22 and was created by God before all other things were created. What is going to be shown here is what Jehovah's Witnesses believe, and teach others concerning Proverbs 8:22, and look at the context of Proverbs 8:22 to see what exactly this passage is saying. 'In the Jehovah's Witnesses brochure called "Should You Believe In The Trinity page 14" they say the following: "Notice how closely those references to the origin of Jesus correlate with expressions uttered by the figurative "Wisdom" in the Bible book of Proverbs: "Yahweh created me, first-fruits of his fashioning, before the oldest of his works. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I came to birth; before he had made the earth, the countryside, and the first elements of the world." (Proverbs 8:12, 22, 25, 26, NJB) While the term "Wisdom" is used to personify the one whom God created, most scholars agree that it is actually a figure of speech for Jesus as a spirit creature prior to his human existence." (Should You Believe In The Trinity page 14) Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus is being spoken of in Proverbs 8:22 and that it teaches Wisdom (Jesus) was created. One point that needs to made right at the start. There is no reference to Jesus in Proverbs 8:22 at all. This passage is speaking of Wisdom, and for those who teach this is Jesus the evidence is not there. Another point is that the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus was God's first creation and therefore believe this to be speaking of Jesus and like to use different Bible Versions that would indicate that this Wisdom was created. There are Bible Versions that have Proverbs 8:22 with the words 'created, producted or made', however there are many Bible Versions that do not. 'BIBLE VERSIONS OF PROVERBS 8:22 THAT SUPPORT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES '"Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago." (New World Translation/ Official Jehovah's Witnesses Bible) '"The Lord created me first of all, the first of his works, long ago." (Todays English Bible) '"The Lord made me as the start of his way, the first of his works in the past." (The Bible In Basic English) 'BIBLE VERSIONS OF PROVERBS 8:22 THAT DO NOT SUPPORT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES '"The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old." (New American Standard Bible) '"Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old." (American Standard Version) '"Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old." (Darby Bible) '"Jehovah possessed me--the beginning of His way, Before His works since then." (Youngs Literal Translation) '"The LORD already possessed me long ago, when his way began, before any of his works." (Gods Word Bible) '"Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his work, Before his deeds of old." (World English Bible) '"The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, before His works of old." (Third Millennium Bible) 'Showing the comparison of different Bible Versions shows this is not an easy solution to Proverbs 8:22 and with it reading 'possessed' or 'create, made, produced'. What is the Hebrew word and what does it mean? The Hebrew word here is 'QANAH' and it means: "to own, to attain, buy-er, create, possess(-or), purchase, recover, redeem, provoke to jealously." The Hebrew word 'qanah' has many different definitions and can be used differently depending on the context. The question is how should 'qanah' be used in Proverbs 8:22? In order to rightly interpret the Scriptures the context is the key to understanding what the word means or implies. If someone said they love cats would you think they had a personal relationship with them as human beings do with other human beings? The word love can be used in many different ways and it is understood by the context of how it is used. The standard for rightly interpreting the Scriptures is reading carefully and looking at what is being said, who is sayiing it, and examining it in light of what the Scriptures teach.' ____________________ To read more, including 'EXAMINING PROVERBS 8 IN CONTEXT', go to: (http://www.apologeticsforchristians.homestead.com/JehovahsWitnessesProverbs8.html) |
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224 | A creed by any other name is still a... | 1 Tim 3:16 | Radioman2 | 96117 | ||
Creeds weren't in the Bible? NASB 1 Timothy 3:16 By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory. AMPLIFIED 1 Timothy 3:16 And great and important and weighty, we confess, is the hidden truth (the mystic secret) of godliness. He [God] was made visible in human flesh, justified and vindicated in the [Holy] Spirit, was seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, [and] taken up in glory. --Radioman2 |
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225 | A New Reformation? | Revelation | Radioman2 | 96113 | ||
