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21 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51168 | ||
Look Hank, I'm sorry if I offended you Please forgive me. | ||||||
22 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51170 | ||
You're right, I'll just tone it down then. Thanks for helping me be humble. | ||||||
23 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51174 | ||
"If baptism is not a 'work', then I guess we don't need to 'do' it"! :-) It's a command! From Jesus himself! In Luke 7:30 It says that the Pharisees and lawyers, rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being "not baptized of him. (John) If John's baptism was the counsel of God then what was Jesus baptism in Mark 16:16;Acts2:38; is it the counsel of God also, can we reject it or say it's not necessary for salvation if God commanded us to be baptized? |
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24 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51196 | ||
It is saying that the promised seed would come through Abraham, and that is Christ vs 16 15.Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covernant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is (Christ). 17 And this I say, that the covernant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. simply put it saying nothing would stop Christ from coming into the world, because God promise it would happen! |
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25 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51203 | ||
You say three days, I say one hour! And it started when Ananias went in the house. Let's look at the text: Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord (what wilt thou have me to do)? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, (and it shall be told thee what thou MUST do). The Lord himself told him that he had to obey what Ananias told him he MUST do the same hour! vs17-18; Acts22:10, Jesus told him what he Must do. Acts22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Paul himself said he was told to be baptized and wash away his sins. Is there any importants to him be baptized? Was his sins gone prior to him being told to have them washed away? Did Ananias tell him what Jesus said for him to do or did he make it up himself? In Acts 22:16 tells me that Jesus meant what he said in Mark 16:16, Baptism is very important to him! In Matt 21:23-27 I believe this answers the question on the latter part of Mark 16:16, vs24 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things. vs.25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, FROM HEAVEN; He will say unto us (Why did ye not then believe him?) This verse shows "but he that believeth not shall be damned" Mark 16:16b. Luke 7:29-30 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, JUSTIFIED God, being BAPTIZED with the baptism of John. (Jesus is Greater than John)! vs.30 But the Pharisees and lawyers REJECTED THE COUNSEL OF GOD, AGAINST THEMSELVES, BEING (NOT BAPTIZED OF HIM). We know this is the baptism of repentance, unto the remission of sins. But Mark 16:16 is the Great Commission of Jesus Christ. Now we can see clearly what Jesus is telling men and women to do in this verse, those who will not believe of corse will not be baptized. Belief is connected with being baptized and that cannot be denied! Matt 21:25; Luke 7:29-30. |
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26 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51204 | ||
He did through Ananias! | ||||||
27 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51375 | ||
Third, the Gentile officer was aware that saving truth was embodied in an objective revelation which would issue from a man who had been appointed by God to instruct him. The group therefore was assembled to “hear” the things, i.e., “words,” (cf. 11:14) to be spoken by Peter. Cornelius knew he had received no special message from the angel, detailing the content of what he must do in order to enjoy salvation. He did not surmise that he could capture “spiritual vibes” from the atmosphere in some esoteric fashion. He did not subscribe to the view that he could merely follow the inclinations of his conscience and all would be right (cf. Pr. 14:12; Acts 23:1). This is a powerful truth that legions today, who are searching for answers in every place but the right one, need to learn. Fourth, this centurion acknowledged the sovereignty of Almighty God. He confessed that the Lord had “commanded” certain things to which human beings were amenable, and he was anxious to humbly submit. There are several interesting matters here. 1. “Commanded” translates the Greek term prostasso, literally “to arrange toward,” hence denotes to prescribe, order, or command something (Arndt, 725). In the Greek papyri it is used to depict a decree issued by a sovereign ruler (Moulton , Milligan, 551). 2. The verb is a passive voice form, suggesting that God is the giver of commands, and we humans are the receivers. We are not allowed in the driver’s seat! 3. The term is in the perfect tense, reflecting an action that has occurred already, but the results are abiding. The effect here is this: God had commanded, and his will was to remain inviolate. There would be no disputing it. This was truly an amazing concept for this Gentile to have perceived. Earlier, even Peter had said: “Not so, Lord” (14). Fifth, Cornelius recognized that he could not selectively obey the Lord. “All” was the goal. He said they were present to receive “all things” the Lord had commanded Peter to convey. How many there are today who would be so happy if only God allowed them “multiple choice” obedience. They would gladly believe if only they could dispense with baptism (Mk. 16:16), or else they would be immersed if only they did not have to repent (Acts 2:38). Initially, Naaman the Assyrian was not terribly disturbed about dipping in a river for cleansing from his leprosy, he just faulted the Lord’s location of the ceremony (2 Kgs. 5:12). He needed to learn that