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21 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211139 | ||
Hello Newwine, Thank you for your thoughts. If you've read some of the posts on this tread you will notice that Brad and Hank have asked me to stop this circular banter. I told them I would, however there was some spillage with WOS. If you care to, just read what I have concluded with my last post to WOS just a few minutes ago. I will say that God has given us each our own level of understanding and that is why we differ and always will. God Bless, Pete |
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22 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211138 | ||
Dear WOS, Thank you for your long dissertation. I'm beginning to see the pattern with most people. They will read something they like and take it word for word, but then when they read something they don't like, they find a way to spin it to mean something other than what it says. I would venture to speculate that this is the reason why we have an inordinate amount of differnt religions. God has given each and every one of us our own level of reasoning and rationale and I am beginning to realize that I shouldn't be trying to convince anyone one way or the other. Oh well, it was nice chatting with you WOS. One last thought though, as I was laying in bed last night trying to sleep, I wondered why God had issued hundreds of rules, commands and laws of which many were misdemeanor at best. In the first five books of the bible God laid down a host of principles. For example a woman shall not wear the clothes of a man, death to a homosexual, death for breaking the sabbath, death to one who comits adultery, a woman is unclean for two weeks after giving birth to a girl, a list of clean and unclean foods, eating pork is an abomination as well as many others, all of which have very little impact on anyone if violated. YET, on one of the most serious of all social evils when abused, nowhere does God say, THOU SHALT NOT DRINK STRONG DRINK! It seems fruitless to continue because I will never see it from your point of view and I know you will never see it from my point of view. There are many situations in life that destroy innocent lives but we keep doing it, why, because we want to. Tsunamis kill thousands, yet people still choose to live near the sea, airplane crashes take many innocent lives, yet most of us still choose to fly, automobile accidents kill thousands of people each year, yet we still choose to own our vehicles, why, because we want to. The abuse of alcohol destroys many many lives yet we still choose to drink, why, because we want to. There is no command from God not to. I will not put words into God's mouth to make it appear that He said something He did not. God gave us the vineyards for wine and the grain fields for beer and strong drink. I will exercise and promote prudence and responsibility as I enjoy what God has given. Thank WOS for your kind banter with me on this. I wish you well. God bless you. Pete |
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23 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211109 | ||
Dear WOS, I promised Hank and Brad that I would discontinue the circular banter on drinking, but let me just say again, I do not nor am I promoting excess or overindulgence. Drinking a little wine or strong drink no more makes a person a drunkard than kinky sex with one's wife makes that person a sexual deviant. Both are gifts from God and if I subscribe to your way of thinking simply because of the way you feel about your previous drinking habits, then I must stop having fun with my wife for it may drive me to become a pervert. Anyway, that's my last thought on drinking since I did agree to quit that banter. However, I do have something to ask you as I am reading the book of Matthew. With regards to your question, "My contention is this, does what you do glorify God when you are also instructed through His Word to offer yourself as a living sacrifice? (Romans 12:1)", I ask are you glorifying God as Jesus commanded in Matthew 19:21, "...If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven..." On that same subject I found similar instructions in Mark 10:21-23, Luke 12:33 and 18:22. Sell all that you have and give to the poor. Are you, Mr. WOS offering yourself as a living sacrifice? In your own words, "Yes, we are not to change what God commands, but we need be careful not to ignore what God in His wisdom has revealed to us throughout scripture, even to the point it makes us feel uneasy. We can’t pick and choose that which supports a particular position of ours and disregard that which doesn’t. It’s all God’s Word friend and every bit of it is to be taken into consideration." Mr. WOS, if you haven't sold everything you own, given to the poor, taken up your cross and followed Jesus then your are guilty of the very thing you accuse me of. As I judge no one but myself, I believe the perfect will of God is to enjoy the gifts He created for us. Speaking the truth in love, Pete ps I don't mean to sound harsh or disrespectful, please forgive if I have, but please help me to understand where I am wrong. |
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24 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211092 | ||
Hello Written, Thank you for your kind words. Ever since I was a little boy I had a remarkable kindness towards others. I was a good athlete so I was never bullied and I never bullied anyone. I had and I still have a wonderful empathy towards others. Even in my business career as an adult, I am a straight shooter. I have been very successful as my blessings have been abundant. My pastor told me once as God spoke in 1 John 3:4-9, whoever is born of God cannot sin. Well, I do believe strongly that I am born of God. You ask if I see myself committing sin, I say yes, but it is sin only to those who judge incorrectly. In my own eyes I see clearly. As 1 John 5:18, whoever is born of God cannot be touched by the wicked one. If I offend anyone, I am deeply sorry. I do not mean to insult or hurt anybody. If I am unwelcomed because I speak the truth as my eyes see it, then I ask for your forgiveness. Thank you for your kind words. Pete |
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25 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211091 | ||
Yes Brad, I will cease this circular chatter as brother Hank has advised. Pete |
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26 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211087 | ||
Okay Hank, I will cease the circular chatter. I will continue my reading of the New Testament. Thank you, Pete |
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27 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211086 | ||
Hi Cheri, Everyone seems to think that I am wrong for believing what I believe about drinking strong drink, yet no has shown where God explicitly forbids it. On the other hand I have found that God gave it as a gift for mankind. He only forbids the excessive use of intoxicating drinks. When I read those passages in context, I can't help but conclude that I am honoring God when I enjoy the fruits of His creation. Pete |