Regarding creeds/statements of faith If no one in a church/denomination took the responsibility for codifying, writing and publishing what that church specifically teaches, then who would know WHAT that church/denomination believed? It's not enough to say, "Well, we just believe the Bible." Every evangelical and fundamentalist church claims to believe the Bible. As has been illustrated numerous times on the Forum, one must ask the question: What interpretation* of the Bible does your church hold to on various doctrinal points? I.e., how does your church INTERPRET the Bible? We all use the Bible and all quote the same verses, but we do not all see eye to eye on the meaning of those verses. Hence, the need for statements of faith -- so that people will KNOW WHAT WE BELIEVE. ____________________ *interpretation -- NOT translation --Radioman2 |
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226 | Are Footnotes Biblical Evidence? :-) | Rev 3:14 | Radioman2 | 96093 | ||
For By Him All Things Were Created NASB Colossians 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. The Bible teaches that by Christ all things were created. Some say that Christ Himself is a created being. If both these statements are true, then Christ created Himself -- since he created all things. Of course the idea that Christ created Himself is absurd. Therefore, since the Bible is true, then it is not true that He is a created being. He Himself Existed Before All Things NASB Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. AMPLIFIED Colossians 1:17 And He Himself existed before all things, and in Him all things consist (cohere, are held together). [Prov. 8:22-31.] A. The Bible teaches that Christ Himself existed BEFORE all things. B. Some say that Christ Himself is a created being.* If both A and B are true, then Christ existed before He existed, which is impossible. Therefore, since the Bible is true, then it is not true that He is a created being.* ____________________ *created being. All things would include Christ. In Colossians 1:16 "all things" include "rulers or authorities", which are beings or persons, as Christ is. ******************** Tim: Of course, I agree with you. I thought you might find this post interesting. --Radioman2 |
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227 | Jesus Created or Creator??? | Rev 3:14 | Radioman2 | 96037 | ||
'The Jehovah's Witnesses and Hebrews 1:8 and Psalm 45:6 ____________________ 'To say "God is your throne" doesn't make sense.' 'The Watchtower organization denies that Jesus is God. Therefore, it cannot permit any verses in the Bible to even hint that Jesus is God. That is why they choose a translation that does not best fit the context or overall theology of the Bible.' ____________________ '"But with reference to the Son: 'God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness'" The New World Translation. 'In this particularly interesting verse, God is addressing the Son. The Greek construction of Hebrews 1:8 allows the text to be translated in two legitimate ways: '"God is your throne forever and ever.... and '"Thy Throne O God, is forever and ever..." 'But because of the Watchtower presupposition that Jesus is not God, they choose the first version, otherwise, the Father would be calling Jesus God and that goes against Jehovah's Witness theology. Yet, most Bibles do not translate it the way the New World Translation does. They choose the other way. Why? Two reasons. 'First, Heb. 1:8 is a quote from Psalm 45:6, which says, '"Thy Throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy Kingdom" (All Bible quotes are from the NASB). 'In fact, the ASV, KJV, NIV, and NKJV all translated it as "Your throne, O God..." The RSV translates it as "Your divine throne endures for ever and ever," "but this is a highly unlikely translation because it requires understanding the Hebrew noun for "thrown" in construct state, something extremely unusual when a noun has a pronomial suffix, as this one does...The KJV, NIV, and NASB all take the verse in its plain, straightforward sense, as do the ancient translations..."1 'When we look at the Hebrew, we see that there is no grammatical requirement for this translation, though it is considered to be the best translation by most translators. In and of itself, this is not conclusive because the context of this verse in Psalm 45 is dealing with a king which would make one wonder why he would be addressed as God. But, it is not uncommon for NT writers to take a verse in the OT that seemingly deals with one subject and apply it to another. They knew something we didn't. In fact, in Ezekiel 28:12-17 is a section that deals with the fall of the devil. Verse 13 says describes how he was in the garden of Eden. Verse 14 says he was the anointed cherub, (v. 15), etc. But the context of this section begins with an address to the king of Tyre (v. 12). Yet, right after Ezekiel is told to write to the King of Tyre he then goes on to describe what the great majority of theologians agree with is a description of the devil's fall. So, we need to look at the context that the writer of Hebrews put Psalm 45:6 into. He addressed it to Jesus. Therefore, Psalm 45 is a Messianic Psalm and must in interpreted in light of the NT, not the other way around. 