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21 | By What Law | Rom 3:23 | Vintage68 | 217331 | ||
But Doc, the context of the vs'. you cited, (Matt.13:14,15) are referring to the Jews, of that time, and why they were being spoken to in parables. These vs' are not referring to anyone else after them at all as you suppose. Especially those who are living today. This was Jesus direct answer to a question He was asked by the disciples, about the Jews. If you would take note in vs. 14 it says (Brackets have been added) ( "In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled ), which says, You will keep on hearing, but will not understand; You will keep on seeing, but will not perceive. Then in vs. 15 it says ( For the heart of this people has become dull ), with their ears they scarcely hear, and they have closed their eyes, otherwise they would see with their eyes, hear with their ears, and understand with their heart and return and I would heal them. Vintage68 |
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22 | Lying is a sin. Rahab did it for the en, | James 2:25 | Vintage68 | 216954 | ||
Hi Doc You say, 'In theology this is an area called ethics. The notion of setting aside one command in order to achieve a greater good is called the teleological suspension of the ethical." Within this theological model, is it inclusive of all people? Or do we only consider those that are within the theological understanding of the theories put forth. In other words, are there people included within this model that do not have the spiritual capacity to understand spiritual truth, (Unsaved)? you say, "For example, we are commanded to obey the laws of the land." While this is true, Rahab was not in the position, of deciding whether to follow Mans' or Gods' command, such as the Apostle were. As far as Rahab was concerned, in the situation she found herself, I think she perfectly fits the "Machiavellian principle of "the end justifies the means." The fact that God in His Sovereignty used her to save the lives of the spies, she was unaware of, in her mind she was only thinking of herself, and what she could do to benefit herself and her family. I am of the belief that the society she lived in, was an "A" Moral society. The Canaanites were not a righteous people. So the "LIE" she told fell on deaf ears. My point is that she was not under the same law the Jews were. "No Law No Sin." But the fact remains that God revealed to this woman, something that nobody else in the entire city of Jericho understood. He did it for the express purpose of saving the lives of the spies, God has proven time and again that He will use any vessel at hand. In doing so, God helped her fulfill the law for her, thus becoming Righteous in His sight. She put her faith in the spies, that what they had promised was true, so her Faith then coupled with her works. She therefore unwittingly fulfilled Matthew 22:39 and Matthew 7:12 Vintage68 |
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23 | Lying is a sin. Rahab did it for the en, | James 2:25 | Vintage68 | 216947 | ||
Hi Doc Will you still love me if I said thank you but no thank you. Since it is of interest to you, look at my new and improved profile. Should answer a lot of questions you might have, or it might do just the opposite, causing you to have a few more. Vintage68 |
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24 | In search of the truth | NT general | Vintage68 | 216900 | ||
Hi Doc. "All of those activities of the church specifically prescribed in Scripture are called a "means of grace." In other words, they are activities by which God has promised and decreed (by positive and sovereign institution) to channel His grace." This statement of yours, is it in truth, what all of the Religions (Christendom) believe? Are there scriptures for backing up these claims? Or is it in effect the doctrine of Reformed Theology? "Consequently, we cannot state that something "happens" when a believer is Baptized. Instead, it reflects something that has already "happened" spiritually in regeneration." Again you make a very sweeping statement, as though it is truth. Isn't this again, the interpretation of Reformed Theology? Where is it found in scripture, (baptism), "reflects something that has already "happened" spiritually in regeneration." If I am understanding you correctly, you have interchanged the word (regeneration) for the word (salvation) if I am correct in my assumption, where is this found in scripture, that they are in actuality the same event? "It is "to be unto the party baptized, a sign of his fellowship with Him [Christ], in His death and resurrection; of his being engrafted into Him; of remission of sins; and of giving up into God, through Jesus Christ, to live and walk in newness of life." If it is only a "sign" as you say, is it therefore only a symbolic gesture on the part of the believer, that nothing actually happens when baptism takes place? Is baptism merely a means by which the believer has fellowship with Christ, this fellowship being the symbolic identification with the death and resurrection of Christ? If believers really don't die to the flesh, how then does engrafting actually take place if baptism is only a sign (symbolic)? How is it possible for the believer to "live and walk in newness of life" if the whole baptismal experience is only a symbolic gesture? Vintage68 |
