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21 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82744 | ||
No, I deny that Jesus is God Almighty! | ||||||
22 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82745 | ||
You quote John 5:21-24, and I agree wholeheartedly with that inspired state,emt. I do honor the Son, just as I honoer the Father, He is my Lord, savior and redeemer! | ||||||
23 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82746 | ||
You quote John 5:21-24, and I agree wholeheartedly with that inspired state,emt. I do honor the Son, just as I honoer the Father, He is my Lord, savior and redeemer! | ||||||
24 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82747 | ||
The Gentile Times ended in 1914, and the Lord is reigning, so "NO", I don't believe he was a false prophet based on your conclusions. | ||||||
25 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82748 | ||
The Gentile Times ended in 1914, and the Lord is reigning, so "NO", I don't believe he was a false prophet based on your conclusions. | ||||||
26 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82757 | ||
Can you give a reference? | ||||||
27 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82772 | ||
Actually the original quote you gave me is not the reference you now give above, but that's okay, I can live with that! As to 1914 being a crucial date? It may be to the Jehovah's Witnesses today, but it was not to Russell in his day. You see what Russell believed was to ccur what the Witnesses now believe occurred are apples and oranges. Did Russell make a mistake? Yes, not in his calculations but in the turn of events that were to happen and in what order. In his foreword to his study on chronology "The Time is at hand" he stated: "This Volume makes no claim to infallibility, and no claim of any direct inspiration from God in the interpretation of His Word. On the contrary, it does claim that the Divine Revelation is the Bible. Its endeavor has been to collate the Bible evidences and to offer suggestions in respect to their significance. "Dealing with subjects so difficult that they are rarely touched by others, it is not to be considered strange if some of the suggestions made in this Volume have not been fulfilled with absolute accuracy to the very letter. But the author, the publishers, and the thousands of readers of this Volume are not ashamed of its presentations, and are still handing it forth to all who have an interest in Bible study-- as most interesting and most helpful in an understanding of the Lord's Word." Continung on in his beliefs in regrads to the year 1914 he states: "This Volume sets forth, what its author has been preaching for over forty years, that the "Times of the Gentiles" chronologically ended in the fall of A.D. 1914. The expression, "Times of the Gentiles," in Bible usage signifies the years, or period of time, in which the Gentile nations of the world were to be permitted to have control, following the taking away of the typical kingdom from natural Israel, and filling the hiatus between that event and the establishment of God's Kingdom in the hands of Messiah-- "whose right it is." Ezekiel 21:27 "We could not, of course, know in 1889, whether the date 1914, so clearly marked in the Bible as the end of the Gentile lease of power or permission to rule the world, would mean that they would be fully out of power at that time, or whether, their lease expiring, their eviction would begin. The latter we perceive to be the Lord's program; and promptly in August, 1914, the Gentile kingdoms referred to in the prophecy began the present great struggle, which, according to the Bible, will culminate in the complete overthrow of all human government, opening the way for the full establishment of the Kingdom of God's dear Son." Today looking back that we can se that much of what Russell taught in that little volume and subsequent ones diod in deed have a fulfillment, most after his death? All of Christedom believe that someday the Kingdom of God will replace the kingdoms of this world, this is what the scriptures tell us as Messiah reigns. Was Russell a false prophet? Not at all, at least not by the scriptural definition, he did not prophecy, he simply attemptred to interpret prophecies already stated in scripture. he erred and recognized that and admitted as such. RR |
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28 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82785 | ||
Perhaps you should keep digging, maybe you'll find such an admission. Until then, we can agree to disagree! | ||||||
29 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82808 | ||
Let me just say that befoe the Kingdom can be fully established, the old system must be destroyed, this is a gradual work. | ||||||
30 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82823 | ||