'Nevertheless, the context of this verse follows: '"For to which of the angels did He ever say, "Thou are My son, Today I have begotten Thee"? And again, "I will be a Father to Him, and He shall be a Son to Me"? 6And when he again brings the first-born into the world, He says, "And let all the angels of God worship Him." 7And of the angels He says "Who makes His angels winds, and His ministers a flame of fire." 8But of the Son He says, "Thy Throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom, 9Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, Thy God, hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy companions. 10And, "Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Thy hands; 11They will perish, but though remainest...." (Heb. 1:5-11). 'To say "God is your throne" doesn't make sense. What does it mean to say, "But to which of the angels did he say, God is your throne." What would that mean? Is God, Jesus' throne? God alone is on His throne and He isn't a throne for anyone else. (. . . ) 'The Watchtower organization denies that Jesus is God. Therefore, it cannot permit any verses in the Bible to even hint that Jesus is God. That is why they choose a translation that does not best fit the context or overall theology of the Bible.' ________________ 1. Grudem, Wayne, Systematic Theology, Intervarsity Press, Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1994, page 227. ________________ (www.carm.org/jw/heb1_8.htm) --Radioman2 |
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228 | Jesus Created or Creator??? | Rev 3:14 | Radioman2 | 96030 | ||
Makarios: The question you ask is: "How, may I ask, do you interpret Hebrews 1:8?" The answer you get may be to the question, which you did not ask: How does the Watchtower Society TRANSLATE Hebrews 1:8? But with reference to the Son: "God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness." (Hebrews 1:8 NWT) Radioman2 |
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229 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Radioman2 | 96024 | ||
Suede: My sincere thanks to you for taking the time to provide more detailed information on why you believe what you believe. I find your posts interesting and educational. Grace to you, Radioman2 |
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230 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Radioman2 | 96010 | ||
pre-, mid-, post-trib rapture, premill, preterism, predestination, election, cessation of the charismatic gifts, baptism for adults or infants... 'Secondary Non-Essentials 'The [following] subjects . . . whether affirmed or denied have no bearing on the status of a person before God. They are opinions, various positions held. Unfortunately, it is in these non essentials that many denominational differences result. 'SUBJECT '- Predestination, election, limited atonement, and free will '- Communion every week, monthly, or quarterly, etc. '- Saturday or Sunday Worship '- Pre, mid, post trib rapture. '- Premill, Amill, post millenialism, preterism. '- Continuation or cessation of the charismatic gifts '- Baptism for adults or infants 'IMPORTANCE Secondary Non-Essentials Any of them can be denied, or affirmed, and regeneration is not in question. 'RELIGIOUS GROUPS 'Denomination Division Denominational differences often result due to these issues.' ____________________ Adapted from Doctrine Grid (www.carm.org/doctrine/grid.htm) --Radioman2 [nonessentials] |
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231 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Radioman2 | 95965 | ||
Part 2 'Did Jesus Already Return in AD 70? 'If the Rapture "has already taken place", then the resurrection has already taken place. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15 writes of the day when the final "trumpet" for believers will be blown and mortality will put on immortality. In this passage, he links the Rapture with the resurrection of believers. In other words, when the Rapture takes place, the resurrection occurs. 'Those who insist that the events of Matthew 24 are history and say that the "generation that sees these things" was the generation concurrent with Jesus nearly 2,000 years ago, must of necessity show that the resurrection has also taken place. The only way that is possible is to spiritualize the text by saying that the resurrection was a spiritual one and not a physical one. 