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25 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | Vintage68 | 216854 | ||
Hi Doc Then you have in your own inimitable fashion, answered in one fell swoop, all of the different beliefs about the rapture, when you say. "Nothing in Scripture ever means something other than what it meant when it was penned." Do you mean like this? Matt.24:34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. This truly of His then, really was a truly? Not a maybe these things will happen before this generation pass away. This verse should be kept within the context of the whole chapter though. Thanks for the clarification. Vintage68 |
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26 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | Vintage68 | 216849 | ||
Hi lionheart Sorry about that, the rt on the screen looked like a ( d ) through my crumby glasses;-( Vintage68 |
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27 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | Vintage68 | 216848 | ||
Hi Lionhead That isn't quite the context as to what that verse is saying is it? The aforetime mentioned, was aforetime to the one writing, referring to the "hope". While it is true we can have the same "hope", because we can read the same things they did. So which one is Thess. written to, them or us? If it's to them, what do we learn from it, in relation to the hope Rom.15. was speaking about? If it's to us, why did they need it? Vintage68 |
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28 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | Vintage68 | 216844 | ||
Hi CDBJ A few questions for clarification. Why would it have been necessary, and of the utmost importance for Paul, and Peter to have these things understood by the Thessalonians? Were they at the center of the universe, as far as the Christendom was concerned? My point is, why is it so important for "them" to know just how these things are going to take place, if it is "US" who these things will be happening to? Both Paul, and Peter "neglect" to tell the Thessalonians, that these things are not for them personally, but for us 2000 yrs. in the future. Wouldn't that be instilling fear in the hearts of men? But then on the other hand, Jesus Himself did say in. Matt.24:34 Verily I say unto you, (This generation) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. brackets are mine If these things are for us then why wouldn't there have been a prophesy to us (the church) the same as Daniel was to the Jews. Vintage68 |
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29 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | Vintage68 | 216817 | ||
Hi John -- Thank you! Your question: "Implying that somethings need to be accomplished before the Rapture can happen. I cant say for sure of course and I don't believe for a moment that anyone else can either, but I don't believe there are. :-)" Your question, kind of drags it pack out on the field of speculation. It stands to reason, at least to me, if everything was accomplished, we would not be here:-) Everything Jesus needed to do is finished, as he said. But time is marching on until the time of the end. As you have said, we just don't know. I concur on your non - belief of the single event. Vintage68 |
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30 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | Vintage68 | 216814 | ||
HI CDBJ I reiterate. Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. With this now in mind, what makes you think, you will find in scripture where it says (when) he will return? Do you think there is scripture that tells us these things, so we can figure it all out before hand? If so, why do we have 3 different viewpoints? Wouldn't that be kind of counter productive for God to tell us that we wouldn't know, then give us all of the information so we could then know? Gods Elect will definitely know that the time is close, God will make sure when we should have the information, there won't be doubt, that is what we have now DOUBT. Where we are today, is no different than what has been happening for the last 2000 yrs. don't you think that people asked the same questions as the Spanish Inquisition was taking place? Aren't there a lot of events that need to be accomplished before the rapture? Are they happening? In answer to your question "When the Scripture says "the day or the hour" that is being relatively close don’t you think; how about the times and the seasons, that leaves us an approximation?" Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. First it says, (YE,YOU) know not the hour. That does mean us doesn't it? Then there is this. Matthew 24:40,41 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. One man, and one woman were saved weren't they, apparently they didn't know the hour. Then in Daniel it says. Daniel 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: Therefore, Can you depend on the (times) or the (seasons)? Vintage68 |
