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21 | Be serious about this- | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 56836 | ||
Aspiring Overseer, Your name is interesting. You are seeking God to become a counselor or pastor or father of kids? If any are the case, then keep seeking and He will lead you down the right path! In response, the person who doesn't understand is not held accountable until the Holy Spirit enlightens him as he seeks to understand. The verses you mention refer to those who have rejected knowledge, not those who are ignorant of it. They know something is wrong, but they turn from the truth. I'm referring to people who were a) never approached and so do not know to seek and b) who are seeking and haven't yet had an experience or "epiphany" that further explains God's truth. Babes in Christ are not held to the same standards as mature Christians or else I fear many more people would give up before they started out of a sense of hopelessness. (I would be very discouraged if I died right now and was held accountable at the same level as Mother Theresa!) I will answer as best I can to each passage: Job 36:10 refers to God giving instruction to man, if they hear (turn toward God), then they are blessed (v11). However, if they don't hear (reject God), then they are cursed (v12) to die without the knowledge of how rich both in spiritual and perhaps physical wealth life would be if they would let go of their pride, anger, and self-righteousness (see ch 35, esp.ly v 12-14, and ch 36, esp.ly v 17-19). Prov 19:2, I'm not sure how this verse supports your argument as it only says it isn't good to lack knowledge, not that something bad will happen because you lack knowledge. Isa. 27:11 is referring to Israel (the "fortified city" in v 10) turning from the Lord to their own methods. The passage speaks of people who, instead of seeking the Lord's will, or asking the Spirit for guidance, try to do things for themselves. This is a pride issue. Deut. 32:28-31 and Isa. 1:2-3 further explains the passage in ch 27. Israel became prideful and sought their own way. They are not an ignorant nation, but a prideful nation. I do not understand your point for using Jer 5:3-4, either (as I didn't understand the use of Prov. 19:2). V 3 says "You have smitten them" and "You have consumed them" but "they have refused to repent". Again, this passage is dealing with Israel's rebellion. They are seeking anything but justice and truth (v 1), yet when God disciplines them, they continue to rebel. A person is not described to be in a state of rebellion, thus requiring smiting and consuming, if he doesn't know he is rebelling. God only disciplines those who knowingly and willingly place their will or desires above God's. Matt 15:14 is describing the Pharisees, not ignorant people (see v 12). If you look at 2 Cor 4:2, you will see that those who are perishing do so because they are crafty and adulterate, or change the meaning of, the gospel. Hos 4:6 begins with v 4 where the people are likened to those who contend with priests. This isn't a result of ignorance, but of rebellion. They contend because they don't want to obey, or they want to alter, the rules. "My people" means God's chosen ones, or Israel. They are cursed because they rejected knowledge, thus allowing generational sin. The stronghold established through the parents will not be broken until the ancestors seek the Lord. Just as Adam sinned and caused the rest of humanity to be born in sin, so did Israel curse its children. As an example of my point, a parent shouldn't hold his child accountable for something until the something has been clearly defined, otherwise, how would the child know what he has done wrong? 1 Sam 3:13 says that God holds the *parents* responsible for the sons' evil ways because the *parents* know. In the same way, God holds His children (those who have repented and accepted Jesus as their Savior) accountable for the truths we know. However, it isn't good to remain a babe in Christ, for then we cannot fulfill the Great Commission. In Christ, Estelle |
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22 | Corrected post! sorry for err! | John 1:1 | roviear | 56507 | ||
Hank, but wait, he still has it wrong (amazing how easy it is to trip up, isn't it? the Devil can be so sneaky). God as Father, God as Son, and God as Holy Spirit, if one and the same, cannot be at different levels, otherwise, they wouldn't be the same Being. The Father and the Son are both the Most High God. I will also post this to Mbooker. In Christ, Estelle |
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23 | is jesus god? | John 1:1 | roviear | 56465 | ||
Mbooker, Jesus and God are One. The NWT is a false interpretation of the original scrolls in that it changed certain meanings in the Bible. When speaking with those who believe otherwise (whether or not Jesus is a prophet or a lesser god, and from your statements, it seems you also believe otherwise), point them to Isa. 43:10-13. God is God, period. By introducing Jesus as someone other than God, you are saying that God isn't God, period, but He is actually two gods. Either Jesus is the God, or He isn't God at all. Making Jesus a lesser god equates Him with money, power, a spouse, a house, etc. There are several Scriptures that describe both God and Jesus in the same way. God is described as Glory (Isa. 42:8), Creator (Isa. 40:28), Redeemer (Isa. 33:22), Judge (Isa. 33:22), King (Isa. 33:22), Rock (Deut. 32:3,4), and Beginning and End (Isa. 1:4). Jesus is described as Glory (Matt. 16:27), Creator (Eph. 3:9), Redeemer (Acts 4:12), Judge (Jn. 5:22), King (Rev. 19:11-16), Rock (I Cor 10:4), and Beginning and End (Rev. 1:8-11). Another point, I