deliberate, partial obedience is no obedience! Sixth, the centurion conceded the authority of Peter, an apostle, as a spokesman for deity. He suggested that he and his family were there to hear from Peter the things that God commanded his apostle to tell them. Peter’s words would carry as much weight as if the Lord had spoken to them personally. There are those who labor under the illusion that the “words in red,” in some editions of the Gospel accounts, are of greater significance than what Peter or Paul wrote. I actually have heard members of the church state that they did not agree with Paul on some issues. Such a reckless expression of disrespect! It was no less a person than the Savior himself who said: “He who hears you [apostles] hears me; and he who rejects you [apostles] rejects me; and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me” (Lk. 10:16). Paul declared that the things he wrote represented the “commandment of the Lord” (1 Cor. 14:37). Cornelius’ understanding and disposition, as reflected in this solitary sentence, is stunning indeed. It truly reveals something of the depth of his soul. Are we willing to listen as he teaches us? |
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28 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51377 | ||
I understand her point about time, but my point is from the time Saul heard the gospel to the time he was baptized was the same hour. Yes he met the Lord three day earlyer, but my point was all those who believed after they heard the gospel were baptized the same hour! What I first stated my question it was show me someone who believed the gospel and was not baptized in the same hour? | ||||||
29 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51382 | ||
You ask about Gal 3:15-17, which is the promised seed! Which is Christ! vs.2 is what Paul is addressing: "This only would I learn of you, Recieved ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith (Gospel)? And the verses are talking about the Law of Moses and the faith of Abraham I agree! vs.11 "The just shall live by faith (Gospel)". | ||||||
30 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51387 | ||
Just as the Lord spoke to him on the road to Damascus, the Lord told him what to DO! (Mark 16:16 is what the Lord told the apostles to tell us). Here's a thief question, why didn't the Lord save Saul right there? Why did he send him to Ananias? Why did Ananias tell Saul get up and be baptized and wash away his sins? I know you're going to say he was already (saved) but a saved person doesn't need to be baptized and wash away his sins, as did Saul. I'm glad we stop by this scripture! Here we have the Lord himself telling Saul to go hear the gospel and believe it and be baptized and wash away his sins through Ananias! This something that can't be denied, this takes care of the thief question and all other question concerning salvation. This is the Risen Christ telling someone what they MUST DO to be saved! We know Jesus could have saved Saul right there, but He sent him to Ananias a servant of his to tell Saul what he MUST DO to be SAVED! Now if Jesus told Ananias what to tell Saul, and He did! Who on this forum can say that baptism is not in God's salvation plan? Or did Ananias say anything about baptism? And if he did, what did he say, and who told him to say whatever he said? And Why? | ||||||
31 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51394 | ||
I posted it that way, it was from the christiancourier.com on Cornelius. | ||||||
32 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51481 | ||
B. OBSERVATIONS REGARDING THE RESPONSE... 1. People responded in three different ways - Ac 17:32-34 a. Some mocked what they heard b. Some put off making a decision until later c. Some decided to follow with Paul and believed -- Since we have no promise of tomorrow, the only safe course is the last! 2. Of those who responded favorably, it is only said that they "believed" - Ac 17:34 a. Are we to conclude from this that was all they did? b. Did they not also "repent", as commanded in Ac 17:30? c. The term "believed" encompassed more than simply an acceptance of the facts that had been proclaimed 1) It involved a complete reception of the message preached 2) It included an obedience to whatever conditions had been proclaimed by the apostles (such as repentance, baptism) d. Just as faith was not explicitly mentioned in Acts 2, or repentance in Acts 16, but is fairly inferred from what we know from other passages, so also with baptism here 1) "There is, indeed, much to be said for the contention, independently advocated by theologians of varied schools, that in the New Testament faith and baptism are viewed as inseparables whenever the subject of Christian initiation is under discussion, so that if one is referred to, the other is presupposed, even if not mentioned." - G. R. Beasley-Murray, Baptism In The New Testament, p. 272 2) "Baptism and faith are but the outside and inside of the same thing" - James Denny (as quoted by Beasley-Murray, ibid.) 3) "Where baptism is spoken of faith is presumed, and where faith is spoken of baptism is included in the thought" - N. J. Engelsen (as quoted by Beasley-Murray, ibid.) CONCLUSION 1. Whether Jew or Gentile, philosopher or simpleton, the gospel of Christ is for all... a. Where we begin may vary with the spiritual condition of our audience b. Where we end must always be the same: 1) Proclaiming the reality of sin, judgment, and the need for repentance 2) With Jesus as the only way to salvation! 2. When one becomes convicted of their sinful condition and their need for Jesus, the proper response should also be the same no matter who we are... a. Faith in Jesus as the Son of God, who died for our sins and was raised from the dead, whom we are willing to confess before men b. Repentance from sin d. Baptism into Christ for the forgiveness of sins through His blood One's reaction to the gospel will always be one of three ways: * Rejection ("some mocked") * Reluctance ("others said, we will hear you again on this matter") * Reception ("some men joined him and believed") In Athens, people such as Dionysius and Damaris exemplified the proper response; are you willing to imitate their example? |
