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21 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 94296 | ||
Hi Dad- Thanks for bringing in some concrete examples here of the blatant heresies which have been taught in WOF. These quotes speak volumes that many leaders of WOF are teaching non-Biblical things. I would suspect you are going to get some responses that these are not quotes from WOF teachers. Love, Figgy |
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22 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 93927 | ||
Hi Gracefull- I think we have come full circle in our discussion. I would have to go back to my first or second note to you in which it seems to me that you do not represent the WOF movement as I have seen it represented by many others (including a few on this forum, and the leaders of it - Copeland, Hagin, Hinn). Perhaps you and I have more common ground than originally suspected regardless of my views on WOF. God Bless! Figgy |
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23 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 93914 | ||
I should clarify my sentence: I said originally "God is sovereign and can and will DO ANYTHING that he pleases regardless of our actions. We cannot control Him (however Biblical our desires may be) through any type of "personal faith development" (ie formulas)." What I meant by this was that often times we may think with all of hearts that what we desire (whatever it may be) is God's will for us. However, it may NOT BE God's will for us and no amount of faith will move him if it is not His will. I am in whole hearted agreement with you that God does not contradict himself. Yes - GOD IS FAITHFUL! He does not break his promises. I am sorry if I somehow conveyed the message that I believe otherwise. -Figgy |
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24 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 93889 | ||
Dear LDS and Gracefull- I am posting a link to a powerful testimony written by a woman who was once involved in the WOF movement. It is an illustration that real pain is the ultimate end to these false teachings on faith. I found it extremely compelling. I am not really interested in striking up a more heated debate. I would just encourage you to read it if you so choose. God Bless! http://www.banner.org.uk/wof/mytest.html |
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25 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 93888 | ||
Hi EdB- I have been encouraged by your kind notes. This forum is forcing to me to think - ouch! :) -Figgy |
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26 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 93843 | ||
Hi Gracefull- I wish I had the time to truly delve into this. However, with a one and a half year old trying to "help" mommy everytime I sit down at the computer, please forgive me for not being able to address each point that you make. Any omission on my part is not intended to ignore what you have taken precious time and thought to write. Here is the bottom line as I see it - God is sovereign and can and will DO ANYTHING that he pleases regardless of our actions. We cannot control Him (however Biblical our desires may be) through any type of "personal faith development" (ie formulas). Yes, faith is very important in the life of a christian. We are to pray without ceasing. My faith is in knowing that God will answer my prayers in His time and in the manner that is best. However, from what I have read and seen regarding the WOF beliefs, faith is likened to some force that is used to move God. This can become very problematic when one tries to move God to some action with all the faith they can muster and God does not move. According to WOF, the logical conclusion is that the person must not have enough faith. Again, where does the sovereignty of God come into the picture? I am sooooo thankful that He has not said yes to everything I have prayed for in my lifetime! He is all knowing and all wise and my faith is placed in HIS wisdom. The Bible says "My God shall supply all my needs according to His riches and glory by Christ Jesus" (Phil 4:19) There is no condition for x amount of faith here. If we trust in God he provides for our needs. How awesome and yet so simple is that?? I feel no pressure to have a CERTAIN amount of faith and I am totally confidant that He will provide. As an aside, you mentioned something about the laying on of hands to heal. My impression of your statment is that it is a requirement for healing. If you believe this - how is that scriptural? Is God limited to what He can do by our actions? Gracefull, it can be challenging having a debate via an email. Please know that everything I say is with a tone unintended to offend. I simply challenge you to truly examine WOF beliefs in light of the inerrant Word of God. In Him, Figgy |
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27 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 93748 | ||
Radioman- Thanks for posting this article. It confirmed what I had believed to be the WOF beliefs and roots. Gracefull's note to my post, based on my perception, does not seem to represent the WOF movement for what is truly is and what they believe. I would be interested in seeing his/her's opinion of what you just sent me. God Bless! Figgy |
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28 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 93649 | ||
Dear Gracefull, Thanks for your post. I have read it and re-read several times in an attempt to truly understand your representation of the WOF beliefs. There are a few points to address later. However, I really am striving to understand how it is that WOF teachers tell people that if they are not healed in some way (lets use physically as an example) than they must not have enough faith. Do you believe this to be true? It may sound like a simplistic question to your well articulated post but I must use this as a starting point in understanding what it is that WOF teaches if I am to examine my own assumptions. Thanks! --Figgy |
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29 | A FALSE TEACHING? Yes / No | Matt 8:5 | figgy | 93411 | ||
This is my first post on the forum. I usually just read through the various discussions choosing to be more of an observer than a partcipant. However, this particular post left me stunned due to the sheer harsh tone and intellectual dishonesty. You say "I know what the Word says". Do you know that the Word says Christ is not a means to our own end (i.e health, wealth, and happiness, etc) but IS the end?-- Phil 3:7-8. Praise God that you are currently experiencing health, wealth, and happiness in your life. However, these are not guarantees for those in Christ Jesus. Read Hebrews Chapter 11. These men of GREAT faith, more faith than any of us could ever imagine, suffered torture, poverty, prison, etc. These men are the examples for us! Their lives were clearly not reflections of wealth and health. We serve a God who loves us and blesses us as HE sees fit, not as we see fit. If I am sick, I will pray for a healing according to His will. If I am broke, I will pray for my needs to be met according to His will. He is faithful and my faith is renewed each time I see His provision in my life. Christ commands us in John 6:27 "do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life..." As believers, our focus should be on advancing the Kingdom of God at whatever cost to us - be it our finances, our health, and even our own lives. I am thankful each day for the food on my table, the roof over my head, and my excellent health. I attribute all of this to God's blessing and not because I attained it through conjuring up some amount of faith that prompts God to move in my life. That would certainly be a heavy burden to carry. Christ came to remove our burden, not add to it. |
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