found it interesting that you closed with the phrase Word of God when in fact, that is another description of both God and Jesus (John 1:1-4). Another interesting fact (taken from same source): Jehovah is the family name for God. In Deut. 6:4 the Lord our God (Elohim, plural) is one (Echad, synthesis of more than one, i.e., day and night equals 1 day; man and wife equals one flesh) is one (Jehovah). Also, in Heb. 1:7-9, the Father calls the Son God. Another point to consider: 2 Cor 4:2-6 explains that the god of this world (Satan) hides the truth of the gospel from those who manipulate the Word of God. That's exactly what the founders of the JW religion did, manipulate the gospel to suit their ends. The passage also describes the gospel as the Light, who is Jesus Christ, the glory of God, the glory being God. Finally, when you said snip(if Jesus's father is God (and he is), that makes him a God. Not The Most High God, but still a God), you're stating that God does in fact allow other gods to be worshipped besides Him. Only one should be capitalized, for capitalizing more than one infers equality. The Bible refers in many places to God's jealousy. God's first commandment is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Exod. 20:3)." If Jesus is not God but another god, then the person is essentially saying that God is wrong because there are 2 gods that can be worshipped. What does Jesus rule over that God does not rule over? nothing. What does God rule over that Jesus does not rule over? nothing. Then what was God's point for allowing another god to be worshipped? none. God's point for sending Himself in the form of man, was to provide man with a way to relate to Him. We cannot fathom His Awesomeness. We can fathom that God knows us because God came in the flesh to empathize with us. God knows firsthand about temptation because He went through it. He knows firsthand about suffering because He suffered more than any of us ever will (taking on the weight of all humans' sins and being crushed in His spirit while He was bodily mutilated on the cross). We as humans do not trust anyone who hasn't gone through the experience. Tell me, who would you trust with your life, the person who was told about CPR from a friend or the person who's had training and or experience? Who would you trust for advice, the person who's fixed a house or has proof of training for construction or the person who says that construction is basically common sense? That's the way we humans are. No one is comfortable with someone who isn't experienced, even if the experience is booksmarts. God loved us so much that He came to our level to allow us to get to His. With that, I will finally sign off. In Christ, Estelle |
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24 | Be serious about this- | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 56447 | ||
I stand corrected for changing the context of the question. | ||||||
25 | Be serious about this- | Bible general Archive 1 | roviear | 56265 | ||
Hi, the reference to twelve is not quite as arbitrary as it may seem. Jesus was brought to the temple when He turned twelve, as was the custom (Luke 2:42). Manasseh reigned Israel at twelve years of age AND was held accountable for his bad reign (Chronicles 33:1-2 and 2 Kings 21). All other kings who reigned at a younger age were led by advisors, but Manasseh was not. :-) Estelle |
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26 | Is baptism necessary for salvation? | Acts 10:48 | roviear | 54671 | ||
I'm not sure what you are saying. I got lost in your words. Could you please rephrase your comments/questions? Or were you stating thoughts out loud? I believe that Ananias was telling Saul that there's no reason for him to not be baptized. It isn't about being saved, it's about being obedient to the Lord. If you say you're a Christian, accept the Lord for all that He provides and acknowledge that you need Him to absolve you of sin and to make you a new person, then why not show publicly that you've decided to follow Christ? Many churches, mine included, have people give their testimonies before they are baptized. The testimony is to show that all people, regardless of what's happened in life, are able to call on the name of Jesus and be saved. The desire for baptism is about obedience, not salvation. You can only be saved one way, not two. Once you accept Jesus, there are no other "required" steps. That's the great thing about the gift of salvation, it's really a gift. Nothing else is required of you. |
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27 | Is baptism necessary for salvation? | Acts 10:48 | roviear | 54068 | ||
I'd like to jump into the fray this question has caused by stating that nothing we do is "required" of us to become Christian except to accept Jesus into our hearts, repent our sins to Him, and ask Him to make us a new person in Christ. Before I get hung out to dry for my statement, let me make my point. Baptism is a public proclamation of Jesus' internal changes, the 'physical' washing away of our sins, as it were. Once we have accepted Christ, we then, through our love and fear of God (fear as in "to have a reverential awe of", not "to be afraid of : expect with alarm" - merriam-webster.com), desire to be obedient to Him in all that we do. Baptism is another way for us to show our obedience, another way for us to more fully accept all that Jesus wants to bestow upon us. Jesus did it, John the Baptist did it, but did the thief? No, however, he was definitely saved through grace by his repentance. Getting caught up with the laws can easily make a person into a Pharisee because the laws then become more important than God (I'm not calling anyone a Pharisee, simply pointing out that it could happen). Baptism is two different things, for we are baptized by Jesus' blood, which, indeed saves us (see I Peter 3:21) and through water which grants us the ability to receive the Holy Spirit (Matt 3:11; Luke 3:16; John 1:33-35; Acts 1:5, 2:38, 11:16). |