'Moderate (or partial) preterist, R.C. Sproul recognizes this when he says, To maintain that these events [the Olivet teaching] were indeed fulfilled in the first century, one must interpret the relevant passages in a way that makes early fulfillment possible. The most severe obstacle [to that] is the absence of any historical record that the rapture of the living and the resurrection of the dead occurred. (R.C. Sproul, The Last Days According to Jesus, Baker Books, 1998, pg 161) 'There are two serious problems with understanding the resurrection as a "spiritual" event. R.C. Sproul says, The first difficulty is that it [Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians 15] involves propositions and assertions that can be neither verified nor falsified empirically. ... if one announces or predicts things that will take place in the arena of real history involving physical reality, then empirical verification becomes relevant and crucial...It is unfortunate that the apostle failed to alert the Corinthians-and us, by extension-that he was speaking of a secret, hidden, spiritual resurrection. His language certainly suggests something else, particularly as Paul so clearly conjoins the resurrection of our bodies with the resurrection of Christ's body. The resurrected Christ is the firstfruits of all who will be raised. (R.C. Sproul, The Last Days According to Jesus, Baker Books, 1998, pg 162) 'And what was the resurrected body of Jesus like? First, the tomb was empty. In other words, there was a physical body in it but on the day of His resurrection, it became empty. A body had departed from it. Second, he had a glorified body. It was different from His previous mortal body, but it was the same body. Third, Jesus was visible to the disciples until the time He ascended and was touched by them and ate with them. Christ's resurrected body was a physical body, not a spiritualized one. 'A theological problem with a spiritualized understanding of the resurrection is likewise addressed by R.C. Sproul - If a spiritual body cannot be seen, touched, or handled, is it a body at all? It is one thing to say that our resurrected bodies will be spiritiual bodies, but quite another to imply that our resurrected bodies will be merely spirits. The Bible speaks of spiritual bodies. (R.C. Sproul, The Last Days According to Jesus, Baker Books, 1998, pg 164) 'A common problem among interpreters of the Bible is that of "shifting gears". If a person approaches his interpretation of the Bible with, for example, a face value hermeneutic, then it is critical that he remain consistent with his approach. However, many often "flip flop" in their interpretation approach to maintain a preconceived understanding of a text. An example of this is the above. Preterists interpret "this generation" in the simple sense as meaning the generation concurrent with Christ and then suddenly "shift gears" and apply a figurative approach to arrive at a spiritualized understanding of the Rapture and the resurrection. That is an inconsistent hermeneutic and leads to error. 'When spiritualization is introduced into one's interpretation, Pandora's box is opened and various meanings can be understood. The only way the integrity of the Author/author's wording and meaning can be preserved is by taking Scripture at face value. Taking Scripture at face value means that the student of Scripture recognizes the difference between what can be called the "simple sense" of a passage and what is understood as a literal understanding. A literal understanding includes the examination of the historical/cultural and lexical/syntactical considerations. It also recognizes symbols and figures of speech and realizes there is a referent for them. For further information on hermeneutical principles, see the "links" section of this website for an explanation. (Did Jesus Already Return in AD 70? By Rev. Bill Lee-Warner) (http://www.solagroup.org/articles/endtimes/et_0003.html) - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Radioman2 |
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232 | The second coming of Jesus | Bible general Archive 2 | Radioman2 | 95963 | ||
Part 1 Did Jesus Already Return in AD 70? 'By Rev. Bill Lee-Warner '"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Matthew 24:34 'The above passage is found in what is referred to as the Olivet Discourse of Jesus given a few days before Christ's crucifixion. The context for Matthew 24:34 is Jesus' response to the questions of the disciples regarding His return and the end of the age. There are those in the church of Jesus Christ who understand "this generation" to refer to the generation to whom Jesus was speaking the day He gave the discourse. 'The apostle Paul recognized this error and warned Timothy of it when he wrote, "But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, and...spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and thus they upset the faith of some." (2 Tim. 2:16-18) 'Today, there is a resurgence of this teaching known as preterism. The term preterism comes from the Latin word praeterism and means "past" or already gone by. The basic teaching of preterism is that the great tribulation has already occured in the distant past, principally at AD 70. Those who hold to this teaching are known specifically as full preterists. There is another subgroup of preterists known as partial or moderate preterists. This latter group sees parts of the Olivet Discourse, or Jesus' teaching on end times, as partially fulfilled in AD 70 but other parts as yet to be fulfilled at the second parousia of Christ. Several efforts have been made to establish preterism as historically sound and biblical but the clear warning of Paul reminds us that it is an heretical and false teaching. The following reasons are offered to the student of Scripture and prophecy for consideration. Be a Berean (Acts 17:11) and examine the Word to "see if these things are so."' ____________________ To read the rest of this article and find out what "the following reasons" are, go to (www.solagroup.org/articles/endtimes/et_0003.html) - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Radioman2 |