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31 | Why do we delay baptism, not His Supper? | Bible general Archive 4 | Vintage68 | 216778 | ||
Hi Searcher56 Are you of the opinion that the Church in general delays baptism? The biggest reason I have seen personally, would be to have a big Baptismal Service, with a lot of people being Baptized, like on an Easter Sunday, it makes it special for the person being baptized. But the reason for these types of services taking place, usually about 6 mo. apart would probably be for the economic reason of the cost to fill the pool. Other than that, your guess is as good as min. Vintage68 |
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32 | Why do we delay baptism, not His Supper? | Bible general Archive 4 | Vintage68 | 216774 | ||
Hi justme Jesus Himself declares what the purpose of baptism is for. John 3:1-9 Nowhere within the recitation to Nicodemus, does Jesus mention either inclusion or exclusion within the body. The account of the communion of Christ, by Paul does not say anything about the inclusion, or the excluding of anyone on account of baptism. 1Cor. 11:17-34 but in the middle of these verses. Paul says in vs. 29 "For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body." It could be asked therefore, does someone that has not been baptized, have any reservations for not doing so? It might be advisable then, whenever having a communion service, to read these verses in 1 Cor. letting everyone decide, with particular emphasis placed upon verse 29 and the consequences. Vintage68 |
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33 | Obey your leaders ? | Acts 5:29 | Vintage68 | 216743 | ||
Hi grafted in Since the other day, having asked the question, I have come to the understanding that, it's not who is in the office, KING, PRESIDENT, DOG CATCHER. These categories cover the past, and the present. They also cover the highest, and what some might consider the lowest of offices. What it all comes down to, is the authority they have. We may not like the person in said office, we may not think the office is of any importance, but whatever this office might be, if this office has ANY Authority at all, then we should honor the office itself, by giving respect, and due benevolence to the person holding that office. The other part of the question, was about the leaders in the church. From what Rollf has said, and from further study, I have come to the same conclusion that the Heb 13:17 scripture Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. These people have also been given authority, for the purpose of ruling, within the house of God, they "Must give account" for how they have watched over our souls. How far are we to allow any abuses go within the Church, before rebelling? Our only position then is to submit to the ruling power, whether to King, or to the rulers of the church. 1 pet.2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: Whether the person obtains the position by birth rite, as a king might, or an appointment by said king, or through election by the people. They have all been put into that position by God for His purpose. For all authority belongs to God, He gives it to whom he wills. They all fall into the category spoken of in Rom 13:1 Vintage68 |
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34 | Obey your leaders ? | Acts 5:29 | Vintage68 | 216651 | ||
Hi GI: Yeah I guess your right I did think, your note was self-explanatory, but I wasn't asking for people, to give their personal views on the political scene we have today. That goes against the terms of use, that we all agreed to when we joined the forum. You raised the point of the Christians having kings and their appointed entourage. I was just asking you for the bible references. But you can forgo answering, I see that it bothers you. By the way did you read the original question at all? If so did I word it in such a way, that it was hard for you to understand, seems I have a way of doing that sorry, please forgive me:-( Vintage68 |
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35 | Obey your leaders ? | Acts 5:29 | Vintage68 | 216645 | ||
Hi grafted in: When you say "But we must remember that the early christians were kind of stuck with their kings and his appointed entourage." Where were these Christians, who were the Kings they were stuck with? Is there scripture? Aren't we stuck with our leaders in the same way? If they had really disagreed with the Kings, couldn't they have rebelled? Set up their own kingdom, or at least gone to some other kingdom? Vintage68 |
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36 | and you will be like God | Gen 3:5 | Vintage68 | 216588 | ||