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28 | personal | James 1:17 | roviear | 51116 | ||
variation or shadow cast: no hiding or dissimilating | ||||||
29 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 43208 | ||
To everyone: I've since learned that my second to last sentence is 100 per cent WRONG. You will not go to Hell once you become a believer, no matter the sin in your life. The motivation to stay the Christian course is not to ensure you get into heaven but because you love the Lord and want to please Him. Sorry for the misunderstanding. | ||||||
30 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 30281 | ||
Johnny, IMPORTANT: my previous comment is wrong in one sense. Abiding by the law wasn't the way OT Jews got into heaven. They had to have faith. Kalos pointed out my mistake and my response to the correction further clarifies what I should have said. Please also look at those two notes | ||||||
31 | Trinity or Trinity an angels b4 earth | John 1:3 | roviear | 30280 | ||
Good point, thanks! In Christ... | ||||||
32 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 30279 | ||
Hmmm...never thought about Jesus' coming as being retroactive. I did miss the faith side of things completely, didn't I? Thanks for pointing out my oversight. But then, this leads me to ask, why would God go into such great detail with the dos and don'ts (Ex. 20-end and Deut. 1-30)? I also believe Jesus mentioned that the old way was by law in conjunction with faith, but the new way is through Him with obedience. In other words, actions speak louder than words, but the actions don't mean anything if belief in God isn't motivating those actions. Reference Gen 26:5, Ex 18:20, Ezek 44:23-24. Essentially, works don't get a person anywhere without faith (OT) or Jesus (NT). I feel as if I'm drifting down the wrong path again, am I? No, I'm clarifying what I should have said and am answering my own question. Again, thank you. In Christ... | ||||||
33 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 30277 | ||
Johnny, when I wrote this, I was actually thinking of Deuteronomy when God provided Moses with the laws of how to live and what to do as various situations arose. The way to live began in Ex. 20 with the commandments and the correct way to worship. It picks up again in Deut. where the law touched upon every aspect of life, finishing in Deut. 30. You'll see in Deut. where God explicitly details what happens if believers are obedient and what happens if they aren't. True, Moses doesn't say a person can get into Heaven by doing this. But wouldn't you agree that the curses laid so bare in ch.s 28 and 29 summarize a person who won't be going to heaven if he doesn't get right with the Lord? In Christ... | ||||||
34 | "ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED"!!! | Matt 22:37 | roviear | 30275 | ||
John 3:16: People lose gifts all the time. Unfortunately, I "lost" God's gift for about 2 years by living my life the way I thought it should be lived (boy did I have a wake-up call!). Walk with me, if you will, on my thought path: you are a believer (I will use 'believer' for a true believer of Christ as described in Acts and 'Christian' for a person who was raised in Christianity but did not accept Jesus as personal savior, etc.), but do not repent of your new sins, does this mean you still go to heaven? If so, then what's the point of being obedient? Try this one, if you (by the way, 'you' is meant strictly in a general sense) are a believer, but refuse to repent of, say, an adulterous affair ("I'm guilty but it feels too good to leave" type of thing), does this mean you stop being a believer? I personally don't think so, I think it means you've lost your way, or "fallen off the path," and need to get right with the Lord. Basically, I'm saying that repenting of past sins when you become a bliever doesn't cover the new sins after you've accepted Christ. It means that you now acknowledge that sin is, well, sin, and needs to be repented. You don't stop being a believer because you've sinned, but you do keep yourself from God by not repenting of your ways. A final way of looking at it: by saying a person will always go to heaven once they become a believer means lukewarm people also go. But doesn't God despise these (Rev 3:16)? Note, I avoid the word 'forgiveness' because it doesn't necessarily mean that you've adjusted your ways. 'Repent,' however, does. | ||||||
35 | I know God is all knowing | Is 55:8 | roviear | 19364 | ||
Sorry, had to step away for a second. About the second part of your question: what part did God not say? Answer: none, He said it all, just not directly. God used several authors to interpret His will in the Old Testament. Some say that the New Testament isn't God's Word. But how can one say this when the New Testament is a biography of God the Flesh? So, the whole of the Bible is from God. No, He didn't say, "Paul, write this down, 'Jesus wept'." What He did do was reveal Himself to the authors so that the rest of the world may know Him. As you study the Word, ask your pastor or a mature Christian about the portions that you do not understand. This forum is a good place to ask as well. Also, research the internet as other websites exist that provide bible studies online. Just remember, even the most mature Christians are discovering new truths as they read and study the Word. | ||||||
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