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33 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51509 | ||
I have a problem with what you teach because you ignore plain bible teaching, James 2:22 says Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and (by works was faith made perfect)? vs. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is (JUSTIFIED), AND (NOT BY FAITH ONLY). So what you are telling me is to ignore what the bible is teaching, but I can't do that. So where do I get my understanding? From the word of God. You state that if we include baptism in water with God's plan of salvation we are wrong in doing so, But if God included baptism in water with HIS plan of salvation is HE wrong in doing so? Baptism in water came from God and not us who teach it. Matt.21:25 can you answer Jesus's question? |
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34 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51516 | ||
It doesn't contradict Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38;8:38-39. When you read Gal,Eph and other text you are missing the fact the people being spoken to had already been baptized in water and they knew the reason why. Follow Paul's missionary journey in the book of Acts and you will see this to be true. | ||||||
35 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51525 | ||
Roman 4 does not contradict the need for baptism because Paul in the 6 chapter explains how we are buried by baptism into the death of Christ! Eph 2:8-9 does not contradict because in chapter 5:26 tells us we are cleanse with the washing of water by the word. Galatians does not contradict because in chapter 3:27 tells us we are baptized into Christ and have put on Christ. I know you refer to these passages as Holy Spirit baptism, but that's not what Paul is saying. I don't know if you notice that all of the places you were seeking justification by only, water baptism is there with faith. Finally, in each book that you referenced, who was the book written to, those who have already been baptized for the remission of thier sins. |
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36 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51527 | ||
Roman 4 does not contradict the need for baptism because Paul in the 6 chapter explains how we are buried by baptism into the death of Christ! Eph 2:8-9 does not contradict because in chapter 5:26 tells us we are cleanse with the washing of water by the word. Galatians does not contradict because in chapter 3:27 tells us we are baptized into Christ and have put on Christ. I know you refer to these passages as Holy Spirit baptism, but that's not what Paul is saying. I don't know if you notice that all of the places you were seeking justification by faith only, water baptism is there with faith. Finally, in each book that you referenced, who was the book written to, those who have already been baptized for the remission of thier sins. |
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37 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51807 | ||
"I don't put baptism in the category of what Jesus tells us to do in order to be saved. I know: Mark 16:16. Please cite for me ANY other verse where Jesus links baptism and salvation. As has been clearly pointed out, that section of Mark may not be the divinely-inspired writing of Mark. You believing it was definitely in the autographs is a an article of faith on your part and not an extablished fact". This is my whole point to you. You want someone to produce another, verse in the bible, but you know you would have to add to God's word to do it. But yet you wish to take Mark 16:16 out of all bibles and trying to say it's not inspired. I believe you and your friends want to take this verse out because it doesn't support your view of salvation. As I told Hank, Mark 16:16 is here to stay. You mentioned John 6:53, the people's reply to it, was, "this is a hard saying who can hear it" Mark 16:16 is viewed the same way today, by those who want to throw it out, instead of obeying what it says! "The water in baptism is a sign of washing away sins, just like the bread and the cup are the sign of Christ's body being offered for His people. The sign of baptism accompanies the reality of regeneration, but it is not the same thing as regeneration" Your above statement says baptism is a sign, baptism takes faith just like all spoken words from God's book, you have to believe in the power of what God said it for. Your last statement to mouse2, "that statement makes no sense" it made sense to Abraham! |
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38 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51823 | ||
"Q: If someone repents, and accepts Jesus as his Saviour on their deathbed, without the chance to be baptized, are they saved? A: Yes(Matt 20:16 "So the last shall be first, and the first last." (NASB)) You used (Matt 20:16) but you neglected verse 1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to (hire LABOURERS) INTO HIS VINEYARD. To do what? Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, and he that believeth not shall be condenmed. Yes Jesus completed his work on earth, now it's our turn. Remember the new covenant started when Jesus went back to heaven, after sending the 11 to Jerusalem, to wait for the coming of the Holy Spirit. |
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39 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51824 | ||
Did Hank also tell you that parts of Revelations are missing and parts of Timothy are missing from these manuscripts! Does that make the ones that do have it, invalid? | ||||||
40 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51828 | ||
I will gather the information,and share it you soon. | ||||||
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