Hi John Yes John, thank you for the bible lesson, but doesn't it also say. Gen 2: 7, 15, 18 - 23 7.) And the LORD God formed ("MAN") (of the dust of the ground), (and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;) and (man became a living soul.) 15.) And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. 18.) And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; (I will make him an help meet for him.) 19.) And (OUT OF THE GROUND the LORD God formed every beast of the field), and (every fowl of the air; and (brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them:) and (whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.) 20.) And (Adam gave names to all cattle), and (to the fowl of the air), and (to every beast of the field); (but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.) 21.) And (the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept:) (and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;) 22.) (AND THE RIB), (which the LORD God had taken from man), (MADE HE A WOMAN, and (brought her unto the man.) 23.) (AND ADAM SAID), (THIS IS NOW BONE OF MY BONES), (AND FLESH OF MY FLESH:) (SHE SHALL BE CALLED WOMAN), ((BECAUSE SHE WAS TAKEN OUT OF MAN.)) I have taken the liberty of adding the brackets for clarification. I have capitalized for emphasis of the words, so don't think I'm yelling. Man was created OUTSIDE the Garden, Woman, and everything else was created INSIDE the Garden I don't know if you noticed, but the beast of the field, and the fowls of the air, were all made from the ground, as Adam was. But Eve was made from the rib, that God took out of Adam. In looking back at verse 7 you will see, ("and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;and man became a living soul.") We don't see that taking place with Eve. Do we? Does it say she is a living soul also? I don't care to speculate on that question. Now as we all know, God is sovereign, so he can do anything he pleases on this earth can't he. I see she was taken out of MAN as the bible states, that makes her in the image OF MAN. Man was created for fellowship with God. Woman was created for fellowship with Man. You seem to be taking the scripture that is in Gen. 1:27 which seems to be the (General Accounting) as to the creation story, which by the way I am not disputing, "GOD CREATED MAN, AND WOMAN." But to take it a step further in Gen. 2 we see what could be called, the actual (Creation Process.) 1.) Who was created, 2) What was created, 3.) When were they created,4.) Where were they created 5.) Why were they created, 6.) How were they created. Vintage68 |
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37 | and you will be like God | Gen 3:5 | Vintage68 | 216578 | ||
Hi Flinkywood As Doc has so aptly stated, "Such questions cannot be answered from Scripture." I therefore offer up to you this, my speculation on the matter. Satan starts the temptation of Eve with the statement. "You shall not surly die" that is the seed of DOUBT, doubting God at his word. People have been led into all kinds of sins by just doubting that God said - - DON'T. Eve saw the tree was good for food, and pleasant to the eyes. That was a DESIRE for something forbidden. People have an innate nature towards the forbidden. You might say Eve was created in the image of God, but she wasn't she was created in the image of "MAN". Haven't you ever asked yourself why did Satan tempt Eve, instead of Adam? Adam wasn't tempted, he just gave his authority to Eve, and ate. If Eve was PERFECT, then she could not have been tempted any more than Jesus was. Jesus "WAS" PERFECT and when he was tempted he overcame. Augustine, wasn't as perceptive as one might think, if he wasn't aware of the possibility for two other sins as a potential cause. So how can one definitively say it comes down to self-love to the point of contempt for God? Vintage68 |
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38 | Do you think there are any churches that | NT general | Vintage68 | 216379 | ||
Hi MJH Would you be so kind as to supply a definition of ( anagronisims ) it looks like one of those words that would have a very interesting definition. I would like to put it in my word file, on the off chance I might have an occasion to use it. Vintage68 |
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39 | Do you think there are any churches that | NT general | Vintage68 | 216364 | ||
Hi John With the question being: "Do you think there are any churches that are the most like the early church of Jerusalem?" Do you really think a Messianic Fellowship would not have more of a chance to be closer in it's worship services, to what would have been in Jerusalem as the first church, seeing that it was, a Jewish Messianic fellowship itself, rather than the regular denominational churches of today? We, the churches of today, follow more of the Paulene pattern of worship don't we? These churches were almost devoid of Jews, with the exception of the Judaizers, that only came to disrupt. When all that is being talked about is appearance, mode of operation, not doctrinal differences. But you are right, "Otherwise we would just fallow the pattern and be far too comfortable, not ever taking a close look at the heart of the matter of our worship." We wouldn't want that to happen. Vintage68 |
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40 | understanding of these verses? | Jeremiah | Vintage68 | 216347 | ||
Hi John Thanks for the time I will keep looking:-) Vintage68 |
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