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28 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211084 | ||
Quite the contrary, The clear teachings of the scripture authorizes the enjoyment of strong drink. In fact it is a command from God. I do marvel at God's handiwork with and without enhancement. Can you answer the question, why would God sanction the intake of wine and strong drink if He intended them to be not be enjoyed? I don't understand how you can read Deut 14:26 and Ecc 9:7 and not accept what God says? Pete |
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29 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211081 | ||
Dear Cheri, Don't be sorry, you did not blow it for me. Thank you for continuing our dialogue. Am I correct about your instruction that if I am too far away from the church I belong too, I must go to the closest church down the street and give my tithes to them, the wrong church? Pete |
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30 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211080 | ||
Dear WOS, Thank you for your welcome words. Yes I will continue to study God's word as it has already freed me from unwarranted guilt. It is a wonderful feeling. When one embraces and follows a command from God, don't you think it is the ultimate glorification of His majesty? After a hard day's work I come home and enjoy my drink with my dinner, I gaze out at the sunset and I remember what God says in Ecc 9:7, "Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God accepteth thy works." How much better can I glorify my God? I can't help but feel God's blessings all around me. Remember, God says not to change what He has commanded. If I subscribe to your way of thinking then I will be guilty of ignoring His wisdom. Yes you are correct regarding the evil of excess, but that applies to practically everything. If you drink too much water it is bad for you, if you eat too much food it is bad for you, if you overwork your body it is bad for you, if you focus too much on the acquisition of money it is bad for you. From all indications God does not forbid strong drink, He just forbids the overindulgence of it. I'm not sure what your meaning is with 1 Cor 6:12, but isn't there a verse in the NT that says "let no man judge you in meat or drink?" Aren't you guilty of not only going against God's command to drink strong drink, but judging those who do? Pete |
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31 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211077 | ||
Hi John, With all due respect, I did not fabricate God's command to drink strong drink. If you think I am wrong then you are calling God's command into question because don't children who can read these words can also read Deut. 14:26? Pete |
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32 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211076 | ||
Dear John, I'm sure the NT will fill me with more light on what my pastor is trying to say and that is why I have already started my readings. I am a third or so through Matthew and already have some questions, but let me answer your last posting. I do not get drunk with wine or strong drink. I am not a thief, covetous, reviler or swindler. I have never been and never will be a drunkard. When I drink my wine or margarita with my dinner I enjoy a buzz that relaxes me and allows me to feel the goodness of God's blessings. It is a wonderful euphoria to behold the majesty of God's creation. In your paragraph where you said most bible scholars believe the "strong drink" mentioned in Dt 14:26 is to be taken with the food they were eating as was available and customary, then you have validated my use of strong drink with my meals. Thank you, Pete |
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33 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211050 | ||
Yes Cheri, I have already started reading the first chapter of Matthew. Thank you for that advice. Pete |
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34 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211049 | ||
Hi Cheri, What do you mean carrying on? Are you saying that I am incorrectly reading the bible? All scripture is given by God and if I have some questions why do you consider it carrying on? Please tell me. There is no one I want to kill and I don't believe I will ever want to kill anyone, but there is one thing I do enjoy now and then, drinking wine and strong drink. My pastor says that I should not drink at all, but God gives me permission to even use my tithe money to do so. I'm not excessive at all but I do enjoy a buzz two or three times a week. Why should I not obey God's word? Pete |
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35 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211040 | ||
Dear CDBJ, I will be shifting my reading to the New Testament starting with Matthew. Thank you for your advice. Pete |
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36 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211039 | ||
Dear John, Thank you for your advice. I will stop my reading of the bible in Deuteronomy and go to the New Testament. By the way, what does pedantic mean in bible study? Also I don't understand how it is that I should learn if I don't read and ask questions. I'm shocked that you feel I am pestering my pastor. How do you suggest that I should learn? God Bless, Pete |
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37 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211037 | ||
Cheri, My pastor also told me that we must obey God rather than man. He said that is also God's word. Are you saying that I must obey the law of the land instead of God? Pete |
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38 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211032 | ||
Keliy, You said, "...but God's Word is unchanging and can be discerned..." This is what troubles me, my pastor tells me the same thing, but when I asked him about discerning God's word regarding tithe money to buy strong drink (Deut 14:26) and killing your brother if he should want to lead you away from God (Deut 13:10), he contradicts God and violates Deut 12:32, "Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." He tells me not to drink strong drink, much less use my tithe money to buy any and by no means should I even consider killing anyone who might want to talk me out of loving God. I do agree with you that 2 Tim 3:16-17 is a valuable passage, and this is why I am troubled, how am I to follow God's words without changing some of them like my pastor teaches? Pete |
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39 | Kill your brother and drink strong drink | James 2:10 | petedavis6263 | 211028 | ||
Shalom Cheri, As you say ..." it's talking about someone who comes in as one of your own and by his/her wiles leads you astray before you even know what has happened." Then is it true what Deut13:10 says, you must kill that person? Pete |
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