No, the Jewish system of things was destroyed in 70 AD, Matthew 24 has a double application to the end times of the gospel age. | ||||||
31 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82929 | ||
Hmmmm ... can you share with me one comment from the pen of Russell that Jesus returned in 1914? I'd like to see that! | ||||||
32 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82936 | ||
Sorry, nothing in those quotes you gave say anything about Jesus second advent beginnning in 1914. Let me ask, how can you refute what you yourself don't even know? This is truly a case of the blind leading the blind! | ||||||
33 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 82974 | ||
As I have stated a dozen or so times on this subject, what the Jehovah's WItnesss believe an what Russell believed are apples and oranges. Russell never taught the second advent took place in 1914. | ||||||
34 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 83135 | ||
Well then you will go through life with the wrong information, spreading lies. I think you should re-reseach your information. | ||||||
35 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 83210 | ||
Dear friend, first of all, the name of the book is called "The Time is at Hand" and it was originally published in 1889. The page number you reference is on the chapter "The Times of the Gentiles" this chapter is NOT about the Lord's second advent. It is about the time when God will turn his anger against the kingdoms of this world and destroy them to replace them with Christ's Kingdom. Now follw me S L O W L Y ... okay? Russell NEVER and I repeat NEVER taugfht that the Lord's second advent began in 1914, that is a Jehovah's Witness teaching, NOT a Russell teaching. Do not confused the "gentiles times" with the "Lord's second Advent" these are two separate subjects. |
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36 | Verification on Charles Taze Russell | Col 2:9 | RR144 | 83221 | ||
sigh... okay ... then let me leave you with this: "We understand these words to imply that in the time of the Lord's presence (the present time--since 1874), through this Antichrist system (one of the principal of Satan's agencies for deceiving and controlling the world), as well as through all his other agencies, the devil will make a most desperate resistance to the new order of things about to be established." - Thy Kingdonm Come 1889 - page 360 again on page 364 of the same book: "THE Time is at Hand for the establishment of the Redeemer's Kingdom. This is the concurrent testimony of the foregoing chapters. Nothing intervenes. We are already living in the seventh millennium--since Oct. 1872. The lease of power to the Gentile kingdoms must terminate with the year 1914. The great antitypical Jubilee, the Times of Restitution of all things, had its beginning in the year 1874, when the presence of the great Restorer was also due." In volume four of Studies in the SCriptures he wrote: "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874, A. D. according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it..." - The Battle of Armageddon, 1912 ed., page 621. These are just a few quotes, in which taught and believed to the day he died in 1916 that the second advent of presence of the Lord began in 1874, the Watchtower after the death of Russel continued to this this which can be seen from the following quotes: "No one can properly understand the work of God at this present time who does not realize that since 1874, the time of the Lord’s return in power, there has been a complete change in God’s operations." - "The Watchtower, September 15, 1922, p. 278 "The Scriptures show that his second presence was due in 1874…This proof shows that the Lord has been present since 1874…" - The Watchtower, March 1, 1923, p. 67 "The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 AD. This proof is specifically set out in the booklet entitled Our Lord's Return." - Prophecy, 1929, p. 65, 66 In 1943 the date was officially chnaged by the Jehovah's Witnesses to 1914, in their own words: "It is true that the editor and publisher of Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Second Presence calculated that the "presence" or parousia of the heavenly bridegroom began in the year 1874 C.E. ...In the year 1943 the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society published the book "The Truth Shall Make You Free." In its chapter 11, entitled "The Count of Time" it did away with the insertion of 100 years into the period of the Judges and went according to the oldest and most authentic reading of Acts 13:20, and accepted the spelled-out numbers of the Hebrew Scriptures. This moved forward the end of six thousand years of man's existence into the decade of the 1970's. Naturally this did away with the year 1874 C.E." - God's Kingdom Of A Thousand Years Has Approached. 1973. pp. 206, 209 So as you can see, Russell and his Bible Students believed and taught the second advent began in 1874, the Watchtower and their Jehovah's Witnesses changed the date to 1914. |