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233 | Exodus 33:11 vs. Ex. 33:1-22? | Ex 33:23 | Radioman2 | 95951 | ||
Hank: You write: "...two busy writing on the fourem to think ..... --hank." Too busy writing on the forum to think! Don't look now, but you may have written the forum's epitaph. (Or is it epithet?) :-) --Radioman2 |
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234 | Jesus Created or Creator??? | Rev 3:14 | Radioman2 | 95945 | ||
"...the Origin and Beginning and Author of God's creation" AMPLIFIED Revelation 3:14 And to the angel (messenger) of the assembly (church) in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the trusty and faithful and true Witness, the Origin and Beginning and Author of God's creation: [Isa. 55:4; Prov. 8:22.] |
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235 | Jesus Created or Creator??? | Rev 3:14 | Radioman2 | 95943 | ||
"Firstborn does not require a meaning of first created as the Jehovah's Witnesses say it means here." 'The Jehovah's Witnesses and Col. 1:15 '"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exists." (Col. 1:15-17, for context. The New World Translation - Emphasis added. Note the NWT’s addition of “other” into the text four times. This is discussed here (col1_16-17.htm).) 'The Jehovah's Witnesses interpret the word "firstborn" here to mean "first created" because it is consistent with their theological presupposition that Jesus is a created thing. Of course, Jesus, the word become flesh (John 1:1,14) is not a created thing. But that hasn't stopped the Watchtower organization from claiming He is. Nevertheless, there is a Greek word for "first created" and it was in use at the time of Paul's writing to the Colossians. He did not use it here. The Greek for "firstborn" is proto with tikto which would give us "firstborn" and that is what we find here in Colossians 1:15. The Greek for "first created" would be proto with ktizo and it is not used here. 'Second, the biblical use of the word "firstborn" is most interesting. It can mean the first born child in a family (Luke 2:7), but it can also mean "pre-eminence." In Psalm 89:20, 27 it says, "I have found David My servant; with My holy oil I have anointed him...I also shall make him My first-born" (NASB). As you can see, David, who was the last one born in his family was called the firstborn by God. This is a title of preeminence. 'Third, firstborn is also a title that is transferable: '- Gen. 41:51-52, "And Joseph called the name of the first-born Manasseh: For, said he, God hath made me forget all my toil, and all my father’s house. And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath made me fruitful in the land of my affliction" (NASB) '- Jer. 31:9, "...for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn (NASB)." 'Scripture best interprets scripture. Firstborn does not require a meaning of first created as the Jehovah's Witnesses say it means here. "Firstborn" can mean the first born person in a family and it can also be a title of preeminence which is transferable. That is obvious since Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14) and is also the first born son of Mary. In addition, He is the pre-eminent one in all things. The Jehovah's Witnesses should consider this when they examine Col. 1:15. They should also abandon the Watchtower which guides them in their thinking and believing.' ____________________ http://www.carm.org/jw/col1_15.htm - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Radioman2 |
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236 | Do you believe once save, always saved. | Luke 23:43 | Radioman2 | 95909 | ||
Whether Christians listen to Statements of Faith or whether the Bible is our source of Truth and Faith is NOT the point of my question. I asked where "Once saved, always saved" is found in a denomination's statement of faith for a reason, i.e., because I very much doubt that any statement of faith says that. Grace to you, Radioman2 |
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237 | Do you believe once save, always saved. | Luke 23:43 | Radioman2 | 95899 | ||
I challenge anyone on or off this forum to show me one denomination whose published statement of faith includes the phrase "Once saved, always saved." I mean show me EXACTLY where you find it. Give me the title, author, publisher, copyright year or the website where it says that. Please put up or do the other thing. |
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238 | A New Reformation? | Revelation | Radioman2 | 95845 | ||
