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21 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | wordoer | 220636 | ||
Hello BradK, I assure you I am not confusing the promises made to Israel with the church, and I agree at this time that Mal. 3:8-9 is not a proof-text command or promise to the Body of Christ, it is however a promise to Israel. I was just reading in Hebrews Chapter 7, and the context of the tithe was giving a tenth of Abrahams spoils or increase to Melchizedek. It is strange that this is relating back to the OT. It seems things haven't changed from OT to NT and the basis on which the Law is set that obedience to it will bring blessings, and disobedience would bring a curse. I don't see at this time the tithe as a command, unless a requirement to recieve blessings would be considered a command, I have to look into that a little more, I'm still learning and growing. In answer to your last question, I thank Him for placing me in this position, and I would have to say that I am seeking the Kingdom. ( Matt 13:45). Now I would like to know if anyone reading could show me if the tithe is commanded. Thank you, wordoer |
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22 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | wordoer | 103800 | ||
Hello Makarios, You ask how would I handle these passages; "And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)" Matthew 7:18-19 [NASB] I would handle it with care, to be true to the Word and be in the context of the whole of scripture, by taking all of scripture. Ps 119:160 The sum of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting. Shin. It is hard to deny what is taught in Lev. 11, and Deut. 14, you can't twist it any way to make it say that God allows for His people to eat unclean animals. As I stated with the reference I gave, it does no violence to the Word of God. Nor will this explanation do violence to God's word. It makes it easier for me to find if you give the correct location of the verse! Mark 7:18 And He *said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, Mark 7:19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.) I don't know what the problem is really, This has nothing to do with unclean animals. I'll do the best I can in explaining it, since you think it is pertinent. This scripture comes after the Pharisees have asked Jesus why His Disciples are not following the tradition of the elders, the washing of hands, Jesus called them hypocrites, neglecting the commandment of God to hold to the traditions. So The problem for the Pharisees was that the Disciples were not going through all the ritual prescribed by the "tradition of the elders" ( which are not Biblical writings), that apparently teach that a man would be defiled if he didn't do the ritual proper. The add on in parenthesis stating all foods to be clean, I would have to agree with because I stated before that the clean animals were for "food" and the unclean animals were not for "food". Are you having trouble understanding this? "Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience' sake; FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD'S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS." 1 Corinthians 10:25-26 Again this is out of context, you would have to assume "swines flesh", was being sold in the meat market, for this to have any relevance. In context, the scripture is dealing with "meat" sacrificed to idols, and not to offend another by eating it. There were a lot of superstitious people back then, just like today. You say: "Therefore, we can eat pig, pork or any kind of meat without believing that we are in some way "violating" Leviticus 11." You are saying that "swines flesh" is for food, and that would not be violating Lev.11,and Deut.14? That sounds double-minded to me. I also noticed you did not mention 1Timothy chapter 4, Do you agree with me on the points I made previously concerning those verses? wordoer |
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23 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | wordoer | 104301 | ||
Hello Steve, I believe that you already have a preconceived notion and are reading something into these verses; maybe it is because you think "unclean animals" are for "food". I cannot get around the teaching in Lev.11 and Deut.14, of which animals are clean (for food) and unclean (not for food). It reads so plainly that we are not to eat unclean animals. It seems that Sissy is at this point also; further study may be of benefit to others on the forum. For me it is going to far to assume that unclean animals are clean, without scripture to back it up. I only ask that you please refrain from using confusing terminology, I don't know what "ceremonially clean food" is, it only appears that you are trying to reclassify what God in His Word has already classified. The only hurdle for me in continuing this discussion is this question that needs to be addressed first and foremost, Where does the Word of God teach "unclean animals" are for "food"? Paul said we (I think Christians) are destroying speculation and taking every thought captive, we need to take these thoughts captive and examine them to come to the truth. 2 Cor 10:5 We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, Please look at this part of your closing statement; "Eating pork (or rattlesnake, or shrimp) can't make a believer unclean because there are no unclean foods." You are giving examples of what the Bible has classified as "unclean animals" and then saying there are no "unclean foods". To say the least it is confusing. I would agree that there are no unclean foods. What leads you to believe there are no unclean animals? We should look at this with humility and be willing to examine these things to find the truth. I only want to search out the truth, and if it is not the truth it is a lie. If you do not wish to answer my questions I will understand that. Please only reply if you wish to study this further ( I have asked two questions in this post and I would like answers), you may see something in scripture that I don’t, please enlighten me. I would rather study it out to see what is so. I am hoping I may even learn something. I hope this is a help to you and others as well, wordoer |
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24 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | wordoer | 111320 | ||
Hello EdB, I have been intending on addressing your question to me, however I am unable to answer because I can find no scripture relating to several of the things you are assuming I should keep according to the Law. Please give me the scriptures you are refering to so that I may properly address your question as to why I keep "part" of the Law and not all of it. I am assuming these are all found in Leviticus. Thank you, wordoer |
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25 | It isn't right to eat pig is it? | 1 Tim 4:4 | wordoer | 111596 | ||
Hello EdB, I am focused on this part of the Law, because it is relative to the question that started this thread, (unlike your question to me which would be more appropriate in another thread- concerning the whole of the Law, and what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross). I am not as ignorant as you may think concerning the Law. I also believe you skirted my request by giving me chapter references, and no specific verse, It is time consuming to search through all those chapters (especially on a wild goose chase). My reason for asking you for references of your statement is because I am unaware of these laws you mention, specifically; (your statements in quotes), This is the first one I can’t find in God’s Law, “…and you do not touch your wife and make her leave the house when she has her period” Nor can this be located maybe it is worded differently? “You have two fridges one for dairy and one for meat” I believe I have heard of the great cheeseburger prohibition, But, I can't find it in scripture. “you never eat cheese burgers” “ If not, why do you keep part of the law but not all of it?” Are we looking at the same Law? You did mention some of God’s Laws and then saw fit to throw these in; I am just trying to make sure your statements are valid. I would like to be on the same page with you when I answer your question. I appreciate your blessings, wordoer |
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