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37 | Who are the 144000? Is it literal | Rev 7:4 | RR144 | 82742 | ||
I am a member of the Body of Christ, the Church of God, Church of the firstborn, in other words I'm a Christian. | ||||||
38 | Literally 12,000 from each tribe? | Rev 7:4 | RR144 | 82817 | ||
btw ... it's RR not TR Why is it sound doctrine to believe that the 144,000 of Re 7:4 and Re 14:1 represent the church and not literal Israelites? The reasons (some better than others, but cumulatively strong) are as follows: (1) The very fact that Re 7:4 says "of all the tribes of the children of Israel" is reason to believe that it means something else. We are clearly told in Re 1:1 that this message has been "signified" - put into signs and symbols. This is not a literal book, and very little of it says what it means. (The numbers seem to be literal, but not the words they modify. For instance, there are seven trumpets, but while there really are seven, they are not really trumpets.) (2) Re 7:3 defines the 144,000 as servants of God. Since this was written more than 60 years after the crucifixion, it seems that only Christians would now be called servants. (3) Re 7:4 seems to use "Israel" much as it was used by the Apostle Paul. In Ro 9:6-8 Paul wants it clearly understood that the name rightly belongs not to Abraham’s descendants after the flesh, but to the faith seed. He continues the concept in Ro 11:26, where it is clear that the gentile church is the first part of "all Israel" the part which will turn ungodliness away from the rest of Israel, the fleshly seed, here symbolized by Jacob. It seems no accident that spiritual Israel is here associated with Zion, even as the 144,000 are with the lamb on Zion in Re 14:1. Paul continues this usage in 1Co 10:18, where he found it needful to refer to natural Israel as "Israel after the flesh": knowing that his Corinthian hearers considered themselves "Israel" even though they weren’t "after the flesh" Ga 6:16 carries on the same practice in reverse, where he calls the church "the Israel of God" (Jew and gentile alike), since Israel after the flesh had mostly rejected the gospel. (4) Re 14:1 (in addition to identifying spiritual Israel with Zion as in Ro 11:26) says that the 144,000 have "His name (the Lamb’s) and His Father’s name." (The King James does not so read, but the old manuscripts do.)This again establishes the Christian character development of this group. (5) Re 14:3 gives more pertinent information regarding the 144,000. Only they could learn the "new song" Is it reasonable that the church cannot learn this song? Note also that they are "redeemed from the earth." Now compare this verse with Re 5:9, 10. The lamb redeems the new reigning priesthood (the church) - and, it is again associated with the "new song." (6) In Re 14:4 is a convincing list suggesting the identity of the 144,000. They are not defiled with women (churches) - suggesting that, though they may have been associated with or identified with these "women ‘ " the pollutions did not rub off. They are "virgins" (as in the Wise and Foolish Virgin parable). The symbol of spiritual virginity seems applicable only to Christians who wait for their Bridegroom, not to Israel after the flesh who was married to God! Jer 31:32) These are "followers of the Lamb," ie., disciples. These are firstfruits - a term used clearly in the New Testament only as a symbol of the Church. (1Co 15:23; Jas 1:18) (7) Re 14:5 could be a problem. The church is not "before the throne," but on it. Fortunately this phrase is spurious, not being in the old manuscripts. (8) Lastly, consider the import of the number. Of what consequence would it be to know 144,000 Jews would be faithful to God suddenly at the end of the age? The information seems worthless. However, to know the size of the true church is information of great value - something to spur us on to faithfulness. The "size" of the New Jerusalem (Re 21:10-17) makes use in various ways of the number. Is this an accident? Is it not unusual that as early as Ge 15:13 the number is implied? (400 years of 360 days each equal 144,000 days.) It may even be that the Lord selected the number 40 as the symbol for a complete period of trial because it has 14,400 days. (Many scriptural Numbers appear to have significance only when multiplied by 10 or by 100 or by 1000.) In summary, it is much easier Scripturally to justify 144,000 as the size of the Church than as a number of Jews at the end of the age. Not only are the evidences compelling, but the results have more significance. |
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