Left Behind ____________________ 'Perhaps the eschatology of this film can best be summarized by a line from within the film itself, spoken by Buck Williams, played by Kirk Cameron: "The scriptures are so vague, they could mean anything". 'One wonders if the whole film was built around this perspective.' ____________________ Justme, Hank, DarcyA, New Creature: For an introduction to why the Left Behind books and film are dangerously off in their theology, go to the following website: (www.solagroup.org/articles/endtimes/et_0002.html) I quote from a review of the film: ____________________ 'LEFT BEHIND: 'A Review of the Latest End Times Film by Dirk Eichhorst 'It is troubling that Hollywood often produces films that are blatantly anti-Christian. Even more troubling is when Christians with good intentions produce a film that tries to tell the truth, but is dangerously off in its theology. LEFT BEHIND is the latest film that tackles eschatology (the study of end times), and claims to be biblical. Yet the film misinterprets and misapplies significant portions of prophetic Scripture. Can this kind of misleading teaching in a film potentially do more harm than a blatantly anti-Christian message? (...) '...we have already seen that the timing and ordering of the eschatological events strays from the biblical outline. The film's writers determined the sequence of events. The order of events, outlined by Christ in Matthew 24 and echoed in Revelation, are ignored. It is these inaccuracies of the film's eschatology that makes it so questionable. Hollywood films are obviously stories, most of them fictional, and yes, they can degrade, deceive, and challenge biblical thinking. But LEFT BEHIND, being touted as Truth, is in the position to deceive many into thinking this is what the Word of God says concerning end time events, that this is how it will happen, and that all Christians believe it to be this way. The film is a tragic error that will cost far more than its budget in false teaching. 'Perhaps the eschatology of this film can best be summarized by a line from within the film itself, spoken by Buck Williams, played by Kirk Cameron: "The scriptures are so vague, they could mean anything". 'One wonders if the whole film was built around this perspective' (www.solagroup.org/articles/endtimes/et_0002.html). ____________________ Grace to you, Radioman2 |
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239 | True believer | Rom 10:9 | Radioman2 | 95784 | ||
Who gets spiritually weird? EdB: Speaking of the word of fake movement, have you ever wondered: What kind of people get spiritually weird? I think you will enjoy the following. Grace to you, Radioman2 ___________________ 'It seems like every couple of years a new fad comes down the pike promising a, deeper richer, fuller, Christian life. If you've been around for a while you know what I mean. In my twenty years as a Christian we've had Power in praise; the "second blessing" as key to the powerful Christian life; . . . heavy-handed submission to church leadership; binding, loosing and rebuking of demons, NAME IT AND CLAIM IT, the School of the Prophets, hearing the voice of God, power evangelism. These are all fads, ladies and gentlemen, evangelical joy-toys. They each may emphasize something that has biblical merit, but they do so in an unbalanced way, and each fails utterly as a panacea, as the one particular and principle thing that makes your Christian life "work." 'It is uniquely American to want an easy way out, especially a way out that is not painful and requires no work. That American value has crept into our American Christianity. So we have these seminars to get it all taken care of in a weekend. Want mental health? Get hands laid on you and you'll have mental health overnight. Want spirituality? Have a vision, get the baptism, . . . Want your problems to disappear? Simply praise the Lord. Want to be rid of temptation and sin? Have the demon cast out. Want to be done with the aggravation of decision making? Let God speak to you. 'Instead of being devoted to developing spiritual maturity and attaining Scriptural knowledge, we want the quick fix. Instead of developing mastery, we want magic. Instead of learning our lessons, we want the master sitting next to us during the tests of life whispering His answers into our ears. We anticipate an A in the exam of life not because we know the material, not because we've mastered the content and it's become a part of us, but because we've cheated. 'You will notice, by the way, that these extreme things do not stay around long, and that the effects of these fads fade over time. That's why the church as a whole has to move on to its next fast-fix.' ____________________ "How to Keep from Getting Spiritually Weird" by Gregory Koukl. This is a transcript of a commentary from the radio show "Stand to Reason," with Gregory Koukl. (Emphasis added.) For more information, contact Stand to Reason at (www.str.org) |
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240 | FAITH? | 1 Pet 1:7 | Radioman2 | 95780 | ||
NASB Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. AMPLIFIED Romans 10:17 So faith comes by hearing [what is told], and what is heard comes by the preaching [of the message that came from the lips] of Christ (the Messiah Himself). |
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